Identifying true red tail?

[Philmul]

I no my red tail is a bci and I no about the pattern looking like bats on the bcc but when they say bci has a cross on head and bcc has a straight line I can't see the cross on mine tho does anyone no anything else that identifies them.

[BarelyBreathing]

Please try to use proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Your post is very difficult to read.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Translated, BB:I know my red tail is a BCI, and I know about the pattern looking like bats on the BCCs. But when they say BCI has a cross on head and the BCC has a straight line, I can't see the cross on mine. Does anyone know anything else that identifies them?Seriously, dude, you gotta work on that. I hope English isn't your first language.

~Maggot

[moshirimon]

I don't think every bci has a cross on their head. And every bcc head pattern is the same. Its not too hard to tell after u learn more about boas. Not all bccs have bat saddles either. These specific points or characteristics arenrt always 100% accurate

[SnakeyJay]

There's pointers but as has been said its not 100%... Best thing is experience in seeing both and research.

[Corey209]

Translated, BB:Seriously, dude, you gotta work on that. I hope English isn't your first language.

~Maggot

Please try to use proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Your post is very difficult to read.

I'm sure he knows his English isn't good.. It's not hard to understand his sentence.

[Philmul]

I'm sorry. I can spell very good English . It's what you would call text language over here. But even my 5 yr old daughter can read it. I will spell properly from now on though. Thanks for the replies. How can I do proper research when all I see on the Internet is forums that say the same thing, I.e eye brows, line on the head and the markings.

[Philmul]

Translated, BB:Seriously, dude, you gotta work on that. I hope English isn't your first language.

~Maggot

Lol "gotta" is not a proper word either dude!

[KORBIN5895]

Please try to use proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Your post is very difficult to read.

Translated, BB:Seriously, dude, you gotta work on that. I hope English isn't your first language.

~Maggot

Wow.... you two should piss off. He usually has proper grammar and solid posts.

I'm sorry. I can spell very good English . It's what you would call text language over here. But even my 5 yr old daughter can read it. I will spell properly from now on though. Thanks for the replies. How can I do proper research when all I see on the Internet is forums that say the same thing, I.e eye brows, line on the head and the markings.

I honestly can't tell you how to know. I just look and know it's a bci. I am terrible with bcc locality.

[Corey209]

Wow.... you two should piss off. He usually has proper grammar and solid posts.



I honestly can't tell you how to know. I just look and know it's a bci. I am terrible with bcc locality.

You can usually just tell by the colors of the saddles, but sometimes that isn't always true. And I wouldn't go by head markings because I think the jungle morph does something to it.

[Ridge Runner_20]

You can usually just tell by the colors of the saddles, but sometimes that isn't always true. And I wouldn't go by head markings because I think the jungle morph does something to it.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't 99% of all morph boas BCI? I believe I can recall seeing an occasional BCC albino, but I can't recall ever hearing of a BCC jungle, paradox, sterling, etc.

As for BCC ID, it will also depend on which BCC locality. A Peruvian will look very different than a Suriname/Guyana, which in turn looks different than a northern Brazilian. As has been stated, much comes down to plain old experience. No substitute for that...

RR_20 (Mike)

[KORBIN5895]

You can usually just tell by the colors of the saddles, but sometimes that isn't always true. And I wouldn't go by head markings because I think the jungle morph does something to it.

Can you please stop posting? Are so bloody oblivious. Go make some friends at the park or something.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't 99% of all morph boas BCI? I believe I can recall seeing an occasional BCC albino, but I can't recall ever hearing of a BCC jungle, paradox, sterling, etc.

As for BCC ID, it will also depend on which BCC locality. A Peruvian will look very different than a Suriname/Guyana, which in turn looks different than a northern Brazilian. As has been stated, much comes down to plain old experience. No substitute for that...

RR_20 (Mike)

Pretty much all morphs are locality based. Pretty much all of them are bci. There are a couple of bcc morphs ( I think type two anery may be bcc but I'm not sure so you should check yourself).

Thanks for reiterating the fact that a bcc localities vary greatly in looks. Apparently the more unlearned missed my point.

