Just wondeing (Little survy....)

[Simon]

Just wondering.

I will be having some Lavender corns snakes (Rich Zuchowski line) for sale next year.

Is there anyone out there that is interested in getting a few?

I will be asking for 500 dollars for males. Females 750. (I might hav hets too but then have to see what happens and then I will determine the price for these later on.

Also I will might have some Orange Candy Cane Corn (Kathy Love line) snakes for sale too.

Asking for $200 for a male and $300 for a female.

Okeetees (Kathy Loves Line)
$60 for a male and $70 for a female.

Will also have others but will update this list later.....

I really want to know if anyone is interested in getting some of these super nice looking snakes from the US blood line.

Thanks!

[gunnerslakeshor]

Simon
Now look you cant buy everyone,s snakes for $20 then ask extreme prices for your own man it just dont look right ya know. lol
Phil

[Simon]

Phil,
Yes I totally understand what you are talking about. But if you come to think about it. There is basically less than a few people in Canada that has these lines. The lavenders and candy cane corns are considered rare in the US and in Canada even worse. From what I know of right now, there are basically 13 lavenders in Canada. I have 4 of them, Ryan in Ontario has 2 of them and some in the rest of Canada. I will be also adding in a pair of adults lavs to my collection very soon. The main reason why I am asking for this price is because they are worth every single penny. If you don't believe in me, you can always go to

http://www.serpenco.com/cultivars/lavender.html

to see a pic of a lavener corn snake.

for Kathy's Okeetee and Candy Cane, you can go to

http://www.corn-utopia.com/Corn%20Ut...%20CAPTION.jpg

and

http://www.corn-utopia.com/Corn%20Ut...20CAPTIONS.jpg

for a pic of an okeetee and candy cane corn snake.

You might not trust me right now, but if you should believe in Kathy and Rich from the US. I have gotten all these bloodlines from them. If you need any references, I will be more than happy to provide them.

Since you think that this price is high, then what prices of these were you thinking of?

I have seen normal looking corn snakes that said that it might be a possible het for lavenders these were going for more than 280 Canadian.....and I was already at a reptile expo.

[gunnerslakeshor]

Simon
you dont have to justify anything to me i just made an observation is all to me it looked kinda odd yaknow.
If you can sell them at a profit great for you .
Phil

[Simon]

I know......
but it's just that it looks like I was ripping people off. These guys are very hard to find and people don't have much. As demand and supply goes, that is why these guys are worth so much.

Anyone else out there that thinks this is a way too high of a price?

[CornBall]

Simon,

I am sorry but those prices are TOOOOOO HIGH!!

My lavenders will be most likely able to breed this season, but those prices are just ludacris, I will also have double het for opal, and possibly triple het for amel, lav, anery A.

I still am not sure on pricing but there is NO WAY I will sell lavs for that high, sorry I'm not in it for the money, that's just a bonus. I was thinking 300 for females, and 250 for males, with pairs going for 500. I have even thought of 250 each male or female and pairs for 450.

I WOULD NEVER think 750 for a female or 500 for a male that's nuts, especially seeing as I got my pair for 400 Canadian.

I don't know what hets would be but there won't be many females available so they wil be alittle higher than male hets.

If your interested in maybe trading a pair of lavenders (hatchlings) when they hatch to get different blood lines. I have seen your pics and yours look very different from my pair. it would be interesting to see the different colouring. My pair show much of that pink/orange colouring in between the saddles, my male is really light to, looks like a hypo lavender.

the 200-300 for candy canes is brutal, all a candy cane is is an albino miami, that possibly was line bread in certain cases to get the colour morph that it is now. I wouldn't sell thosefor more than 100 for males and 150 females, and I still think that is alittle high.

sorry if i offended you in any way, but those prices are too high to me.

-Ryan

[Simon]

Ryan,

Don't worry at all. I am not offened in anyway. I was asking for something like this. I really liked your comment and pricing. The main reason why I asked was to see if anyone out there thinks that the price is too high.

I need to know before I can make up the price. I think that next year the lavenders will be out. I guess that you and me will be the only two that will be selling these snakes in Ontario Canada.
I was deciding the price for these so I had to ask.

As for the candy canes. I wouldn't think that the price is too high. As you can see on Don Soderburg's homepage, he sells his orange candy canes for 150 US each....that is around 240 Canadian. The reason why I was asking so much for these is because of the shipping cost that it costed me to get them up here. So around 200-300 isn't that much....
I will have lines from Rich, Don and Kathy. And these animals are really the top candy canes!

