C oreganus necropsy

[RandyRhoads]

Originally Posted by Will0W783

Wow, great job Randy! That was very thorough and most of the tissues look quite clean. I agree that the stomach contents look like a parasitic infection to me. If a large quantity of sand were ingested, you would see clumping of it all through the intestines. If you have access to a microscope, you can look at the stomach contents under it to see if it is sand or worms. But from the rather sesame-seed shape of the contents, I think it's some kind of parasite...that could have killed the snake.

With the information you have from the necropsy, I think you're best to go ahead and treat the remaining snakes with Panacur.
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Thank you I had my microscope ready to go then realized I have no slides. I took a bunch of pictures and dumped the rest, if they were tapeworm eggs I didn't want them to dry and release into the air. I have my Panacur all ready to go. I remember Wayne saying something about putting meds on food. Can I do this with Panacur or do I need to tube it and give it orally?

Also upon closer examination in one of the pics I found this. Possible hook worm?

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

^^^^^
and his fire dancing

cheers shaun

Made this special just for you Shaun haha. Some old stuff with the boring parts taken out, and a few new things. I wanted to put that song you showed me but I couldn't remember who it was by??




Fire comp - YouTube

Originally Posted by rmfsnakes32

That was very informative I have never watched a necropsey before

Like I said, I only prentended to what i'm doing. This by no means a good one.

[Will0W783]

Icky, that's a nasty looking stomach. It could be a hookworm, but those are usually white. It could also be a whipworm or roundworm...hard to tell from the picture since you can't see the whole worm.
Roundworms can be very long and spaghetti-like. Whipworms are thick at the head and then thin out until they are almost like a hair by the tail (like a whip). They are some of the nastiest and hardest to get rid of.

You definitely did a good job and that blown-up picture answers the question- those aren't sand particles. They are worm eggs and probably bits of damaged stomach tissue. If you opened all the way down into the intestines I bet you'd have seen a LOT more adult worms. The stomach acid is a harsh environment for them so they tend to hang out in the intestines where they can leech nutrients out of the digested food.

The Panacur can be injected right into the frozen/thawed food. I find it easiest to use a 1mL syringe and remove the needle, then squirt the Panacur right into the prey's throat, but with dilution it can also be injected into the prey's muscle using a needle. It's quite convenient. The only time you can't use food is if the snake is not voluntarily feeding, like in the case of my bush vipers. Neither one will take food now, so medicine has to be administered via cannula (VERY dangerous and scary...there is no antivenin for Atheris and they can pack a punch). C. oreganus aren't a joke either...lots of necrosis...but Cro-Fab is effective.

[Robyn@SYR]

Pretty dang interesting. Thanks.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by RandyRhoads

Thank youI had my microscope ready to go then realized I have no slides. I took a bunch of pictures and dumped the rest, if they were tapeworm eggs I didn't want them to dry and release into the air. I have my Panacur all ready to go. I remember Wayne saying something about putting meds on food. Can I do this with Panacur or do I need to tube it and give it orally?

Also upon closer examination in one of the pics I found this. Possible hook worm?







Made this special just for you Shaun haha. Some old stuff with the boring parts taken out, and a few new things. I wanted to put that song you showed me but I couldn't remember who it was by??




Fire comp - YouTube






Like I said, I only prentended to what i'm doing. This by no means a good one.

pretty amazing stuff that necropsy you did mate,establishing their were hook worm present,imo that was good work Randy

re fire dancing
your getting GOOD mate

the song i suggested was

a group called.....

The Prodigy

the song was called.....

Fire Starter

imo you will LOVE the song,see if you can find the video filmed for it,surely it must be on the internet somewhere ?

you could do some FUNKY dancing to this song

cheers shaun

[jaleely]

dang man. now i'm freaked out that i need to treat my snakes for parasites lol
never know what's growing in there, especially since half mine are rescues.
It's weird, overall the snake looked healthy except for...the stuff that was wrong with it lol

[Jay]

Originally Posted by jaleely

dang man. now i'm freaked out that i need to treat my snakes for parasites lol
never know what's growing in there, especially since half mine are rescues.

Quarantine!!

It's weird, overall the snake looked healthy except for...the stuff that was wrong with it lol

That made my day.

[jaleely]

yes jay =P quarantine! but i still worry. I've had all of the rescues for over a year, or up to a year now. They were quarantined for about 5-6 months. I still worry though. I mean what if they have something i just didn't notice, or i dunno.

And yeah! well it's true about the healthy part...except for the part that wasn't LOL

[Will0W783]

Parasites are generally a wild-caught snake issue. They are very rare in CBB snakes- they are only transmitted via contact with feces from an infested snake. Snakes that are housed together, kept in filthy cages or fed unclean prey items can get them though. That is why clean feeders are very important, as is good cage husbandry.

I think if you are concerned, you should have fecal tests run before just medicating the snakes. In general, Panacur is very safe (for everything other than pit vipers), but medicating if it isn't necessary isn't the best idea. Snakes can build up resistance to medications just like people, so I only medicate in cases where parasites are confirmed, or I have an obviously sick animal.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by Will0W783

Icky, that's a nasty looking stomach. It could be a hookworm, but those are usually white. It could also be a whipworm or roundworm...hard to tell from the picture since you can't see the whole worm.
Roundworms can be very long and spaghetti-like. Whipworms are thick at the head and then thin out until they are almost like a hair by the tail (like a whip). They are some of the nastiest and hardest to get rid of.

You definitely did a good job and that blown-up picture answers the question- those aren't sand particles. They are worm eggs and probably bits of damaged stomach tissue. If you opened all the way down into the intestines I bet you'd have seen a LOT more adult worms. The stomach acid is a harsh environment for them so they tend to hang out in the intestines where they can leech nutrients out of the digested food.

The Panacur can be injected right into the frozen/thawed food. I find it easiest to use a 1mL syringe and remove the needle, then squirt the Panacur right into the prey's throat, but with dilution it can also be injected into the prey's muscle using a needle. It's quite convenient. The only time you can't use food is if the snake is not voluntarily feeding, like in the case of my bush vipers. Neither one will take food now, so medicine has to be administered via cannula (VERY dangerous and scary...there is no antivenin for Atheris and they can pack a punch). C. oreganus aren't a joke either...lots of necrosis...but Cro-Fab is effective.

great post Kimberly

very informative,as always

cheers shaun

[millertime89]

Good work on the necropsy. Those lesions definitely look like tumors I've seen in other snakes. The parasites aren't completely surprising since this was a w/c animal correct?