How to sex

[Reptile_Reptile]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You got a snake yesterday and tried to breed them today? I'm just going to stop posting at this point. Clearly you're in over your head. I don't know where to start.

he said earlier dude that he wasnt trying to breed them, your tunnel visioning on what you want to complain about, read slowly and dont just assume things

[Reptile_Reptile]

Originally Posted by Dumeril daddy

thank you i will try that after i seperate them.......... looks like something is goin on the have there tails together

see..............

[Reptile_Reptile]

Originally Posted by Dumeril daddy

i didnt plan on breedingbut i found out not many people have them and so ya just started investigating

here is another example (sorry i dont know how to multi quote so you all get 3 messages)

[totheend]

Dums are not rare.......

And really why would you put an animal you just got with another animal? That could be dangerous....

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Reptile_Reptile

he said earlier dude that he wasnt trying to breed them, your tunnel visioning on what you want to complain about, read slowly and dont just assume things

So do you normally just like picking out what people say just to prove your own point? Did you not read the post that he stated he'd just put them together to see how it goes? It's obvious that he attempted to breed them. He keeps them in separated tanks and yet they ended up together just for "investigating breeding". I don't have tunnel vision. You somehow think it's wrong of me to be upset with the lack of quarantine practices, lack of care and seemingly lack of research here.

[Reptile_Reptile]

he just said he was investigating dude i thought you were being a little to harsh, ive got respect for you but your a little hard on some people. you know if you come off a little less heavy people tend to listen better.

[presspirate]

Have to agree with AAron here......quarantine is a must when getting a new snake. If all the research had been done, the poster would have known that and not attempted putting 2 snakes together without proper quarantine. It is potentially harmful to do so. I'm not trying to bag on anyone and take sides, but I do feel that responsible ownership means doing your research BEFORE putting two snakes together. IMO The best thing to do here is to separate them now and hope for the best. Research in case you do end up with a gravid female and have the number of a reptile vet handy in case one or both of them end up sick.

[Reptile_Reptile]

I was merely saying to cool down there is no f*cking need to get angry right away ok i was trying to calm him down and aaron you actually are wrong to get mad at someone else's practices especially if you dont know if they knew the knowledge you were getting angry at him for neglecting anyways either way i felt you were in the wrong and you at times are a negative light on this forum. Ease up and get facts before your rage ok you make it less fun to be on this forum when you be a jerk you are a use full asset to all of us snake owners but you are self righteous and over zealous at times

[Damion930]

its better to educate than agitate...but on the other hand do your homwrk my friend u have some learning to as do we all I hope but u should keep them separate for Ther health quarantine any new snake for example to insure health sorry your post was turned into a rant I hope u won't be put off from asking questions and learning more about the animals u keep

[Dumeril daddy]

No i wont be put off the axtual breeding size is 3 feet or better ..... Of all the reading i have sone i never came across anything about quarentine period ,..... That guy that wants to rant n rave seeems to think everyone ahould know AS MUCH As Him and anyone with a bit of ignorance should not be alive Cant fault a mister know it all just pray that one day they will see life is better with sugar then salt

[Dumeril daddy]

Ive only seen 3 dummies up for grabs in cali .... There not dime a dozen where i live ..... Would love to be provin wrong though so i can start a dum club

[Jenn_06]

quarentine is a must with snakes, you dont know the full background of the snake you just got, you dont now if its sick or has mites and will get your other snake(s) sick. Everytime i get a new snake i quarentine them in a different room for 3 to 6 months.

and you guys need to cool down i see this on too many forums, fighting is not going to help anyone, if you dont have anything nice to say or cant give info in a nice way dont post.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

So do you normally just like picking out what people say just to prove your own point? Did you not read the post that he stated he'd just put them together to see how it goes? It's obvious that he attempted to breed them. He keeps them in separated tanks and yet they ended up together just for "investigating breeding". I don't have tunnel vision. You somehow think it's wrong of me to be upset with the lack of quarantine practices, lack of care and seemingly lack of research here.

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arron has every right to say the above

i saw the same thing as arron did when i read this guys thread

lack of quarintine,lack of research,lack of care

you dont throw 2 snakes together to investigate what would happen when you dont have the knowledge to know whats best for the snake

the above is not an assumption on my part,its what i see in the op's posts

he shows little or no knowledge of breeding but decides to give it a go just to see what happens

if he happens to get a female of this age and size gravid the female stands a good chance of ending up dead

at the very least she will have wrecked her chances of ever producing a viable clutch in the future

imo it is you reptile reptile who have tunnel vision in this case

you seem fixated on pulling arron up

ive had heated debates with arron myself

but i also understand his passion

he can be agressive in his posts but as you get to know him you realise it stems from his passion to see all snakes kept properly

reptile reptile you chose to pick only parts of arrons post that would help proove your point

you used them out of context to proove what you were saying when in fact if you read the whole post arron makes perfect sense

[Marica]

As for the original question of how to sex your snakes, I would recommend taking them to a reputable herp vet or breeder to have them probed as they appear to be too old to be popped. Popping and probing are useful skills for a breeder to learn so that they can sell their offspring sexed correctly. There are also some visual indicators that are unreliable such as the size or visibility of spurs, the length/shape of the tail, etc. Also, I've heard of males attempting to dominate each other, so them entwining may not necessarily confirm opposing sexes.

Any and all new reptiles should be placed in quarantine for at least 3 months if not more prior to being introduced in to the same room where another reptile is housed. I believe viruses such as Crypto and Paramyxo are slower to affect and show symptoms in boas compared to pythons, so a quarantine period of up to 6 months is often recommended. Making sure you have healthy animals and that they are being giving the correct care should be confirmed prior to even considering breeding.

With regards to breeding, boatloads of research should be done prior to attempting a pairing. Just because there aren't many Dumeril's available in your area does not mean that there aren't breeders out their working with them. They are a protected species and exporting them from their natural habitat is illegal and transporting them between other countries very difficult, so the ones in captivity are pretty much all we have to work with. Care should be taken to breed healthy, unrelated specimens (though inbreeding does not always lead to immediate complications in reptiles and has helped with providing new morphs, it is best to be avoided if possible). There are many complications that can occur during breeding and having available vet care and/or the knowledge/experience to deal with any issues that arise can mean life or death for your snakes. Since [most] boas are livebearers, with a Dumeril's you will be looking at taking care of a gravid female for about 8 months. This can be quite strenuous on their bodies and therefore they need to be of adequate size (neither over or underweight) prior to breeding to ensure minimal risk of complications. From my research Dumeril's are slower to sexually mature than other comparable boas, and often require an additional year to reach breeding size. Size and overall health are primary factors as opposed to age when it comes to determining breeding maturity. There is also the issue of being prepared to care for the young, housing however many you end up with, dealing with non-feeders, finding good homes for them and caring for ones that may not sell.

There's a wealth of information out there, though some is incorrect, the more research you do and communication you have with other experienced breeders/keepers the better chance your snakes have of successfully breeding and leading healthy lives. If you ever get an aggressive response it is most likely because you have said or done something to upset someone who is extremely passionate about responsible care. There are too many animals out there not receiving adequate care to the point of neglect and/or abuse. So it is best to consider their advice whether you like the tone or not, which in this medium of text is quite often open to interpretation.

[Aaron_S]

I had responded that I was done with this thread and I made one last defensive post. I didn't want to post again but a few people came here on my behalf so I felt I should thank them.

So thank you to the ones who responded. You know who you are.

I won't respond to anything else in this thread. I'll leave this with a simple saying everyone should know, the truth hurts.