Feelin' hot, Hot, HOT! Oh yeah!

[Will0W783]

Yeh, but the way i look at it is, most of the crotalus will just ride the hook, when peaved they will ride the hook and rattle, rarely striking but even then... just stay out of range.Most of the elapids will slither right up the hook, and the cobras will not only climb the hook, but do it shockingly fast. The likelyhood of getting hit by a cobra is way higher then a rattler.

I agree with you, Stephan. I think my fiance is at ease around Shelby because of his apparent good nature. However, he IS a Naja and unpredictable. He flails around like a nut on the hook, and has tried to double-back to climb it several times. He's only about a foot and a half long right now, but he'll get bigger. Also, the cobras I worked with at my mentor's facility all tried to climb the hook- they are very fast and while they generally do not double back with the intent to bite, they could and you have to be constantly on your toes to keep the head down at the end of the hook. I do not let my fiance handle the cobra AT ALL. He refused training and seems to think he won't get bitten. Therefore, he does not get to work with the cobra.

The rattlesnake will strike at the hook and tongs repeatedly when you are trying to catch her, but once she is on the hook or tongs, she mostly just rattles and flails a bit. She does strike the tongs sometimes as she is being moved, which is why I think my fiance is nervous around her. She is a WDB, and they are known for being particularly nasty. It was not my intention to get a rattlesnake right now, let alone a WDB as my first, but after I saw the condition she was in, I could not bear to let my cousin take her back home. He brought her and several others to Hamburg to try to trade or sell.

[stephanbakir]

Originally Posted by Will0W783

I agree with you, Stephan. I think my fiance is at ease around Shelby because of his apparent good nature. However, he IS a Naja and unpredictable. He flails around like a nut on the hook, and has tried to double-back to climb it several times. He's only about a foot and a half long right now, but he'll get bigger. Also, the cobras I worked with at my mentor's facility all tried to climb the hook- they are very fast and while they generally do not double back with the intent to bite, they could and you have to be constantly on your toes to keep the head down at the end of the hook. I do not let my fiance handle the cobra AT ALL. He refused training and seems to think he won't get bitten. Therefore, he does not get to work with the cobra.

The rattlesnake will strike at the hook and tongs repeatedly when you are trying to catch her, but once she is on the hook or tongs, she mostly just rattles and flails a bit. She does strike the tongs sometimes as she is being moved, which is why I think my fiance is nervous around her. She is a WDB, and they are known for being particularly nasty. It was not my intention to get a rattlesnake right now, let alone a WDB as my first, but after I saw the condition she was in, I could not bear to let my cousin take her back home. He brought her and several others to Hamburg to try to trade or sell.

No offense but he needs a huge reality check. Thinking the way he does WILL get him either maimed or killed. Hes lucky as hell that shelby is placid. If I dropped a lid in Lucifer's enclosure (one of our king cobras a few years back) he would have shot out like a bat out of hell and retaliated. Same goes for most cobras i've worked with.
It was an accident and accidents happen, but your mindset going into the incident greatly affects the outcome and weather you will walk out of the situation.

[ugo]

Mr WilloW783 :

CONGRATS either for the snakes and for Ur responsible and wise way to see the matter !

As i'll, possibly, say in another post, snakes aren't for everyone, and venomous even less.
I recognize only less than 40 1st class venomous keepers/ breeders on Earth (i m not amongst those).
Anyway, as for motorcycling, or paragliding, or many others activities, we all know things happen, sooner or later; no matter how much skilled or experienced one can be, only some of us (and i hope U r not in this group) don't mind, above all cuz we don't like to become so old to need hospitals, needles, chateters, and similar stuff; and...sexy nurses are becoming so rare......
I suppose U keep pairs of Ur snakes.
cheers

[stephanbakir]

Originally Posted by ugo

Mr WilloW783 :

CONGRATS either for the snakes and for Ur responsible and wise way to see the matter !

As i'll, possibly, say in another post, snakes aren't for everyone, and venomous even less.
I recognize only less than 40 1st class venomous keepers/ breeders on Earth (i m not amongst those).
Anyway, as for motorcycling, or paragliding, or many others activities, we all know things happen, sooner or later; no matter how much skilled or experienced one can be, only some of us (and i hope U r not in this group) don't mind, above all cuz we don't like to become so old to need hospitals, needles, chateters, and similar stuff; and...sexy nurses are becoming so rare......
I suppose U keep pairs of Ur snakes.
cheers

Willow is a she :P and I don't believe she has any shortterm breeding plans for those hots, as she doesn't own pairs.

[ugo]

Dear MISS Will0W,

i apologize so much for my bad gender mistaking !!!!!!, but glad that 1 more Girl is in the venomous.

May i be honest?

