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Old 11-27-11, 11:03 AM   #1
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Can this be done? (breeding question)

Hi all,
My son and I are wanting to do some breeding with our two female oketees when they get old enough. My son was asking if you could cross breed a corn snake with a rat snake. I wasn't sure myself, so I figured I'd run it by you guys. Might make for some interesting pairings. Thoughts?
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Re: Can this be done? (breeding question)

Isn't a creamsicle corn snake a cornXrat snake? Think I've heard that few times. I'm also pretty sure I've seen a lot of cornXrat hybrid snakes at expos
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The creamsicle corn is a amel corn crossed with a amel great plains rat snake. Corn snakes are actually red rat snakes them selves. You can also breed them to kings and milks.
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You can, but most people advise against it.
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Do people advise against it because they want to keep blood lines pure?
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Old 11-27-11, 01:17 PM   #6
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You can, but most people advise against it.
For what reason?
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Do people advise against it because they want to keep blood lines pure?
Yep. It gets impossible to tell down the road (like numerous generations after the first integrade) what you actually have.

There are a lot of other snakes that can also be cross-bred. Some are for it; many are opposed to it.

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okay... makes sense.. might be interesting just to see what we get, even if we never continue to breed them down the line. Got an idea for something we might want to try out.
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do share. I'm not against cross breeding completely, but I'm not exactly a fan. Granted there are some STUNNING cross breeds out there.
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Was thinking something like a corn with bright red spots (maybe a candy cane or something like that) with a green-red tail rat. See if maybe we get a green snake with red spots. Would be interesting to see if it worked.
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the problem with a candy cane is its a selective bred amelanistic. Amel is a recessive trait, so you would need 2 breedings to produce the desired outcome. Even then you might not get what you want because amel removes black pigment, so I'm not sure how it would affect the green.

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nevermind, they're unrelated despite their common names
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Bummer... so much for that idea! Would have made an interesting combination.
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Yea, corns can only be cross bred with other north american rats, milks and kings. Just make sure you keep track of the genetics and if or when you sell any make sure they are correctly labeled. I'm not against it, but I'm not a huge fan of it.
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good info to know! my wife is adamantly opposed to ANY snake with red eyes, so that limits some of my options. May look around a bit more and see what we come up with.
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