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07-24-02, 12:27 AM
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Poll:How do you feel about HYBRID snakes?
Poll: How do you folks here feel about the crossing or hybridization of diffrent types of snakes? Either locality or family.
Examples of some crosses that are being worked on, the majority in the United States:
Burmese PythonXreticulated Python
Anaconda X Argentine Boa constrictor
Anaconda X Brazilian Rainbow boa
Nicaraguan boa XColombian boa(Salmon hypos)
Ball Python X angolan Python
Ball Python x BloodPython
Salmon Hypo Boa X Argentine Boa
Cornsnake X Kingsnake
Gophersnake X Cal. Kingsnake
Sinaloan Milksnake X Cal. Kingsnake
Jungle Carpet PythonXDiamond Python
Bredls Python X jungle Carpet Python
Green tree pythons XCarpet python
These are just a few. Personally I think they truly suck, but that just my opinion. More importantly than what I think..what do YOU think? Please respond.
Thanks,
Fred Albury
(Aztec Reptiles U.S.A.)
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07-24-02, 12:53 AM
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both good and bad...lets say the sweet lil corn you broght home and housed in your cage with your other corn till you have everything set up ....you go to get it out and low and behold he ate your other corn.
not into anything king...being bred with anything not king...but everything else is fine by me
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07-24-02, 04:19 AM
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I think its fine... Carpondro.. jcp x gtp being my favorite :P
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07-24-02, 08:24 AM
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I think it's awful. I am 110% against hybridization. I especially almost came to tears when I saw the pictures of the salmon/argentine cross. These animals wouldn't be crossing themselves in nature for a good reason (as well as most of them wouldn't even encounter eachother since many of them are from different locations). Once an animal is crossed that virtually eliminates any security for that species being a pure species years down the line. I would like to be able to hold an animal an know for certain it is 100% pure, not 98%. Look at what happened with the Burmese and Indian python? And the Red wolf and coyotes? Two species completely extinct due to outcrossing. There are no words for how wrong this practice is.....
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07-24-02, 10:28 AM
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I'm with fred, linds, and corey......i find it absolutely wrong and quite pathetic....especially for the first time snake keepers who after having there first two snakes (of different species) they come on the forums asking whether they can breed them.......
Quite upsetting IMO.....
Me personally, I would love to breed for the pureness of the species, rather then against it....
I've been on the hybrids forum before, and each and every post is quite discusting to read.....
Those ppl respect snakes as a commodity and not as a animal of nature....IMO
Theres a reason why snakes arn't large like a blood and tame like a ball....its called EVOLUTION>.......and within a matter of a couple decades, everything that has evolved in nature will be diminished in captivity.....and i thought thats exactly what we arn't trying to do....
A big Hip Hip Hooray! goes out to all the purebred breeders out there! 
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07-24-02, 11:06 AM
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Well i see all of your points, but IMO, if you are advertising sales of your Hybrid animals like Dr.Frankenstein, I dont see any problem in it... I just think its silly to think about snakes like this and then own un pure bred animals like cats...
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07-24-02, 12:25 PM
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WTG Jeff! I agree!!!!!
I am ok with things like ratsnake and cornsnake, but I personmally think they are the same anyways. I would never even dream to mix a python with a gardersnake. The only thing they have in common is the fact they are snakes. They dont even eat the same things. IMHO
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07-24-02, 12:51 PM
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Well Jeff, I'm afraid I'm going to use your comment against you. Un pure breeds like cats should be the biggest reason NOT to cross snakes. There are too many people that think it's "cool" to come up with something like the sphinx cats. A hairless cat, there's a usefull animal. They just do it because they can.
Cross breeding can give you some very unexpected results, most of them are just not good. What if one of these crosses escapes? Ever hear of killer bees?
Yes, it's tempting to make your own critter, but there are just too many down sides .. and I like them just the way they are thanks.
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07-24-02, 12:54 PM
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I also have to add, if people are worried about the strength and purity of there animals genes... breeding to achieve hypomelanism and snow animals is damaging to the gene pool, heck even albinism is a sign of weakened genes.. IMO Hybrids are definatly cool, and if we can play god and incubate our animals eggs, why cant we match make for them!! just my 0.2cents
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07-24-02, 12:59 PM
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Quervo, i ssee your point BUT i was using the cats against people who say they are against hybrids but own mutts and unpure cats!
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07-24-02, 01:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Grant vg
Those ppl respect snakes as a commodity and not as a animal of nature....IMO
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I see your point to Grant, but whats worse, breeding a hybrid or having people keep "a animal of nature" in a sweatbox rubbermaid rack on paper towel... I dont see ANYTHING natural about that...
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07-24-02, 01:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Quervo
There are too many people that think it's "cool" to come up with something like the sphinx cats. A hairless cat, there's a usefull animal. They just do it because they can.
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A hairless cat or a all white snake that used to be black and gold.. If people are against hybrids then they should also be against the support of captive breeding of snakes with MUTATIONS...
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07-24-02, 01:22 PM
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Who likes Miniature Pinchers??? or Toy Poodles... and the countless other numbers of species of dogs that were created by breeding 2 differant species together... what about us??? Because someone is a native of indonesia, gives them the right not to be able to have children with a white person from Greenland??? Both Humans, from differant locations... and offspring will be neither... Hybridization is happening everyday in every aspect of live... Feel free to repond, i want to start a heated debate! hehehe
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07-24-02, 01:29 PM
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Sorry, but i like this topic... Now as the reptile industry grows... hybridization will become more and more popular! Like differant breeds of dogs... they are having to add new species to the "PURE BRED" category every year... as long as there is a demand for something, it will be done... so before you knock the snake hybridization just think about other hybrids you like and people you know who are not "pure" and dont be so quick to judge! now someone argue with me!! im getting sick of talking to myself! LOL
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07-24-02, 01:38 PM
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I don't see anything horribly wrong with hybridization, but I personally wouldn't hybridize any of my animals, what would be the point? Usually, when people are breeding an animal, they are trying to achieve purebreds...purebred dogs, for example, have been selectively bred for decades to emphasize certain traits...this is sort of like what people are doing with corns and BP's by making albinos and whatnot. Only problem is that if you're getting a corn snake, how can you be 100% sure it hasn't got some milk or king snake intergrade in it's lineage? With dogs, if you want a REAL purebred, you buy one from a CKC registered breeder, but there's no such organization for herp breeders, so you can't be sure. I think that if you want to create a hybrid snake, fine. Just don't breed it into your other lines, and then market the offspring down the line as something they're not. Hybrids should be a pet-only type deal. IMO
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