Monitor enclosure discussion thread

[varanus_mad]

Personally i aint right fussed where it came from...

All i know is its something i feel monitors regardlessof sp should have access to it...

[crocdoc]

Originally Posted by varanus_mad

Personally i aint right fussed where it came from...

All i know is its something i feel monitors regardlessof sp should have access to it...

That's fair enough. Personally, I am fussed about where it came from because I'm tired of 'certain people' making grandiose claims about what they've seen in the wild, when 99% of the time it's BS based on what they've seen in captivity. Call a spade a spade, I say. If a technique was developed because it works in captivity, then describe it as such rather than make s___ up about what monitors do in the wild. I take that stance because, in addition to keeping monitors at home, I spend time watching monitors in the wild (and know other zoologists who do so professionally), so I'd rather not see BS passed on as truth.

[varanus_mad]

Originally Posted by crocdoc

That's fair enough. Personally, I am fussed about where it came from because I'm tired of 'certain people' making grandiose claims about what they've seen in the wild, when 99% of the time it's BS based on what they've seen in captivity. Call a spade a spade, I say. If a technique was developed because it works in captivity, then describe it as such rather than make s___ up about what monitors do in the wild. I take that stance because, in addition to keeping monitors at home, I spend time watching monitors in the wild (and know other zoologists who do so professionally), so I'd rather not see BS passed on as truth.

Suppose it does belittle the efforts of those who gone an done it...

And can provide proof to that effect...

[infernalis]

Originally Posted by crocdoc

I'd rather not see BS passed on as truth.

I feel the exact same way, propagation of uncertain information & made up nonsense (not just from one source) has cost the lives of many animals.

[varanus_mad]

The fact of the matter is... This part of monitor husbandry didnt soley come from captivr and wild observations but a combo of the two

From multiple sources to boot...

No one person can lay claim to it...

Hence my apathy over who said what...

Im also a big big fan pf using multiple sources...

In the same way no one person has developed the husbandry we have today...

Anywho... Arent these debates fun

on another note im going to go meet some komodod at the end of the month...

[mo9e64]

I wish i had not implied unintentionally that burrowing was the only unobserved monitor behaviour.If people disagree that deep substrate was not a good margin for error tool for new keepers i wish that people would argue that point instead of using it as an excuse to bash.I found deep substrate useful in my experience.I will use any sucessful method that helps my monitors dispite my feelings of the advice giver.

[bushsnake]

Originally Posted by infernalis

I feel the exact same way, propagation of uncertain information & made up nonsense (not just from one source) has cost the lives of many animals.

People do not do their homework anymore, its pathetic. In the late 90's i bred this frog species that was very difficult to breed and very few people had success. I did my homework and nailed it...produced about 500 in 6 months, thats probably still the most anyone has produced. Great information IS OUT THERE.