[Jeff_Favelle]

Why sell yourself short and devalue your animals? Get as much as you can for them. Then maybe people will take a little better care for them. If you treat and sell them as disposeable pets, does it not stand to reason that that's all they'll become?

[CornBall]

Yes I see that it probally cost you an arm and a leg for shipping but instead of getting them sent right to Canada, why not cross the border and pick them up at an airport. The cost on gas is no where near the price of shipping.
the candy canes are very good looking BUT on Rich's site you can get them for 50 US (about 75 Canadian) and with all corns each animal varies from one to another and your candy canes (line bread amel miamis)you could have yellow start creeping up around the saddles. I'm not saying yours have that but it could happen, hey you never know what these guys will do next.
Mike Vince is selling candy canes for 45 Canadian, I don't know where he got his stock from but thats one heck of a deal if you ask me.
Don's site is the only one out of Rich, Kathy, and himself that portrays his as orange candy canes, though Rich's look just as nice for 1/3 the price. Kathy's are alittle higher at 55 US and her best looking ones still only 75 US, that's still a minimum of 1/2 the price for corns still coming from the top 3 corn breeders in the world.
so I see that is high priced.

-Ryan

[Simon]

Well yes I know that shipping it to the US airport and picking them up there would be cheaper....but then first of all....I don't have car, secondly, I can't just go the US and come back.....I don't have the time for it.....
I am feeding my guys everyday now....Right now I have around 90+ snakes in my house waiting for their turn to be feed....and with next year's hatchlings....I'll be over run by these snakes.....so even less time to travel......

The price might be high...but then compared to the candy canes that I see here, are no where near as pretty as the ones from the US.....and besides from what I have right now, none of them have developed any signs of yellow. Rich mainly produces Red Candy canes....he doesn't want to get into Orange Candy canes. So in order to get orange candy canes, either Kathy or Don is a good source. Kathy's line MIGHT have emory blood line in it since she did purchase a snake that MIGHT have emory blood line in it and bred it to a candy cane which did actually make her orange colored candy cane better. But then because I personally don't like hybrds....so yes I might sell Kathy's line of candy cane cheaper. But Don's line is pure. The reason why I said that is because he showed me a pic of his orange and red candy cane breeding and the resulting hatchlings didn't have a sign of emory blood in it at all.

That was the reason why Don had his orange candy canes for a higher price compared to Rich and Kathy.

That is the main difference......and I have 4 candy canes from Don, 2 from Kathy, and 1 from Rich....and trust me...shipping from them....isn't fun....it's a lot of work and LOTS of MONEY!!! The price that I am going for right now is can only cover a little part of my shipping cost.....not even talking about the animal itself yet....

and I would totally think that Jeff_Favelle's point of view is right.
In order for human beings to understand and value these animals is to either make them pay. Selling them at a higher price means that these are rare animals (well in terms of Canada). In order to make people pay more attention and more care to these animals is to make them pay a higher price. I mean for a beginner....would they want to pay something like 400 dollars for a lavender and they don't know how to take care of it....and it dies.....no right? So beginners would start seaching for more information about these animals and take better care of it. If they are not beginners then they will know how to value these rare animals and how hard it is for them to get into Canada. So I woudl think that the price being a bit higher isn't asking too much.....

I paid all these money for these animals because I wanted to spread the diversity of corn snakes into Canada more....that means getting some from the US....and since I am getting them from the US, why don't I just get them from the most well known breeders? That is Kathy, Rich and Don (of course there are more out there but just pointing these 3 out.) Now...getting snakes from them is expensive.....so in order to get my investment back (don't even talk about making money back....) selling these snakes at a higher price is actually quite reasonable....

Ryan....I think that one day you and me will need to either call each other or meet each other to compromise a price for these snakes.....otherwise, the market price for these isn't going to be pretty at all....

hey I'm hoping for a pair of DH sunglow boas and at $1500 USD each I won't sell any offspring below what the market will bear. they used to say the albino boas would drop in price as they were produced but that hasn't happened to the extreme they expected. what ever the market will bear.

[Simon]

Thanks reverendsterlin, I totally understand what you are saying....and I agree with this too. That is why I was trying to make a survery about this and see if anyone thinks that the price is too high.

For the price and shipping of these animals, I would say that it's NOT too much to ask for. There might be others that are willing to sell for a lower price....but then I wouldn't think that many would like to do that.

