Studs?

Kathy · 12-28-02, 07:55 PM

With dogs you see it all the time, a good male up for stud to people who want to breed their females but don't want to own a male. Does this happen much with snakes, BPs in particular? I want to try my hand at breeding in another year or two, and I know I dont have the room to keep a full grown male permanently. I know some of the big names lend out their snakes on breeding loan with each other, do other people do this as well?

Lisa · 12-28-02, 08:49 PM

I'm sure some are willing to do this, I think the standard "fee" is a 70/30 split of the offspring in favour of the female.

Linds · 12-28-02, 08:57 PM

Many people are willing to do breeding loans. Be it private hobbyists that only have a few in their collection or the big name breeders that have large collections. However, because of all the increased risks involved with breeding loans, you aren't likely to see snakes put up to "stud" as you would with horses or dogs, and you need to be excercise the greatest caution with such situations.

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Originally posted by Lisa
I'm sure some are willing to do this, I think the standard "fee" is a 70/30 split of the offspring in favour of the female.

Standard Canadian split is 50/50, in the states it runs 70/30...

Lisa · 12-28-02, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by Linds
Standard Canadian split is 50/50, in the states it runs 70/30...

Why the difference for canada? there being more risk to females i'd expect the owner of the female to get a better share of the snakes.

Linds · 12-28-02, 11:10 PM

I don't know... different countries do things differently...the US I guess uses the mentality that owner of female should get more due to the increased risk for the female, while I suppose Canada looks at not in terms of risk, but rather that it takes two so split the difference equally......

Tim_Cranwill · 12-28-02, 11:31 PM

I kinda think the breeder who owns the female and is incubating the eggs should get a little more of the share, but I'd be willing to split it 50/50 too.

Good luck

Jeff_Favelle · 12-29-02, 12:51 AM

What if one person owns a $17,000 Piebald and the other guy has a $300 normal female Ball? Think the hets should be split up evenly?

I don't.

Corey Woods · 12-29-02, 01:43 AM

I'll explain how breeding loans work. I was b*tched out extensively for this in the past but oh well.

If the animals are of equal value the split is 50/50. If there is an odd animal in the litter it goes to the breeder who breeds the animals and hatches the eggs.

If one of the animals are of higher value the standard split is 2/3, 1/3. The 2/3's of the clutch goes to the person with the higher valued animal and the odd one out (if there is an odd number of offspring produced) goes to the person breeding and hatching out the eggs (which is usually the person with the higher valued animal).

When I first started offering to do breeding loans with people and splitting the offspring 2/3, 1/3 people thought I was trying to rip people off. But, as Jeff said above if I'm going to take a higher valued animal and breed it to a $300 normal I'm going to get more than 50% of the clutch. If I were to offer to breed my pied male to someones normal female I maybe inclined to offer them 1 male offspring out of the clutch considering het pied males run for $2500 US (which I think is more than enough compensation for lending me a $300 female on breeding loan!!).

Breeding loans are a tricky subject and a lot of "friends" aren't friends after a breeding loan goes sour so make sure everything is worked out before the animals are exchanged. Here are some of the things you'll have to work out before hand:

If the animal on breeding loan dies in your care who is responsible for that animal? IMHO if the animal died and it was not your fault then no compensation is needed as the way I look at it if it was properly taken care of it would have died regardless of who's place it was at.

If the animals are produced is the breeder responsible to sell them and then split the cash......or are you split up the animals to do with whatever each person pleases?

When the offsping are produced when are they split up? Is the breeder responsible to get them feeding before they are split up or are they produced and then split up right away? When they are split up what happens if the sex ratio is way off......lets say 6.1????? Are they sexed before splitting them up at all??

When is the breeder animal returned?

If the breeder animal comes down with a sickness who is responsible for the vet bills?

If you would like a word of advice only do breeding loans with people you can fully trust. If by chance the animal dies, gets sick or no offspring are produced the person on the other end always feels like they are getting the shaft and they start to think you are lieing to them to try and screw them out of money.

Hope this helps,
Corey

Jeff_Favelle · 12-29-02, 03:52 AM

Exactly. I have no idea why Corey would have been chastized for this in the past. He has a better handle on it than anyone that's repsonded to the thread so far. Its never cut-and-dry. All the stuff Corey has mentioned has to be worked out BEFORE the deal is set and animals are loaned.

Trust me when I say that friendships have been broken over this kind of stuff.