Newbie with Brown Tree Climbers/Mop Head Iquana - Page 3

**Aaron_S** · 06-10-09, 04:49 PM

Why do people buy animals and THEN figure out their housing? If you can only house one then why not buy just one?

Reptiles aren't like other animals. When they are housed together they don't always fight and make noise when one is stressing out the other. It's silent and subtle signs that you must see.

citysnakes · 06-10-09, 07:22 PM

or even signs that may not be seen.

in the spirit of keeping an open mind: you may catch something in time but you also may not. then what?

im not sure how experienced you are with keeping reptiles but considering your experience level and that you have no previous experience with this specific species, it may be a good a idea to keep it simple and house them seperately for a while.

anyways its just an opinion.

good luck.

tallen · 06-10-09, 07:32 PM

I am pretty experienced. I entered this forum thinking we would be on the cutting edge of a new type species. There is no info on these guys. Insead of beating people up, consider the other. I purchased these guys with a care sheet and information that was not exactly accurate. Because this species is unknown. There is nothing out there. As much as you are bashing me, consider that I am really interested in keeping them. Imagine some person that just gets them and does no research. Yeah, I got stuck with guys that were misidentified and given misinformation. But I STOOD UP! I want to do what is best. Stop beating me up. Let's work together to find out as much as we can about these guys and educate the community. I joined this community thinking I would get support.

citysnakes · 06-10-09, 09:43 PM

you are getting support in the form of advice that many posters have already offered. what more do you need? just because people have opinions other than yours and offer it to you as advice doesnt mean they are "bashing" you.

the best advice so far is to house them seperately. your experience tells you that they will be fine together whereas others are telling you not to risk it. there must be reasons why. no? personally if i were in your situation with a species that i have no experience with and a lack of available, detailed if any information on them, i would seriously consider housing them in seperate enclosures until i was educated and experienced enough to practice a slightly more advanced husbandry technique with this unfamiliar species by housing them together.

again, thats just my opinon.

**Aaron_S** · 06-10-09, 09:44 PM

We are giving support, support to fair treatment of the animals.

Personally, if you're really set on trying to keep them how about you seperate them until they are acclimated? Make sure they are both healthy and thriving before placing them together.

If you're so set on being a 'break through' hobbiest then maybe you should look up their place of origin in this world. Find out what their natural habitat actually consists of instead of just "winging" it.

tallen · 06-11-09, 07:47 AM

I have looked up their natural habitat and am following it. I'll let you all know how they are working out. Until then, thanks for the advise, and good luck to all of you.

**Aaron_S** · 06-12-09, 02:38 PM

So the tank set up you posted a picture of is how their natural habitat looks? A couple branches and flat land?

tallen · 06-13-09, 08:17 PM

Humidity, temp. lighting, diet. New enclosure next week. As I have said in previous posts. They are eating well, and acting well. Since everyone freely admits not knowing much about this breed, I wonder why you are all so sure that what I am doing is wrong? I have contacted several specialists, and have found a care sheet, finally. No where does it say they can not be housed together. Remember, these are not green iggys. Their temp and moisture are the same, but diet and eveything else is somewhat different. Let's not write posts intended to put down other members. It is not very nice. And I have been very nice to all of you.

Kmef07 · 06-14-09, 10:14 AM

Ok we are not putting you down at all please don't feel that way. it is really hard to figure out how someone means something over a text based convo. The point we are trying to make is instead of starting housing them together where there is a potential for something to go wrong, house them seperate until you find if they can be housed together to not.

simple when you are working with something you don't know much about you start with baby steps. Most every reptile would prefer to be alone. so that is just where we are suggesting you start.

Housed seperate=no potential problems
Housed together=might be potential problems and might not be problems.

why take the risk until you know 100%?

Also good job doing the research you have done so far and by doing all you can from what i can see.

Lastly, If it is a problem that you can't afford right now to house them seperate then lesson learned is don't committ to what you can't afford at the time.. but that is over and now we must deal with what is going on in the present. Continue to watch them now, and then when you can seperate them until you find a REALIABLE source that states you can house them together. I say RELIABLE because there are ball python care sheets that say you can house them together, but it really isn't a good idea. they leave the "isn't a good idea part out". Good luck hope all is going well.

**Aaron_S** · 06-14-09, 07:10 PM

First of all we aren't just comparing these lizards to green iguanas. We're saying the rule of thumb for ALL reptiles is individual housing. That's a blanket statement for ALL species.

Secondly, because you really wanted to house two together you took the risk that one might carry internal parasites and exposed it to your other one. One of the biggest purposes of housing individually is for medical quarantine. YOU on the other hand are so bent on them co-habitating that you refuse to see these views. It's about the ANIMALS not YOU and what YOU want. HEALTHY ANIMALS FIRST!

tallen · 06-15-09, 02:25 PM

Hi Kmef07. Thanks for the e-mail. When I got them, they were housed together, and I was told this was fine. Hence, no need for a second enclosure. I can afford it, just would rather not lay out the dough if I don't have too. They are doing awesome, by the way. Moving them this week. I told them this morning they were moving in to a high rise. No response. I am sure they are just thinking about it. Ha Hah.

tallen · 06-15-09, 02:28 PM

Aaron, Please do not reply to my thread anymore. I tried to hold a nice conversation with you, but apparently you have some issues that I don't care to deal with. Take care, take a break, take Prozac.

PS: As for parasites, they had already been housed together.

PSS: Take care. Really.

**Aaron_S** · 06-15-09, 07:53 PM

I don't care to respond to your thread any longer as it is. No need for telling me I need prozac. You disregard advice when asked for it because it's not what you want to hear.

siz · 06-15-09, 08:36 PM

The only reason I am posting again is to point out that you have now lost two people (including myself) who were willing to give you good advice. Please consider re reading this thread and following what you have been advised. Good bye.

tallen · 06-15-09, 08:49 PM

Hi Jess. I took a lot of your advise. But Aaron wrote in all caps, which is indicitative of yelling. My Mops are great. So if you want to back off, it is fine. This is a perfect opportunity for all of us to study a not-known breed. You can participate or not. Either way, I am doing what I think is best. I hope you will join me in this journey of discovery. I have great instincts.