Where to find the rare colubrids.

[stephanbakir]

I've been looking for a few specific colubrids for a few years now on and off, spoken to a pile of importers and a few exporters from indo, most have no idea, some claim they can get them but when it comes down to it, they have no idea.

Does anyone know where I can find either of these snakes?
Pseudoxenodon Bambusicola
Pseudoxenodon Macrops

[Corey209]

Sent you a PM with someone who is good at finding rare reptiles.

[stephanbakir]

Sent you a PM with someone who is good at finding rare reptiles.
Thanks, sent them a message.

[SpOoKy]

Have you spoken to Deadvenomx?
Not sure what she is getting up to these days but she might be of some help.

[stephanbakir]

Have you spoken to Deadvenomx?
Not sure what she is getting up to these days but she might be of some help.
Both Ashley and I are searching for these animals.

[SpOoKy]

lol, well she was my best guess :)

[Aaron_S]

She's the last person I'd ever trust...good luck...lol

[medicinhed]

Are these the same or similar to False Water Cobras?

False Water Cobras (Hydrodynastes gigas) (http://www.snakemuseum.com/rear-fanged-snakes/49-false-water-cobras.html)

[stephanbakir]

Only in the sense that they "mimic" cobras. A large percentage of colubrids flatten out their necks, vertically or horizontally. FWCs can flatten out their necks horrizontally (sorta) but can't actually lift themselves up the way a true cobra could.
As far as I know, Pseudoxenodon are the closest cobra mimic, they not only flatten out their necks much like a true naja but they can also lift themselves up like true cobras.
The snake in the photo is a Pseudoxenodon Bambusicola
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2614/4028833499_17de7be86e.jpg

[Gravelanche]

wow that thing is gorgeous *adds to shopping list*

*edit, nevermind i seem to have strayed into the venomous forum. i was ridiculously excited to see a non venomous bright red cobra looking snake :P

[Corey209]

Only in the sense that they "mimic" cobras. A large percentage of colubrids flatten out their necks, vertically or horizontally. FWCs can flatten out their necks horrizontally (sorta) but can't actually lift themselves up the way a true cobra could.
As far as I know, Pseudoxenodon are the closest cobra mimic, they not only flatten out their necks much like a true naja but they can also lift themselves up like true cobras.
The snake in the photo is a Pseudoxenodon Bambusicola


Did GBU respond?

[stephanbakir]

wow that thing is gorgeous *adds to shopping list*

*edit, nevermind i seem to have strayed into the venomous forum. i was ridiculously excited to see a non venomous bright red cobra looking snake :P
They are a rearfang colubrid, they still pack a punch if you let them chew and anaphylaxis is still a real threat. Even if you aren't allergic, repeat exposure to the venom be either being bitten or breathing in particles in the air could increase your sensitivity.

False water cobras fall into the same boat, but at least Gigas do well in captivity, Pseudos are extremely fragile and are almost guaranteed to die in captivity if you don't take extreme care of them AND get lucky. I'd love to get my hands on a few and try and keep them alive, and if not, keep them alive long enough to try breeding them. Just to see if CB babies do better. They are a truly stunning species.

I have a local trying to sell me Rhabdophis Subminiatus babies (WC) that are well started, but I'm seriously considering turning him down as the antivenin is incredibly difficult to find and their bites have proven fatal (even though they are not prone to biting, and half the photos of them are in peoples hands, it's a big risk)http://www.khoahoc.com.vn/photos/image/022013/07/Rhabdophissubminiatus.jpg

http://www.siamensis.org/sites/default/files/rhabdophis_subminiatus.jpg?1290279936

[stephanbakir]

May also be interested to know that the red-necked keelback is both poisonous and venomous.

[Ivanator]

Only in the sense that they "mimic" cobras. A large percentage of colubrids flatten out their necks, vertically or horizontally. FWCs can flatten out their necks horrizontally (sorta) but can't actually lift themselves up the way a true cobra could.
As far as I know, Pseudoxenodon are the closest cobra mimic, they not only flatten out their necks much like a true naja but they can also lift themselves up like true cobras.
The snake in the photo is a Pseudoxenodon Bambusicola
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2614/4028833499_17de7be86e.jpg

WOW! I didn't even know that there were false cobra's out there that actually stood up when they hood. I thought they all just layed flat like hognoses and false water cobras.

I researched this snake after seeing it here and was wondering, what exactly makes some of these snakes so sensitive to captivity? I read that they're obligate amphibian feeders and like cooler temps, but aren't there a bunch of snakes out there that are the same and still thrive in captivity?

[Akuma223]

One day I am likely to try and get some training under a venomous keeper so I can get these more dangerous snakes as my own. Rear fanged snakes really interest me.

[stephanbakir]

They stress really easy, and because they are WC they generally get abused while in transport and by whoever catches them, then transports them, then stores them, then sells them etc etc etc... they change hands quite a bit, same with most if not all WCs

[TheTaipan]

Pseudoxenodon Bambusicola-China

[stephanbakir]

Yes please....

[Freebody]

i seen a false water cobra for sale on reptile Canada a few months back if you search you could most likely come across who had it and ask. if you do find some CB babies, please post me, I would love to get one or 2 later when I have some extra cash kicking around. I think the pic of the red one you posted is a PSEUDOXENODON STEJNEGERI

[stephanbakir]

False water cobras don't interest me, if I wanted one of those I'd go to Ashley though, she breeds stunning FWC's.

I found a guy with pseudoxenodon but he charges 500 a head for Wc, minimum 10,000 orders....

[smy_749]

False water cobras don't interest me, if I wanted one of those I'd go to Ashley though, she breeds stunning FWC's.

I found a guy with pseudoxenodon but he charges 500 a head for Wc, minimum 10,000 orders....

Thats good news, whats the problem? You don't have 5 million dollars to spend on one species? Amateur....

Did you get my pm?