getting a beardie to eat pinkies..

chamitch · 01-03-04, 02:13 PM

what i did was put a few crks in with my beardie to stimulate him a bit then as soon as he caught one i put the pinkie in front of his face and he just gulped it down aswell. prob most of u know this but i tried other ways and this was teh best. works instantly.

anyone else have a better methos or care to share??

later

Dragon_Slave · 01-03-04, 02:31 PM

You shouldn't be feeding pinkies to your beardie to begin with.

Even day old pinkies have tiny bones that CANNOT be digested by bearded dragons. They can and will cause an impaction, even if you only feed them on occassion.

Steer clear of pinkies, it's just not healthy. Not to mention, pinkies are very fatty.

chamitch · 01-03-04, 02:44 PM

perhaps impaction is possible but i haver never heard of anyone havign that problem. and even in older beardies in there latter years the fatty liver deseise is rare and they fed them more then on occasion. variety is good.

bearded dragons have a very acidic digestive system and this most surely will dissolve all teh bones.

i would like to hear about anyone who has actually had problems. most of the tiem its jsut speculation.

i am not feeding them often just to be safe. and will not feed them as soon as he gets older as it will make him fat.

Dragon_Slave · 01-03-04, 03:32 PM

Yes, I am aware that bearded dragons have acidic stomach acids, but they are not powerful enough to ''dissolve all the bones''. Think about it... beardies get impacted from mealworms because of their chitin, if their 'oh so powerful' stomach acids can't dissolve something as thin as chitin, what makes you think it can dissolve BONE?

And even if it's just ''speculation''... better to be SAFE than SORRY. You can give your beardie ''variety'' in other ways, such as what fruits and veggies you feed them, or feeding crickets, silkworms, waxworms, butterworms, superworms(for adults)... that's PLENTY of variety. Why feed something that could potentially be unsafe and unhealthy? It just makes no sense at all.

chamitch · 01-03-04, 03:47 PM

ok first of all u need to knwo a few things. chitin is very different from bone. its kind of liek cellulose in that acid doesnt dissolve it. thats why cows have 3 stomaches so they can digest it.(cellulose). baby mice have nto bone but cartalige which is even easier to digest. read a biology textbook and it will clear it up for u.

i think the only bad part from feedign to many pinkies is if they are getting fat. but as a small part in there diet it can be good. good source of calcium as well as other nutrients and calories.

btu teh point of this thread was on hwo to get them to eat pinkies not wether it is good or bad.

Reptiles Galore · 01-03-04, 05:33 PM

hey,

Bearded dragons shouldn't have pinkies on a regular basis, but it doesnt hurt them if they have one every once in a while. soo i agree with chamitch!

Aaron

Dragon_Slave · 01-03-04, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by chamitch
ok first of all u need to knwo a few things.

I know a few things... go on...

chitin is very different from bone. its kind of liek cellulose in that acid doesnt dissolve it. thats why cows have 3 stomaches so they can digest it.(cellulose).

Are we talking about cows or beardies? That's what I thought... you cannot possibly compare a big mammal such as a cow to a small bearded dragon.

baby mice have nto bone but cartalige which is even easier to digest. read a biology textbook and it will clear it up for u.

Thanks for that tidbit of useless information. Yes, pinkies DO have bones, although they are very SMALL, a buildup of them can cause impaction. I don't need to read a biology book to know this.

i think the only bad part from feedign to many pinkies is if they are getting fat. but as a small part in there diet it can be good. good source of calcium as well as other nutrients and calories.

Yes, we've already discussed the fact that pinkies are fatty.

btu teh point of this thread was on hwo to get them to eat pinkies not wether it is good or bad.

The point of the thread was dumb, to put it bluntly. Why are you encouraging people to feed pinkies when you know it could cause an impaction?

