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Originally Posted by ClockwerkBonnet
Actually, snakes DON'T need UVB. It won't hurt them if you use it though.
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Originally Posted by Andy_G
This is absolutely incorrect. The majority of species kept commonly in the pet trade do not, but it does benefit them if it can be offered.
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If you define “snakes don’t need UVB” as “they can survive without it for an extended period of time” you are right, but actually there are several studies telling a different story.
I participated at the “Bridging The Gap” joint event of the British Herpetological Society, the International Herpetological Society and the Advancing Herpetological Husbandry FB group a month ago. I was talking to Dr. Frances Bains and Roman Muryn (both did a long lecture about lights and their effect on our reptiles during this event) about lighting for enclosures and they told me they had found that D3-levels in blood samples of snakes kept without access to UVB where extremely low compared to snakes with access to UVB. They hinted that snakes who would only get Vitamin D3 through their (rodent) diet had just enough to live on, but the level was dangerously low compared to snakes with UVB light.
There are several papers to this subject
(1) Acierno, Mark J., et al. "Effects of ultraviolet radiation on plasma 25-hydroxyvitamin D3 concentrations in corn snakes (Elaphe guttata)." American journal of veterinary research 69.2 (2008): 294-297.
(2) Baines, Frances, et al. "How much UV-B does my reptile need? The UV-Tool, a guide to the selection of UV lighting for reptiles and amphibians in captivity." Journal of Zoo and Aquarium Research 4.1 (2016): 42.
(3) Jan H. Bos, et al. “Artificial Ultraviolet B Radiation Raises Plasma 25-HYDROXYVITAMIN D3 Concentrations In Burmese Pythons (Python bivittatus)”, Journal of Zoo and Wildlife Medicine 49(3): 810–812, 2018.
to quote just three of them.
Here is a quote from (3) about the process we are talking about
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“Vitamin D3 can be obtained from the diet or photosynthesized in the skin of most vertebrates[ ]. Photosynthesis of vitamin D3 occurs when the steroid 7-dehydrocholesterol present in the skin is converted to pre–vitamin D3 via exposure to UVb radiation (280–315 nm). The most effective wavelength for this conversion is approximately 297 nm. After this initial step, the precursor is thermally isomerized over several days to cholecalciferol, the actual vitamin D3. This vitamin binds to vitamin D binding protein, enters the bloodstream, and is hydrolyzed 25-hydroxycholecalciferol (25-OH-D3), which is considered the storage form of vitamin D and is therefore used as an indicator of vitamin D status. A second hydroxylation step takes place in the kidneys and yields the bioactive calcitriol 1,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol (1,25-OH-D3), which in turn regulates Ca and P absorption. This process is regulated by parathyroid hormone.
Both have their own significant roles: 25-OH-D3 acts as a hormone and regulates the cell division by directly or indirectly regulating cell cycling and proliferation, differentiation, and even apoptosis. 1,25-OH-D3’s main task is acting as a regulatory mechanism controlling the calcium level in blood serum. Captive reptiles often have imbalanced Ca : P ratios that are likely caused by vitamin D deficiencies, renal disease, or dietary imbalance. Whether reptiles require UVb exposure to attain a sufficient vitamin D status is currently unknown. A large variety of reptile species have increased vitamin D levels following UVb exposure, and certain species actively expose themselves to UVb radiation when they have a low dietary vitamin D3 intake.”
This study took blood samples of four Burmese pythons which had no access to UVB light previously and another blood sample after 310 days of being exposed to UVB light for 11 hours per day. The pythons could move away from the UVB light, they could choose to be under the light or avoid it. One sample was insufficient, but the three remaining samples showed a six fold increase of 25-OH-D3 concentration on average (from 39 to 244 nmol/L).
So even if our snakes get enough Vitamin D3 from their food this doesn’t affect their 25-OH-D3 and 1,25-OH-D3 blood level and that’s probably the main reason why those levels are as low as we find it in many cases.
Study (1) was about 12 adult corn snakes. All of them were kept identically, with one exception. 6 snakes were kept without supplemental lighting (group 1), 6 snakes were provided supplemental lighting (group 2). For the duration of the study the snakes were not fed for 4 weeks. As in study (3) they took a blood sample before and at the end of the study from each snake. After 28 days there was no significant increase in 25-hydroxyvitamin D3 concentration in group 1. In group 2 the plasma 25-hydroxyvitamin D3 concentration increased significantly (from 63.0 ± 36.96 nmol/L to 196 ± 16.73 nmol/L). With providing of UVB the concentration of 25-hydroxyvitamin D3 triplicated within 28 days.
Both studies showed that without providing UVB the concentration of 25-hydroxyvitamin D3 is much lower as it is in the same snakes if UVB is provided. Since it is also a hormone its function is limited if the concentration is low.
Both studies state that we don’t know yet whether this poses a significant health risk for our snakes or not. But since the snakes with access to UVB increased this concentration and snakes in the wild have even higher concentrations of 25-hydroxyvitamin D3 in their blood (Dr. Baines, personal message) it stands to reason that a higher concentration is desirable and has a positive effect for the snakes whereas low levels might not have an immediate effect for the health of our snakes, but might have long-term consequences.
There are other benefits as well. UV light is anti-bacterial and anti-fungal, so it helps reducing the bacterial and fungal load of the skin of our reptiles, even helping in better/faster healing of wounds.
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Originally Posted by craigafrechette
So, basically, if it ain't broke, why fix it?
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Craig – if we would talk about an IT issue (or any other machine) I would totally agree. If providing UVB would pose a risk for our snakes I would probably agree as well. But adding a UVB emitting fluorescent tube or metal halide lamp is neither a technical problem nor a big financial burden. The current generation of lights is safe to use if you install them accordingly (enough safety distance, heat protection etc.) and provides different levels of UVB depending on the reptile you keep. Even crepuscular or “nocturnal” animals will use them to bask during daytime, either basking with their whole body or by exposing only parts of their body.
If I know that my snakes might benefit form UVB and if it only takes (another) UVB emitting light to provide this benefit there is no question about “should I or shouldn’t I do it”. It has probably something to with our “reptile keeping philosophy”. In my experience many North American keepers have a “as-much-as-strictly-necessary” mentality (minimalistic enclosures, rack keeping), whereas many European keepers try to provide as much enrichment as possible (larger enclosures, full spectrum lights, natural look etc.). I certainly don’t want to generalize this, there are beautiful enriched enclosures in the US or Canada and minimalistic keepers here in Europe, but I think my assessment is valid anyway.
Sorry for the long rant (again), but I think this is an important issue and we can easily improve our husbandry without any major changes, just adding a light is sufficient.