i have a question

donnyboy18 · 02-02-10, 11:23 PM

i just brought a new snake and it a albino California king snake and its a girl but she a baby and i got a ball python that i had for a year i was wondering if i could put them in the same tank together because i know that my ball python is really friendly i dont think he/she wont try to kill the albino so what should i do

Feebo · 02-03-10, 06:01 AM

No offence mate really, but do some research and learn something before you buy snakes. You should know before you even buy a snake that that is a terrible idea. For starters one of them is a snake eating snake. They are two different species with different requirements. It`s all about stress with snakes, even if they were both Balls Pythons, they would have to be the same size or the much smaller one would spend it`s time terrified. Can you tell when a snake is terrified? Snakes aren`t friendly, snakes just tollerate you, that`s how it is. They never "want to come out and play" they don`t "like to be stroked" They learn to accept you and tollerate you, that`s it. Just because one of your snakes seems gentle, really doesn`t mean you can start mixing species in a tank. Sorry if I sound a little condescending mate, I don`t mean to be but that really is a question you should know the answer to before you even buy a snake.
Here are a few links that you might find helpful.....
Snake-keeping for beginners - by Graham Duke - Helium
Begginers Guide

If you have any more questions, I`m happy to help, I`m sure plenty of people here will be happy to help

Learning about your snakes is essential, fun and very rewarding....

citysnakes · 02-03-10, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Feebo

even if they were both Balls Pythons, they would have to be the same size or the much smaller one would spend it`s time terrified.

even if they were ball pythons of the same size they would still need to be permanently housed separately.

to the OP, you need to keep those snakes separate for many reasons, one being the fact that they are different species from different parts of the world and have different environmental requirements. do some research and please dont kill those things.

Feebo · 02-03-10, 10:12 AM

I`m a kepper that houses pairs Julian, controversial as that is to some people. I have plenty of experiance with snakes, and with keeping pairs together. It`s not something I`d recommend to begginers, I think a honed recognition of snake behaivour is a must for doing this. I know the pros, I know the cons, I also know that contrary to some keepers opinions, housing two similar sized snakes of the same species doesn`t result in immediate trouble, providing they are male and female of course. Sure, if there is an infectious disease present, both will get it, but as for competition for resources and fighting, it just doesn`t happen in the majority of cases in my experience, obviously providing species has been taken into account. I`d prefer not to get into a big long winded debate on it but surfice as to say, plenty of keepers house pairs together succesfully, providing certain criteria are met and a trained eye is kept on them at first, there isn`t a problem. Ball Pythons and Kingsnakes though.... Obvious huge problem.

citysnakes · 02-03-10, 11:10 AM

if one truly acquired a honed recognition for snake behaviour then they would understand that they should be housed separately. if youre housing a pair of balls in an enclosure that measures the recommended size for a single adult animal then there is definitely competition going on and stress being caused. we can debate this for hours but in the end people do what they want with their animals regardless of the facts and the opinion of others.

if, in your opinion, you know this is a controversial method and not something you would recommend for beginners then please dont.

Feebo · 02-03-10, 12:06 PM

I didn`t. I`ve offered to help. You obviously think your opinions are fact so end of discussion. There are plenty of keepers that keep pairs together, and who said I was keep two Royals in an enclosure suitable for only one? Eh? Because I didn`t. I simply will not have a discussion aboot this with someone that so single mindedly thinks they`re way is the only way. I`m really not interested in arguing on this, or any forum, I`m here to help and I`m here to enjoy the forum, I`m not here to listen to your one sided, intollerant, ill informed nonsense. Lets leave it there, I`m sure we`ve both got better things to do than argue.

citysnakes · 02-03-10, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Feebo

even if they were both Balls Pythons, they would have to be the same size or the much smaller one would spend it`s time terrified.

do you not suggest in this quote that it is fine to house a pair of balls together?

in this quote you are talking about ball pythons and suggesting that pairs of similar size may be housed together. i disagree with this and offer my own opinion.

because i disagree with your opinion that it is fine to house multiple snakes permanently together that makes me closed minded?