[BarelyBreathing]

I'm sure he knows his English isn't good.. It's not hard to understand his sentence.

By difficult, I mean annoying.

[BarelyBreathing]

I'm sorry. I can spell very good English . It's what you would call text language over here. But even my 5 yr old daughter can read it. I will spell properly from now on though. Thanks for the replies. How can I do proper research when all I see on the Internet is forums that say the same thing, I.e eye brows, line on the head and the markings.


Thank you.

[Ridge Runner_20]

Thanks for reiterating the fact that a bcc localities vary greatly in looks. Apparently the more unlearned missed my point.

Where did you ONCE state that BCC localities vary greatly in looks? Your grand contribution to this thread is telling two other members to "piss off" and stating you are "terrible" with BCC locality. Unlearned? How about taking a look in the mirror, pal. Screw this. I'm done here.

Via con dios...

RR_20 (Mike)

[KORBIN5895]

Where did you ONCE state that BCC localities vary greatly in looks? Your grand contribution to this thread is telling two other members to "piss off" and stating you are "terrible" with BCC locality. Unlearned? How about taking a look in the mirror, pal. Screw this. I'm done here.

Via con dios...

RR_20 (Mike)

Who the hell pissed in you Cheerios? I said thank you for reiterating ( probably should've said expanding) this:

. I am terrible with bcc locality.

Yes I told them to piss off. They jumped a guy that has put up some serious questions and solid posts. I have never seen this guy use poor English other than this time. I recommend pulling in your horns.

The unlearned one is Corey209 that runs around giving bad info. Now run along because I no longer care what you say.

[SnakeyJay]

You can usually just tell by the colors of the saddles, but sometimes that isn't always true. And I wouldn't go by head markings because I think the jungle morph does something to it.

Serious info regurge there mate... Stick to giving advice on a sp. that you have ANY experience with.

[Wyldrose]

Serious info regurge there mate... Stick to giving advice on a sp. that you have ANY experience with.
But Cory209 had a boa for what 2 months? That makes him an expert right?
Sorry couldn't resits :)
Some people just love posting because it's fun to post! Not to mention how cool it makes you look!!

[KORBIN5895]

But Cory209 had a boa for what 2 months? That makes him an expert right?
Sorry couldn't resits :)
Some people just love posting because it's fun to post! Not to mention how cool it makes you look!!

Plus one on the entire post.

[SnakeyJay]

But Cory209 had a boa for what 2 months? That makes him an expert right?
Sorry couldn't resits :)
Some people just love posting because it's fun to post! Not to mention how cool it makes you look!!

Exactly my point.. Unsuccessful experience but still feels the need to advise others.. Watch out, he will be advising when the next noob asks " what's a good first hot" lmao :)

[Philmul]

[QUOTE=KORBIN5895;800933]Wow.... you two should piss off. He usually has proper grammar and solid posts.

Thanks. yes normally spell properly but was rushing out and wanted to ask the question before I forgot. I am no expert I have only had my boa since August but since then been like a sponge. Soaking up all the research. I find this forum to be the best so far. Thanks for all the answers

[Philmul]

By difficult, I mean annoying.

I understand. I say the same to my friends when they text but they are a lot worse.

[BarelyBreathing]

Well I definitely appreciate you not taking offense to that.

[Corey209]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't 99% of all morph boas BCI? I believe I can recall seeing an occasional BCC albino, but I can't recall ever hearing of a BCC jungle, paradox, sterling, etc.

As for BCC ID, it will also depend on which BCC locality. A Peruvian will look very different than a Suriname/Guyana, which in turn looks different than a northern Brazilian. As has been stated, much comes down to plain old experience. No substitute for that...

RR_20 (Mike)

I don't know of any BCC morphs but I was meaning that If you want to identify using head markings that maybe could cause interference from something like the jungle morph. Just a theory.

Can you please stop posting? Are so bloody oblivious. Go make some friends at the park or something.



Pretty much all morphs are locality based. Pretty much all of them are bci. There are a couple of bcc morphs ( I think type two anery may be bcc but I'm not sure so you should check yourself).