It is a PROVEN FACT that pinkies have bones, ask the Australian Bearded Dragon research group in AUSTRALIA. Yeah, the big guys... the one's who have been studying beardies for many, many years and know more than you ever will. They recently found that pinkies are unhealthy, unsafe and a BAD food item for bearded dragons. So throw away that Biology book of yours, it's probably outdated anyway, and try not to tax your brain too much, you might give yourself a migraine. Read the CURRENT stuff... take a look around, I'm sure you'll find that other sites are starting to agree, pinkies are bad!

Oh, and next time you want to sound smart... learn some spelling and grammar.

chamitch · 01-03-04, 07:38 PM

ok u missed my point. cellulose in humans and beardies and other animals that are not especially addapted to digest it cant. i wanted to u to learn about chiten and other proteins and such and there digestability. u see mealworms actually eat bran which is essentially cellulose. they turn it into a even more indigestable material chitin.

i wanted u to read a textbook about chiten not that pinkies have bones.

no need to get worked up man. u just dont understand either due to my explanation or u just dotn want too.

go to highschool bio or chem and learn a thing or 2. and ill go to grammer school. hahaa. deal?

later

Dragon_Slave · 01-03-04, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by chamitch
ok u missed my point. cellulose in humans and beardies and other animals that are not especially addapted to digest it cant. i wanted to u to learn about chiten and other proteins and such and there digestability. u see mealworms actually eat bran which is essentially cellulose. they turn it into a even more indigestable material chitin.

As I said before, you cannot possibly compare mammals to reptiles.

i wanted u to read a textbook about chiten not that pinkies have bones.

Why the hell do I need to read a freakin textbook about chitin? It's COMMON SENSE.

no need to get worked up man.

I'm a woman, thank you very much.

u just dont understand either due to my explanation or u just dotn want too.

I can't possibly understand someone who's ''explanations'' are incoherent. Not only that, but also the fact that you're points are idiotic and just plain... grrr!

go to highschool bio or chem and learn a thing or 2. and ill go to grammer school. hahaa. deal?

Why don't you go to a college and take COLLEGE courses on Biology and Zoology, like I have. So go ahead to grammar school, I am sure that you will have fun. And remember, literacy rates are growing now and you shouldn't be ashamed of learning how to spell. Have fun and let me know how things go!

ChristinaM · 01-03-04, 09:52 PM

I am definately on the no pinky for beardie's side.
It has been debated time and time again.
Ultimately, the same answer has been concluded.
Mice are very hard for pogona to digest. Bottom line.
Digestion probs can cause impaction.
Impaction can cause death.

ChristinaM · 01-03-04, 09:55 PM

btw, the above is

just my not so humble opinion.

chamitch · 01-03-04, 09:59 PM

i hate when people kill treads like dragonslave.

u are only lieing to yourself.

thanks for the advice. and i cant belive someone who claims to have taken bio or zoology doesnt knwo about digestive systems and chitin. (even though it wasnt the point of the thread) sigh

later

ChristinaM · 01-03-04, 10:25 PM

My method of feeding pinkies.

1. defrost pinky in a bowl at room temp
2. warm pinky up slightly (to resemble live food temp)
3. Grab pinky by the tail and wiggle it ( stimulating a live mouse)
4. Watch snake inhale it

oh *****, wrong thread

Method of feeding pinkies to my beardies:

1. Don't.
2. It's not good for them.
3. Feed them some silkworms instead

Peace out.

chamitch · 01-03-04, 10:33 PM

hahaa. i like that better then pickign apart my comments. i dont think there wonderful but there not that bad. and one every once in awhile is not bad just for shits. good boost of calcium and calories. and easier to get at least for me compared to silkies.

there is no end all be all for animals. or anything.
just knowing the effects and probs that can occur is teh key.

i just wanted to know how other peopel feed the pinkies. haha

later

Dragon_Slave · 01-04-04, 08:32 PM

How do I kill threads? I was stating my opinion and supporting my arguement. You're an idiot, I'm going to leave it at that. And I pity the day where someone contacts you and blames you for the death of their dragon.