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Originally Posted by Feebo

I didn`t. I`ve offered to help. You obviously think your opinions are fact so end of discussion. There are plenty of keepers that keep pairs together, and who said I was keep two Royals in an enclosure suitable for only one? Eh? Because I didn`t. I simply will not have a discussion aboot this with someone that so single mindedly thinks they`re way is the only way. I`m really not interested in arguing on this, or any forum, I`m here to help and I`m here to enjoy the forum, I`m not here to listen to your one sided, intollerant, ill informed nonsense. Lets leave it there, I`m sure we`ve both got better things to do than argue.

you did. im helping as well. i've never said anybody has to agree with my opinions and can definitely differentiate fact from my own opinion. i dont care what you keep, im replying to what you said. my way has evolved many times through the years so i am obviously always open to new ideas. you continue to say you are not interested and will not discuss this topic that you so strongly believe in yet you have not produced any real facts or convincing opinions. stating weak opinions without any explanation is really no help to the OP or anyone for that matter. your opinion of my view, character and knowledge is the true ignorant one so lets leave it here. obviously i dont have better things to do todays as i have responded to almost every single ignorant point you have made.

now lets get back on topic shall we?

Feebo · 02-03-10, 01:39 PM

I really cannot be bothered mate, I really can`t. You can sling your insults around as much as you want, I really don`t care. You have already stated that you aren`t interested in my opinions by stating that yours is fact and telling me I`m not keeping my charges correctly. I will not argue on the internet with you, you can call me names and tell me I`m an idiot all you want. The "Facts" are that people keep snakes in both ways, as pairs or singley, and neither one of those keeping practices are right or wrong, they are simply different. By your rational all my snakes should be dead/suffering and they certainly aren`t. Unfortunatly for new snake keepers, there is no shortage of people, like yourself, who are willing to argue that thier way of keeping snakes is the ONLY way to keep snakes,and that everyone else is wrong. In the mean time the new keeper is left staring at a screen full of insults and accusations of ignorance that I won`t be part of. I would rather inform the new keeper of all the various options and practices and leave them to form thier own opinions once they have gained enough knowledge of snake keeping. This forum has been a breath of fresh air for me, I enjoy it here and don`t wish to exchange insults with you or anyone else, so yes, by all means, get back to helping the new snake keeper. I have zero time for playground insulting games.

citysnakes · 02-03-10, 02:17 PM

hehehe you're in your own little world over there mate.

Feebo · 02-03-10, 03:06 PM

Yep, as I say, not interested, as above...

marvelfreak · 02-03-10, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by donnyboy18

i just brought a new snake and it a albino California king snake and its a girl but she a baby and i got a ball python that i had for a year i was wondering if i could put them in the same tank together because i know that my ball python is really friendly i dont think he/she wont try to kill the albino so what should i do

Hello and Welcome! You never want to keep king snakes with any other snake, as they will eat other snake. They will even eat other king snakes. And please don't let this guys scare you off they only mean to help. We are just a passionated bunch when it comes to our believes. You can still learn a lot from everyone here. So feel free to ask any question you may have. I am sure someone can help. Oh and i love to see pictures of your king snake. And like Feebo said you should always research any reptile before buying. This way you can have everything set up right.

Hillsberry · 02-03-10, 04:57 PM

I dont know. I have an Albino Cal king male and there little. I would look that up. Good luck!!

Will0W783 · 02-03-10, 06:51 PM

Oh kings will eat anything they can. My fiance's kingsnake, Elvis, tried several times to eat my fingers. It didn't really hurt, it was just amusing to see him trying so darned hard...lol.

infernalis · 02-03-10, 09:09 PM

I'm going to leave a few things here alone, but to the original poster, DO NOT under any circumstances put them together, PLEASE.

donnyboy18 · 02-04-10, 12:41 PM

no i know not to put them in the same tank i was just asking and i dont have two pythons i have one albino California king snake and the other one is a ball python but now look my ball python wont come out all he do is sit under the log everyday and night i dont know if he sick or just plane lazy lol and he rejected its food the other week..... next question i feed MY BALL PYTHON frozen rats and he didnt want to eat it so i left it in their but still nothing can i refeeze it then try again another time or throw the rats away and bye new ones because i dont if thats ok to do