Thanks for reiterating the fact that a bcc localities vary greatly in looks. Apparently the more unlearned missed my point.

Korbin, what did I say wrong? Saddle colors on BCI and BCC are normally different because BCC has more of a bright red while BCI has more brown. I've never said anything negative towards you but seriously screw off.


"boa constrictor constrictor BOAS------- Boa c. Constrictor
Very prime in appearance. Arrow shaped head. Color sheme. Saddle pattern. Scale count and peaking. And ofcoarse there bright TRUE red tail."

"boa constrictor imperator BOAS----Boa c. Imperator
More tan. Specific tone that can't be missed. Fawnish. If that makes sence. Head shape. Not as arrowhead like. Over all size. Full grown specimens are recorded to be smaller than there boa constrictor constrictor cousin."

[KORBIN5895]

I don't know of any BCC morphs but I was meaning that If you want to identify using head markings that maybe could cause interference from something like the jungle morph. Just a theory.



Korbin, what did I say wrong? Saddle colors on BCI and BCC are normally different because BCC has more of a bright red while BCI has more brown. I've never said anything negative towards you but seriously screw off.


"boa constrictor constrictor BOAS------- Boa c. Constrictor
Very prime in appearance. Arrow shaped head. Color sheme. Saddle pattern. Scale count and peaking. And ofcoarse there bright TRUE red tail."

"boa constrictor imperator BOAS----Boa c. Imperator
More tan. Specific tone that can't be missed. Fawnish. If that makes sence. Head shape. Not as arrowhead like. Over all size. Full grown specimens are recorded to be smaller than there boa constrictor constrictor cousin."

Like mentioned several times in several threads you are regurgitating info that you don't know. You haven't got two clues on what you are saying . I am not the only one to notice nor am I the only one to call you out on your constipation of the brain and diarrhea of the mouth.

Now since you think you are so well educated in this please tell me how many jungles you have. Please tell me two of the basic three characteristics of the jungle morph. Also tell me why people are so interested in the jungle morph. Also since you are so well versed please tell us what issue a hypo x jungle breeding creates. They are all basic answers. So please inform us.

We shall be waiting with abated breath for your infinite wisdom on this subject.

[Corey209]

Like mentioned several times in several threads you are regurgitating info that you don't know. You haven't got two clues on what you are saying . I am not the only one to notice nor am I the only one to call you out on your constipation of the brain and diarrhea of the mouth.

Now since you think you are so well educated in this please tell me how many jungles you have. Please tell me two of the basic three characteristics of the jungle morph. Also tell me why people are so interested in the jungle morph. Also since you are so well versed please tell us what issue a hypo x jungle breeding creates. They are all basic answers. So please inform us.

We shall be waiting with abated breath for your infinite wisdom on this subject.

I've only said some basic stuff that helps with identifying that are known facts. I know that the jungle morph gives the snake an aberrant pattern and that the line on the head is usually broken. The only thing I know about hypo x jungle is that they keep the aberrant pattern but the saddles are darker outlined which hypos don't have.

[KORBIN5895]

I've only said some basic stuff that helps with identifying that are known facts. I know that the jungle morph gives the snake an aberrant pattern and that the line on the head is usually broken. The only thing I know about hypo x jungle is that they keep the aberrant pattern but the saddles are darker outlined which hypos don't have.

Lol. Actually hypo jungles tend to have a reduced pattern which makes it hard to tell which are jungles. They are both color enhancing morphs which also makes it hard to tell which have the jungle gene.

There are five characteristics people look for in jungle. Elongated or linked saddles. Holes or keys in those saddles. Enhanced color , eyebrows and the head line is usually broken up. You don't need all five to be a jungle.

Now do you know how I know this? I listened to what people working with them say. I actually converse with these people. I ask questions and ask for examples. I don't tell them what i think i know. I just shut up and listened.

That's where you are on this stage of your hobby. You need to shut up and learn before you try to teach. You are being called out on your foolishness in four or five threads now and it isn't just by me. Even some of our nicest people are tired of it and speaking up. Then you come up with an asinine comment about them being breeders and shouldn't own them. I know a forum that would love to have you and your vast knowledge of nothing. Pm and I will send you the site where you can go help those sick and dying animals further along the path of death.