[CornBall]

agreed we will need to call each other or meet to get these prices right. I to think that the market will be a mess if we don't come to a compromise, and I don't want that to happen as it has in other situations. I don't want the whole lavender/mocha mess that happened in the states happen up here but in a pricing thing (i think you know what i mean).

question: how did you get Rich to send corns to Canada, I can't count the times he has said NO to me, how did you go about this and how much did it cost you??

The rarity on these animals is high here but truthfully you can get them here though it would be a huge pain. But I also see that we should help our fellow Canadian breeders and not have to resort to buying from the states but sometimes it has to be done to get what you want. believe me I have searched Canada for certain morphs and have come up empty handed or a price that's just masive. Seeing as I have changed my plans a few months ago from something I had planned from age 5 (going to university to be a vet) to going to college THIS YEAR, to become a conservation officer my cash flow is very limited and can only afford 1-2 snakes this year (i know it's sad). but my snakes will breed this season and will aid me in aquiring specific morphs which I probally will end up going to the states for. Daytona 2003 will be fun.

I am just a hobbiest right now but breeder next year, only small scale right now, still getting my stock and it will take a while with college knocking this fast. I also think that there are other cornsnake breeders that could lend some input that we have not heard from. I sure would hate to hear to guys got together one day and said this corn will be this price and this morph another and have totally NO say. Though this would probally help money wise, I would hate for other breeders and hobbiests to see me as a complete butt hole for saying this is how it's going to be.

though I still see that we should compromise on pricing so that people (experienced and inexperienced) go to one breeder and purchase all there hatchlings on their table while the guy next to him has his table still full without a sale.

how much did shipping cost you from each of the breeders, Rich, Kathy, Don. Kathy will ship but she said around 200-300, but not sure about the others. how did they get them to you?????

I am not sure how this came out in writing as this has got my mind on over drive thinking alot on what to do. so i hope you get what i think i said. me and computers are not very good together, it probally took me ages to type this.

I hope to hear from you soon

we need to do this in person to get everything out right away, because as i type i think to many things and forget a few things i wanted to say.

-Ryan

[Gillards]

Hey Simon here is Kathy Love's Okeetee, I bouhgt a pair off of Clint Gilders $150.00 can. I would pay more $$$ Every shed they get brighter and brighter!!!!!

[Simon]

Gillards,

Trust me. I have been working with Kathy last summer and....all I can say is.....WOW......all her okeetees are the best looking ones out there. I mean I have seen, Rich, Don, Clint, Frank, Mike and many others....but none of them has okeetees like Kathy does. She has one of the very best okeetees around. The adult pair that I will be getting from her will surely produce some nice snakes for me next year. I will try to post a pic of the adults very soon. Then you can decide on what to pay for these beauties. So you would think that $75 dollars for an okeetee from Kathy's Line would be alright yeah?

Ryan,

can you email me your phone number so that the two of us can talk about this sometime soon? I am trying to make a web site for myself and make up a name so that most people can reconize me that way. So other than making up the site and name, I would need to know about the price. You and I have Lavenders, a guy in NB also has them but only a male. So I would think that compromising the price would be very nice.
Right now I have 6 lavenders and which, 4 of them are females and 2 of them are males. So sometime soon (prediction of 2004) I should have a lot of lavenders for sale. I would also assume that in 2004 I would be flooded with the amount of snakes that I have right now.

My collection of snakes has grown to around 90+ snakes and I would consider myself as a breeder. Not quite as big as Kathy, Rich or Don but in a way small scale snake breeder. I do want to make some money back in all this investment that I have put in. So selling the hatchlings is one of the first steps that I have to do. In order to do this, I think that setting up the price is the very most important thing to do. As you have said before, I don't want to be a jerk either. I don't want to be selling a snake for 1000 dollars where other people are only selling them 20 dollars........that would mean that I will not get any business at all. So compromising the price is a must. For other snakes, I would say that the prices could vary a bit, but for the lavenders, I would say that we have to compromise.....because they are way too rare.

Send me your phone number and I'll talk to you on the phone so that we can compromise the price and set it to a market price so no one would be hurt (as you said like the US war....) send your phone number to me at candycanecorn@hotmail.com

Thanks man!!!
Hope to talk to you soon and Gillards hope you can wait for my little okeetees to hatch out next year. I will post a pic of the pair as soon as I have time.

Good Luck and Happy Herping to you all!!