I don't understand people keeping whatever animals for...nothing. It's unnatural for the kept, and 'suspect' for the Keeper.

a last thing towards all the Members posting replies to Ur nice post :

i know none of U, and surely i'll be wrong; please don't turn too much bad with me (but i m unable to lie, and i wish to know none of U in danger) but for what i read NONE of U had to keep venomous, none i saw having a right back.ground either of knowledge and experience, and,sincerely, none of U showed the typical symptoms of a true venomous keeper, only curiosity and a kind of 'challenge'.
In my opinion there are so many non venomous snakes more worthy to be kept and bred.
I was honest and my intention wasn't to be umpolite or offend anyone, but only to help avoiding possible future troubles:too many accidents and losses last 2 years amongst Friends either paragliders and venomous keepers , and every times ,besides the pain, that bad, guilty, feeling
"why not me?"
Now, feel free to shoot to me!
cheers

[alessia55]

Originally Posted by ugo

May i be honest?

I don't understand people keeping whatever animals for...nothing. It's unnatural for the kept, and 'suspect' for the Keeper.

I have 2 male ball pythons, and as of right now, I don't plan to ever find mates for them to breed them. I keep them as my pets, I enjoy taking care of them, and I enjoy their company. I know this mentality does not apply for keeping venomous snakes, but I wanted to maybe give you a little insight into why someone might keep a snake with no intentions to ever breed.

[stephanbakir]

Originally Posted by ugo

Dear MISS Will0W,

i apologize so much for my bad gender mistaking !!!!!!, but glad that 1 more Girl is in the venomous.

May i be honest?

I don't understand people keeping whatever animals for...nothing. It's unnatural for the kept, and 'suspect' for the Keeper.

a last thing towards all the Members posting replies to Ur nice post :

i know none of U, and surely i'll be wrong; please don't turn too much bad with me (but i m unable to lie, and i wish to know none of U in danger) but for what i read NONE of U had to keep venomous, none i saw having a right back.ground either of knowledge and experience, and,sincerely, none of U showed the typical symptoms of a true venomous keeper, only curiosity and a kind of 'challenge'.
In my opinion there are so many non venomous snakes more worthy to be kept and bred.
I was honest and my intention wasn't to be umpolite or offend anyone, but only to help avoiding possible future troubles:too many accidents and losses last 2 years amongst Friends either paragliders and venomous keepers , and every times ,besides the pain, that bad, guilty, feeling
"why not me?"
Now, feel free to shoot to me!
cheers

Only a handful of people no this forum keep, or have kept hots.
Willow (kim) took ages to learn as much as she could about each and every one of her animals before acquiring it. She has a snakeproof room, locked enclosures, she follows husbandry to a tee. While there are a few people on this forum who improperly house/keep their hots, every time we see the errors we call them on it.

I myself have kept hots, I've only bred a few, and for the most part I kept them for educational purposes.
They are not a pet for everyone, and there are not a pet MOST people should own, even when following husbandry perfectly its still possible to get tagged.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by stephanbakir

Only a handful of people no this forum keep, or have kept hots.
Willow (kim) took ages to learn as much as she could about each and every one of her animals before acquiring it. She has a snakeproof room, locked enclosures, she follows husbandry to a tee. While there are a few people on this forum who improperly house/keep their hots, every time we see the errors we call them on it.

I myself have kept hots, I've only bred a few, and for the most part I kept them for educational purposes.
They are not a pet for everyone, and there are not a pet MOST people should own, even when following husbandry perfectly its still possible to get tagged.

willow also has a mentor

cheers shaun

[jarich]

Originally Posted by ugo

i know none of U, and surely i'll be wrong; please don't turn too much bad with me (but i m unable to lie, and i wish to know none of U in danger) but for what i read NONE of U had to keep venomous, none i saw having a right back.ground either of knowledge and experience, and,sincerely, none of U showed the typical symptoms of a true venomous keeper, only curiosity and a kind of 'challenge'.
In my opinion there are so many non venomous snakes more worthy to be kept and ...

Im just curious as to what you think are the typical symptoms of a true venomous keeper, Ugo?

[ugo]

Everyone of U was right and wise . And surely i won't argue with anyone.
Pls forgive me if i hurted and forget what i wrote : everyone has Her/His own way.

Love & passion came first, I see respect and the weight of a known risk, but not fear at all amongst the ven. keepers . and i cannot plan to have under control snakes, vivs, tongs etc, etc, i have to deal with them as with all the other snakes.

other pets : i had dogs too (Dobermann and Komondor) but never i sentenced them to a life of castity. And this more true with so delicate , and now rare, venomous species: how could U know U r keeping them well, if U don't know if U match all their requirements, and U r not only making them 'surviving'? Mating is the trigger. Ok, -sorry for the 'mental challenge'- but,please try to turn Urself into castity for an year, and let me know if it is 'normal'.

the Friend's pics i m trying to add here aren't showing a 'bullish' way, only an ordinary confidence evryone has to have (U need that in the ordinary daily work and it could be mandatory in an emergence accadiment).
I apologize again with everyone felt offended from my thoughts.
cheers,
ugo
ps, hope the last 1 will transmitt U the joy of the success in breeding a so particular Species (Parias flavimaculatus)