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Old 10-11-04, 07:27 PM   #1
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A New Species Of Giant Ape?

Okay,

Now this is COOL!

"The New Scientist, The Age (an Australian newspaper), Daily Telegraph (a British newspaper), BBC, and the Discovery Channel are talking excitedly about a strange primate, found in the Congo. Locals say it is notorious for killing fully-grown adult lions. Optimists hope that it is a new species, maybe related to the gorilla. Pessimists claim it's an overgrown chimpanzee. In either case, primates aren't discovered every day, making this a rare find indeed."

Discovery Channel Story here
BBC Story Here
Daily Telegraph story here
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Old 10-11-04, 07:33 PM   #2
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That certainly is interesting. I would love to see the video of these new primates, if infact they are a new species. Thanks for posting that.
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Old 10-11-04, 07:45 PM   #3
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Wow heck yeah! Just the other day someone was yakking in another thread about how there couldnt possibly be any undiscovered species left with all our technological glory. Touche' to that!

Yay giant lion eating apes!
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Old 10-11-04, 07:51 PM   #4
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I love this quote:

"We could hear them in the trees, about 20 feet away," she said. "My tracker made a sound of an injured duiker [antelope] and four came rushing through the brush towards me.

"If this had been a bluff charge, they would have been screaming to intimidate us. These guys were quiet. And they were huge. They were coming in for the kill. I was directly in front of them, and as soon as they saw my face, they stopped and disappeared."
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Old 10-11-04, 07:56 PM   #5
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I honestly hope it is a new species, it's always good when primateology gets stirred up. It makes for a good read, they are having enough trouble solidifying the great ape evolutionary chain with the recent genetic discoveries that point too chimps being more related to humans then other apes. Addition of another species especially a relative too chimps would be great.

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Old 10-11-04, 08:35 PM   #6
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Artemis, it's possible that you mean ME, because i did in fact say that it's HARD (never said impossible) to find a new species for a big animal these days.
Not touche at all, because nothing has been proven yet. In fact, the all storie is full of mistakes. They say it's not a common gorilla because it's 300 miles off gorilla territorie. Species can migrate, you know?
It can kill a grown lion? Never,never, never, never, read it again: never! A 2500 pound buffalo will probably be unable to do such, a 250 pound ape would be a snack.
They have to come up with interesting legend from time to time. It sells.
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Old 10-11-04, 09:24 PM   #7
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JimmyDavid,
I gotta say, it seems ya didnt read the acount very well...
The researcher stated that 4 came rushing out of the bushes... indicating they hunt in groups.. sorta the way chimps do... I would bet that 4 250 lb gorillas/whatever they are would not have a hard time taking down an isolated lion...

""We could hear them in the trees, about 20 feet away," she said. "My tracker made a sound of an injured duiker [antelope] and four came rushing through the brush towards me.

"If this had been a bluff charge, they would have been screaming to intimidate us. These guys were quiet. And they were huge. They were coming in for the kill. I was directly in front of them, and as soon as they saw my face, they stopped and disappeared.""

After all.. a pack of 100lb hyenas have been known to take down isolated lions..

And yer right.. they said its not a COMMON gorilla... noting the obvious differences in appearance is all... yer speculation seems like an attempt to troll on Artemis.

So pls point how how the reports / articles are SOOO full of errors... I guess Discovery, BBC, Daily Telegraph and New Scientist should hire you as they are obviously incompotent

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Interesting. I haven't even read the article yet but the quotes sound a lot like a story published last year.

Large primates that were shadowing some biologists, except the people got the distinct impression that they were being "herded" the way chimps will direct prey into a trap.

And they never got a clear look at them.
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Old 10-11-04, 09:32 PM   #9
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Cruciform, yes yer right... makes me shudder.. imagine being shadowed and herded to the kill.

Anecdotal evidence about the unusual apes dates back to photos taken by European hunters in 1898, when the region was the Belgian Congo.

The trail was then picked up in 1996 by Karl Ammann, a Kenyan-based Swiss photographer, who was intrigued by local tales that the forests were inhabited by large ferocious apes that could kill lions.

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well when BBC said about the hybrid between gorillas and chimps..i doubt they'll be over 2 ft tall...could it be a hybrid between human and gorillas?!?! humans are tall and gorillas are huge?!?! ..just a thought..
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haha, nice one pheonix. Hey, wait a minute, Perhaps they were shooting "planet of the apes 2" on that location.
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YES! They are one step closer to finding bigfoot!
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Old 10-12-04, 04:55 AM   #13
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Well they figure that there are still giant sloths down in the amazon. We're talking 13 foot tall leviathans of the rain forest. In the documentary I watched they went around asking people in Vancouver about it, they replied 'I don't know why anyone would believe that.' Then they talked to a few Amazonian locals and they said 'I don't know why anyone wouldn't believe it.' They showed fossils of a few species of giant sloths and the stories the locals were talking about seemed 100% authentic: they shot at it but nothing happened/fossils show pieces of very hard cartalidge in the skin, like body armor....they smell rotting meat when they're around/fossils show their glands would excrete smells similar to rotting meat.....the footprints were banana shaped/fossils show that as they walk on the sides of their feet, it would leave banana shapes.

When you think that 99.9% of all the species that have lived on Earth throughout its history are extinct, and everything we know is a decimal percent of what has been around, who knows what could be out there, and what will be out there in the future.

God I love evolution!

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I remember something about this too.

There is a 1.5 year old story on it, in good ol national geographic

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...trangeape.html
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Old 10-12-04, 05:39 PM   #15
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just to clear things up for jimmy david, an average male gorilla weighs 300-400 pounds and an average male lion weighs 350-400 pounds so the story of a lion killing ape is not that unbeleivable.
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