Mites and monitors..

Dom · 12-28-02, 05:11 PM

Simple question .. can monitors get mites??

I am asking this cause I hm dealing with mite with my snakes right now and wondering if the monitors are succeptible .. I have never seen it b4 but would like to know if it should be a concern..

tx
Dom

V.aw · 12-28-02, 05:13 PM

I have never seen mites on any monitors their skin is way to rough.

To be safe, just get a vapona strip, cut off small cracker sized pieces and throw it into a margerine container with some small wholes in it. then just toss it in for 12 hours on and off.

Linds · 12-28-02, 05:21 PM

Snake mites are host specific. Your lizards and other herps will be unaffected by them. If you happen to get lizard mites into your collection then its a different story, but lizards cannot get snake mites. Hope this helped

Dom · 12-28-02, 06:24 PM

Yes it did - thansk so much guys!

I went to buy NIX tonight .. Well see how effective it is! lol (for my snakes that is.

Jeff_Favelle · 12-28-02, 07:38 PM

Please don't put Vapona near any of your reptiles Dom.

V.aw · 12-28-02, 09:27 PM

Jeff, that was a very ignorant response. Why not use vapona? In small amounts its fine, and works very well. You dont keep it up for long periods of time. It's alot safer than nyx. Next time you decide to disagree, instead of being arrogant explain why.

Linds: lizard do get snake mites. They are the same thing. Trust me, i know from expieriance.

Vapona is safe when you use it on large reptiles. Using it on baby reptiles in large quantities is toxic of course, but you dont put an entire strip in. All the sceptism with vapona is unnessecary providing its used properly. I along with many other people I know use it when need be. Which is rare, as it should be.

Jeff_Favelle · 12-29-02, 12:18 AM

Ok.

Vapona works by vapours (yikes), NIX is basically just a soap that works mechanically and chemically. The answer wasn't arrogant and it wasn't even aimed at you. I was talking to Dom (hence the usage of his name) and he replied quite nicely to me that he wasn't going to use Vapona. I'm sorry if you have stock in the company or something, but I wouldn't advise ANYONE to use it.

The active ingredient (for organic chemists) is 2,2-dichlorovinyl dimethyl phosphate. That's nasty stuff man. Its a freakin' carcinogen!!! Its also a stomach poison, and its only meant for professional use. I have no idea how Vapona gets away with selling the stuff, but I wouldn't be caught dead (pun intended) with the stuff in my house, near me, my animals, or my family. DDVP is NOT something to fool around with. In fact, I'd rather play on a highway than breathe the stuff in. Call that arrogant. I call it smart.

In small amounts, cancer is fine. Does that mean I want little bits of cancer? No. What is a small amount to you or I of Vapona, could be a lethal dosage to a reptile 1/200th of your size. What about long-term affects? What if it affects fecundity? As a breeder, that would definitely suck for me. NIX is approved for use on HUMAN HEADS! Its a soap that smothers the insects while working as a mild chemical agent. Probably not the greatest thing, but far, far safer than DDVP. Plus its local. Anything that is used as a local agent is 10x more effective and safer than a general agent.

Go here for some analysis: Thanks for your time...

http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles...ichlorvos.html

http://www.prop65news.com/pubs/p65ne...07/920714.html

http://infoventures.com/e-hlth/pestcide/dichlorv.html

Thanks for listening.

Dom, sorry to butcher your thread, but at least there's learning going on right (inside joke), ha ha!

Happy Holidays.

V.aw · 12-29-02, 12:22 PM

No i dont have stock in the company

and yes it was arrogant. you should have said why not use vapona, for my and anyone elses information. After your post, i have changed my mind on vapona, and Your post was very knowledgable. Thanks for the input.

Jeff_Favelle · 12-29-02, 12:30 PM

No I should not have said why not to use Vapona. I have 70+ adult snakes coming out of cycling and I don't have time to write care-sheets and hot-to's for people who need every word spelled out for them. I told DOM not to use Vapona, we talked by PM and agreed. That's it. You're the only one that seemed to have a problem with it. So I had to take 20 minutes out of my day to explain it to you, and now you agree. Woopee. What does that do for me? Nothing. Where's my 20 minutes? Gone. Another 5 are gone now. Sweet deal.

And that's why helping people is like a kick in the f**king teeth. I told Dom not to use Vapona. He PM'd me and we discussed why. He concurred. Then you posted that I was ignorant!! In my dictionary (in my head) "ignorance" is when you talk about stuff that you have no clue about. Now, how is that possible with my subsequent post? Perhaps someone is ignorant, but its certainly not me.

Let me run it down for you (one more time for the learning impaired):

1) I said a statement and then backed it up with facts.
2) You called me ignorant, and then agreed with my facts!!!

Please help me understand this grand contradiction in statements. I must be getting dumb. Old age is setting in. I guess I had a good run.

Dom · 12-29-02, 05:57 PM

lol Jeff and V.aw - i gotta tell you - these are really interesting post!

You guys should argue more often lol

Tahnsk for all the info guys

Dom

Linds · 12-29-02, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by V.aw
Linds: lizard do get snake mites. They are the same thing. Trust me, i know from expieriance.

Snake mites (Ophionyssus natricis) are small, black specks while Lizard mites (Hirstiella tronbidiiformis) are slightly larger, red/orange guys. Now I have never seen any lizard mites on a snake nor any snake mites on a lizard (and I have experience treating both species of mites in mixed collections), though they can be transmitted to birds. I had always thought (because of their names, and my past experiences with both of them) that they were basically host-specific..........

V.aw · 12-29-02, 11:04 PM

Linds, iam so impressed that you looked up the latin names for mites. That will help a newcomer out so much!! Anyways, Yes they're are more than one type of mite. HOWEVER if it goes to a snake, it will goto a lizard. Bird mites are a completely different story, Those do not bother reptiles, nor do reptile mites bother birds. Yes, i do agree. Mites are host specific, as fleas stay to mammals mites stay to reptiles. (snakes/lizards being the host)

Linds · 12-30-02, 12:36 AM

Actually, avians and reptiles have alot of similarities (hence why vets that specialize in reptiles are often avian vets as well) and they can be affected by lizard mites (H. tronbidiiformis).........

V.aw · 12-30-02, 12:58 PM

Iam not going to argue about this anymore. Out of my years of expierience, working in pet stores, owning a huge variety of snakes and reptiles as well as birds, ive never seen your "assumptions" occur. I could be counter acting your arguement with latin names to sound intelligent as well, but i dont need too. From my exp this is what has happened.

dlucka · 12-30-02, 01:49 PM

Hooo... Dom i wish you good luck with that big one

You will have a lot of fun and maybe some scrach