I hate this..

infernalis · 03-22-12, 08:23 AM

People, excuses.. justifications!! Ugh it makes me nuts.

I spend all this time putting together all the hard data I can about Savannah Monitor care, and everyone I present it to has an excuse

Mine is just a baby, a fish tank is just fine.

I have a room I can let it run free in..

blah blah blah..

why do these people even buy a Lizard if they are not willing to take care of it correctly?

KORBIN5895 · 03-22-12, 08:26 AM

Mainly because they are stupid. Remember you can teach the ignorant but you can't educate the stupid.

Snakefood · 03-22-12, 08:29 AM

Because the lizzard is cute and they're stupid, it's a bad combo.

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CK SandBoas · 03-22-12, 08:39 AM

Wayne, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink........

jarich · 03-22-12, 08:40 AM

Its a difficult thing to be told you are killing your animal, especially with this particular animal. They are so hearty and active, even up to death, that I think it makes people feel they are doing just fine, even in the worst situations. Its hard for people to grasp the immediate need for change when the lizard is active, eating and doing all the things a healthy lizard does. I think we have to be patient and just keep plugging away at it. Plus the amazing example you set speaks volumes that words just cant.

Im not meaning to be harsh, but how long did you have Chomper in that cage before realizing you needed to get him into a better habitat? I know the first month of my Savs time with me was definitely scary. Makes me sick to think of what I put him through with my lack of knowledge. Excuses and justifications are easy for us all, and unfortunately we learn quickest through tragedy.

alessia55 · 03-22-12, 08:43 AM

I've noticed people getting baby savs on Facebook auctions and I've been private messaging them the varanus.us website. *shrugs* there's not much we can do to save them all, Wayne

KORBIN5895 · 03-22-12, 09:04 AM

Wayne I have an idea and it isn't the most pleasant. Pm me if you want to know.

infernalis · 03-22-12, 09:10 AM

shove pictures of chomper in his final moments in their face??

Bradyloach · 03-22-12, 09:14 AM

Umm but Wayne! I was that person

CDN_Blood · 03-22-12, 09:23 AM

Unfortunately, it's all too easy to be a terrible keeper these days. The current attitude towards herps these days is downright disgraceful, on the whole. There are very few truly dedicated and knowledgable keepers out there, and those who don't fall into that category are spreading their "knowledge" around so fast that it's impossible to stop.

I've met *so* many people who think they're experts in this or that aspect of herpetoculture, yet as far as I'm concerned, they're know-nothing know-it-alls. I've seen it more times than I can count.

A prime example are a few folks in my area who've attached themselves to a local reptile 'rescue', which is actually a horror show in disguise, yet everyone who works there thinks that parasites, disease, minimalistic husbandry and frequently losing animals is all part of everyday life with reptiles. They'll say "I'm a professional. I have X years experience", but if you ask them how many animals have died under their care, the truth of the matter becomes painfully obvious and it's like they don't seem to learn anything from it all. It's all just a matter of routine to them.

There is certainly no shortage of quality information out there for anyone with the desire to learn it, but most simply can't be bothered because to them these animals are so readily available that they'll just go out and get another to replace the one that died. It's far too easy to do when you consider living animals to be disposable items that can be picked-up just about anywhere.

I've turned-down many calls for help from people who I know are repeat offenders, and as much as it pains me to see their animals suffer and inevitably die due to their steadfast unwillingness to learn and change their practices, I simply will not take their animal in, fix it and return it only for them to repeat the exact same foolishness. It's a tough call to make, but for these repeat offenders, if I help them, they simply don't learn anything.

I could ramble-on about this for days and cite many cases-in-point, but it's futile because it won't change anything, so these days I keep my blinders on and *only* focus on those deserving of my attention. If someone is willing to learn, I'm there for them if they need me, but the rest of them will just get kicked to the curb. I'm at the point in my herp life that I have a zero tolerance policy for idiots, which explains my increasingly large ignore list.

infernalis · 03-22-12, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bradyloach

Umm but Wayne! I was that person

and look at you now, we are all proud of you...

You didn't put up a brick wall and ignore people. (Like I once did)

infernalis · 03-22-12, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Wayne I have an idea and it isn't the most pleasant. Pm me if you want to know.

Pm me, I want to know...

Bradyloach · 03-22-12, 09:29 AM

Yah I know! I'm Getting her an 8x4 in a couple weeks because the 5x2 is look really small for her now

Kayla90 · 03-22-12, 10:03 AM

So after reading this this morning .. this is what came out and I posted it a bunch of places on facebook..

; People! It's time to realize that just because it was "right" in the past doesn't mean it's actually the right thing to do. For years people have been buying Savannah Monitors, and treating them just like every other Monitor out there. Well guess what people, Savannah's are INSECTIVORES! Their body can not process a diet of rodents or meat. (I actually had someone tell me the other day that a sav's diet should consist of insects and DOG food. There is a reason it's labelled DOG food) Yes, they occasionally do it in the wild, but guess what, in the wild they have the EXACT husbandry that they need. In captivity, Sav's enclosures RARELY meet the requirements.
I think the fact that Savannah's in Captivity rarely make it past the first 5 years of their lives is proof enough of that matter. If anyone knows of a Sav that has made it to 10 years or 20 (which is what they SHOULD make it to) and it happens to have been brought up the way the majority of Sav's are, then please please bring it to my attention!
Sav's are NOT easy pets, and anyone who buys one thinking otherwise is mistaken. And if you don't read up on your animal EVERYTHING there is to know then I think that's cruel! And I'm not just specifying that to Sav's, but EVERY animal you take into your home be it Cat, Dog, Snake, Bird or Lizard!
I'm not trying to blame you, even I have made mistakes regarding my Sav's, I'm not ashamed to admit that, the only thing you can do is make it better from now on.

So PLEASE stop being so defensive when someone tells you that what your doing is potentially wrong, don't let your ego get in the way of doing what is best for the animals you bring into your life. It's not fair to them that they have to suffer because you are not willing to do a little research.

Anyone that would like to own a Savannah monitor please read up on them. Here is a website that can provide you with the information you need about them: Savannah Monitors

Bradyloach · 03-22-12, 10:08 AM

Savannah monitors can digest rodents

its been proven by Daniel bennet. Just most people frown on it, including me. But a diet that has the occasional rodent will not do any harm, and according to Daniel bannet it does good.