Florida kingsnake?

condozoo · 01-09-05, 03:57 PM

Hi everyone! I got this girl a few days ago. I thought she was a Florida king but was told she may be a brooks. Or a blotched. What do you think? I am not familiar with king morph...

marisa · 01-09-05, 04:05 PM

Don't know which she is but that's a really nice looking king! Congrats.

Marisa

Katt · 01-09-05, 04:35 PM

Definitely a blotched king, aka "goini" aka Appalachicola king.

Super nice too!! Patternless almost!

Congrats, quite an uncommon king in Canada.

Florida kings are brook's kings BTW, two names for the same snake. Whomever sold it to you as a florida doesn't know their kings.

Blotched kings, florida/brooks kings aren't morphs, they're subspecies.

condozoo · 01-09-05, 06:24 PM

Thanks!

I'm just starting with kings so I'm still a bit mixed up. I just thought she was beautiful when I say her. She was sold to me as a blotched Florida. Thanks for the clarification.

And she's got an attitude!!! But we are working on that... She will get better!

bighillreptiles · 01-09-05, 06:30 PM

Where did you get her and how much was she im looking for a pair for a while now beautifull snake !

condozoo · 01-09-05, 07:14 PM

I got her from a petshop in Sherbrooke, Qc. They were asking 55$ for her. She's over one year old and she was the only one they had. I am now looking for a male...

By the way, does anyone know a good book on king snake subspecies?

Ace · 01-10-05, 11:02 PM

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Blotched kings, florida/brooks kings aren't morphs, they're subspecies

Uh, actually Blotched are considered intergrades (Eastern X Florida). They don't have a subspecie classification anymore

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By the way, does anyone know a good book on king snake subspecies?

A good first book about Kings is "Kingsnakes and Milksnakes: A Complete Owners Manual" By Markell and Bartlett, pub. 1995 by Barron's publishing. ISBN # 0-8120-4240-9

Nice Blotched King! I Like it's even pattern!

Katt · 01-11-05, 08:54 AM

Ace, since when did Blotched lose their appalachicolae designation?

Here is my source on Applachicola kings.

http://www.calacademy.org/research/h.../ch/ch/2001/5/

Brandon Osborne · 01-11-05, 03:37 PM

Yep. They regained sub-specific statis about 2 years ago. The new sub name is meansi. Sad thing is, even if you have good stock, the wannabe purist will still call your stock impure because is wasn't WC. The fact is, I've only seen about 10 of these found in the wild in the last 5 years, but there is lots of pure stock available that is CBB.

Brandon Osborne

GORDO · 01-11-05, 03:50 PM

Great looking Blotched! I've got a 4.5ft. male at home and he is most defiinitly one of my nicest looking kings.Congats and as for the atitude I hope it improves.I have had mine for years and he still is alittle high strung.
Good luck.
Gord

Ace · 01-11-05, 04:40 PM

I'm aware of the study, but I have yet to hear that is was accepted? Any info there?

Katt · 01-11-05, 06:39 PM

Meansi? C;mon, I can't believe they named it after someone!

Tim and Julie B · 01-11-05, 06:55 PM

Yeah it was proved to be it's own species through DNA testing at the University of Florida. It was named after the guy who discovered them 20-30 years ago and has been working ever since then to protect them after they were desimated by collectors. Saw it on Snake Wranglers on Nat. Geo. as of 2002 when it was originally broadcast they hadn't named it but the scientist that did the DNA testing (who was also on the show) said it would be named after the herpatoligist.

Paleosuchus · 01-11-05, 07:15 PM

Beautiful kingsnake you got there.

Brooks and Florida kingsnakes are not the same snake. Although they look simliar, Brooks, or south florida kings are as the name implies, More south, in the everglades etc.. Florida kings range as far south as lake okeechobee.

Katt · 01-11-05, 10:16 PM

Yes brooks and floridas are the same snake. The latin name for brooks is Lampropeltis getulus floridana.

I think what you are talking about are the peninsular integrades which used to be called Florida kings (Lg.floridana), but have been proven to be integrades between eastern kings (L.g.getulus) and brooks (formally known as L.g."brooksi" now probably called L.g.floridana).

King taxonomy is such a jumble!

I wish I had been able to see that show. So. L.g. meansi it is. Hmm, I prefered appalachicolae. Will be they called Mean's snakes? Or are we sticking to Appalachicola kings?