Herping vs Theology - Page 2

Nanashi04 · 02-19-03, 09:48 AM

am not a christian, at all... but that doesn't mean I'm going to put down anyone's beliefs. I hope you and you parents can come to some sort of agreement. There is nothing worse that fueding families...

I'd go with it, maybe drop a few hints... and hope they lighten up a bit.

Dom · 02-19-03, 10:19 AM

As much as I hate to admit it .. Your parents home, your parents rules.. U can try and who knows u might succed but since they are the hand that feeds you, you must respect their beleiefs..

Don't et me wrong.. I DISAGREE completly with there beliefs (I am not religious in the least) but you have to be respectfull of others oppinions..

BTW .. I love the quotes .. quite entertaining..

tHeGiNo · 02-19-03, 10:39 AM

Hey if you don't end up being able to keep them I can hold on to them for you, feed them and all, I wouldn't mind. What herps do you have?

herm · 02-19-03, 11:02 AM

I think Snake Lady gives you the best ammunition for trying to sway your parents. But the bottom line is that it is their house and if they don't want snakes for whatever reason, you need to respect their wishes. Best to start looking for temporary homes for your pets. Good Luck.

Alicewave · 02-19-03, 11:43 AM

I agree, I think providing quotes from the bible shows you are interested and have taken the time to learn about some of the beliefs. I do think you should respect your parents but trying to educate them beyond such beliefs could be very helpful. Will you be paying rent to stay there? If so then it becomes more complicated as far as "their house, their rules" If you are paying rent, you should have a little more freedom for how you live your life, especially with something as non-disruptive as snakes. Just curious, how many do you have? Is their problem with snakes only or all reptiles?

HeatherRose · 02-19-03, 03:31 PM

I converted FROM christianity because of stuff like this...right now I'm studying another (paganism/wicca) because it fits so perfectly....and I STILL have people (though it's not longer 1692 last time I checked) trying to save my soul, threatening me and calling me a satan worshipper because they're stupid. (the devil is a figure in the christiant faith, we don't even believe in one, let alone worship one :P)

ANYWAY...I'd sit down with your parents (and snakes

) talk to a priest, use SnakeLady's quotes and any other info that you can gather to prove that snakes aren't evil...

while it sounds silly to some, it's bringing it all down to your parent's values and how THEY see things....If I were in the same situation I'd be doing this...

by not trying to make them see that they're being ridiculous-ish (not trying to offend), but by giving them information so that they can get a better idea....it makes for a rational discussion anyway.

Remind them how they're your pets and that you love them very much, that helps

Best of luck,
Heather

Lisa · 02-19-03, 04:33 PM

Heather i have the perfect thing for you for people that tell you that you are going to hell. http://thisistrue.com/goohf.html

Jeromerules · 02-19-03, 05:33 PM

I am a christian Man here myself. Catholic to be exact. I am sure most of you will say catholicism is corrupt because our priests malest people. All I can say to that is there are like 2 or 3 priests that probably did. But they are human like us and not god and do get tempted. ANyways Besides the point. I would use an example of say when Jesus healed the person who was posessed by demons and then he cast it into the pigs and the pigs went wild and drowned themselves. Does that mean the pigs are a sign of evil because they had satan inside them? Also a snake is god's creature. But the snakes they talk of in the bible are venomous and very aggressive snakes. They were'nt talking about nice cute little ball pythons that are harmless to humans. What about satanists who get converted to christianity? Is it once a satanists always a satanist or what? Can't things change? What I did when we got the first snake in the house was just snuck it in. Even though my mother said no a million times and was serious we still brought it in. That was for my bros snake. And then I got one. Now she's fine with them and will sit beside me when I am holding it.Your parents just might need to get used to it. I think it's kinda dumb how a stereotype will be laid upon an animal that was the image of satan in the bible. WHat if satan was a horse??? It just doesn't suit it because venomous snakes just look mean. Anyways I just hope that adleast one of the people examples in this forum helps your parents decision. I'll pray for ya. God Bless.
L8er
JEROMEO

HeatherRose · 02-19-03, 05:40 PM

LMAO lol thanks Lisa...

Heather

Kurzix · 02-19-03, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by FlatwoundScotty
While I refuse to enter into political or religious discussions, Kurzix, I have to take your parents side on this one. Of course I do not agree with their beliefs but I feel that since you're living in their home, you're obligated to do so following their rules. I don't think you should waste any more of your time or breath trying to convert them in their beliefs.

Be thankful you have somewhere to live and deal with it till you can get on your feet and back out on your own again.

Just my biased opinion as a parent.

Scotty,

I want to be perfectly clear here. I fell upon rough times, and I am thankful for parents willing to help me out. Granted this is their house, and their rules. There are many rules that I have to follow that I don;t agree with. However I respect those rules. Even the no snakes rule, which is why i will not try to "sneak" one in. However the reason behind the no snake rule is what gets me.

See none of the other rules is something I am passionate about. I could care less about the no alcohol, the curfew (yes 24yrs old with a curfew) thats stuff I can deal with. If I could keep snakes here that would indeed rock! And it would be an added bonus. I just want to change my parents view of the animal.

Keep in mind all the time I was on my own, I owned snakes. My parents NEVER came by my house. I;ve not asked if the snakes were the reason but i suspect so. when I am back on my own I will have snakes again. If they refuse to come over because of the pets I chose to keep, that is their problem, but if I never try to correct it, then its my fault.

This sunday I plan to talk to the pastor and see what his views are. I thank everyone for their replys, I just wanted my reasoning and intentions to be clear, its not at all that is disrespect, or want to disobey the rules, I just want to change the reasoning behind it!

Jay

rethius · 02-19-03, 06:59 PM

See this is why religious comments/discussions do not work. We get some people trying to answer a question and then some people telling us about their own beliefs and how they switch from this to that. I don't think anyone here cares if you are christian/catholic/muslim/paganisticwhatever, lets just try to answer the guys question before this turns out to be an argument.

HeatherRose · 02-19-03, 07:49 PM

I don't think anyone here is really arguing....I was just pointing out that I identified with him and my dealing with people and they're seemingly ridiculous beliefs...

Heather

Scotty Allen · 02-20-03, 04:47 AM

Best of luck to you Jay.

I understand perfectly your reasoning and that you mean no disrespect to your folks. My point is only that I'm willing to bet that your parents are pretty set in their views (which is their right, just as you have yours), and that they're not going to change.

I am only suggesting that you concentrate your energy on more positive aspects and move on. If you do succeed in changing their views and getting them to allow you to keep snakes in their home, I will be the first to salute you.

eyespy · 02-20-03, 01:42 PM

My only suggestion is to ask them to read the creation story in Genesis. After God made the heavens, the earth, the plants and all the animals he "saw that it was good". He then made Adam and gave him dominion over all of the animals.

If the snakes were seen as good in God's eyes, how can they be satanic? If people have dominion over all the animals, how can a snake have the power to corrupt us?

I hope that the pastor wil be helpful in educating your parents. If not, best of luck finding a foster home for your snakes until your situation in life changes.

tHeGiNo · 02-20-03, 02:56 PM

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But they are human like us and not god and do get tempted.

LOL I am suprised no one else replied to that comment. Don't get me wrong, I am catholic too. HOWEVER, if your tempted to take part in sexual relations, do it with a woman, with her consent. Even if you HAD to rape someone, not a damn child for christ sake.