[Corey209]

Lol. Actually hypo jungles tend to have a reduced pattern which makes it hard to tell which are jungles. They are both color enhancing morphs which also makes it hard to tell which have the jungle gene.

There are five characteristics people look for in jungle. Elongated or linked saddles. Holes or keys in those saddles. Enhanced color , eyebrows and the head line is usually broken up. You don't need all five to be a jungle.

Now do you know how I know this? I listened to what people working with them say. I actually converse with these people. I ask questions and ask for examples. I don't tell them what i think i know. I just shut up and listened.

That's where you are on this stage of your hobby. You need to shut up and learn before you try to teach. You are being called out on your foolishness in four or five threads now and it isn't just by me. Even some of our nicest people are tired of it and speaking up. Then you come up with an asinine comment about them being breeders and shouldn't own them. I know a forum that would love to have you and your vast knowledge of nothing. Pm and I will send you the site where you can go help those sick and dying animals further along the path of death.

"Elongated or linked saddles" Like I said aberrant pattern, I did not know about the holes or enhanced color though. I remember when I bought my boa I had thought it was a jungle so I asked on a boa forum if it was or not and they linked me this > What makes a "Jungle" a "Jungle"? (http://www.redtailboas.com/f18/what-makes-jungle-jungle-44727/)

About the comment, I was told that I shouldn't be trading my animals around and I gave a reply which was not foolish in anyway.

[Gungirl]

Corey.. you really need to take a step back and learn more before you post information. Some stuff you are telling people is very false and it could cause a lot of confusion. This thread isn't that bad but you are still very wrong in 98% of what you say. Other threads you are simply going to kill someones animal with poor husbandry information if you don't stop. Some noob is going to believe you and cook their snake ..... ugh

[Corey209]

Corey.. you really need to take a step back and learn more before you post information. Some stuff you are telling people is very false and it could cause a lot of confusion. This thread isn't that bad but you are still very wrong in 98% of what you say. Other threads you are simply going to kill someones animal with poor husbandry information if you don't stop. Some noob is going to believe you and cook their snake ..... ugh

I already made an agreement with Korbin about how I will start posting. I'm going to stick to showing off my pets, only saying what I know 100% and enthusiasm.

[Jay]

Thank God.

[KORBIN5895]

Thank God.

No worries. I will pm you my PayPal address.;)

[SnakeyJay]

About time...

[Philmul]

Lol you guys make me laugh. So if I exclude the info off Corey. What's the most obvious ways to tell the difference between them both?

[Jay]

In today's trade, it's almost impossible. Especially since comon boas are labled as rtb's 99% of the time.

A pure bcc, will show a deep red tail, "batman" like saddles, and a slight pink hue throughout the body.

[BarelyBreathing]

The color of the tail. True red tails will have a very deep, red tail.

[Terranaut]

I already made an agreement with Korbin about how I will start posting. I'm going to stick to showing off my pets, only saying what I know 100% and enthusiasm.

If you know something from experience post it. Don't google it then post what it says. This site has much better data than ask.com. lets keep it that way. If we want google we will google.

[Jay]

I just read your op, it's contradicting.

"I know my Rtb is a bci"

A Rtb can't be a bci.

[BarelyBreathing]

A red tail is a BCC, not a BCI, however the pet trade has muddied that for a lot of keepers/potential keepers/media/etc.

[DeesBalls]

just do your own research and listen to some of the veteran members on here who specializes in boas...

also when did this become an English forum?

[DeesBalls]

Corey.. you really need to take a step back and learn more before you post information. Some stuff you are telling people is very false and it could cause a lot of confusion. This thread isn't that bad but you are still very wrong in 98% of what you say. Other threads you are simply going to kill someones animal with poor husbandry information if you don't stop. Some noob is going to believe you and cook their snake ..... ugh

i agree- as you tried to help me out in another post, just learn a bit more :) nothing wrong with trying to help, just need to be careful you dont pass out wrong info, since we here are all trying to help everyone and avoid being like google, wiki, ect..... take what they are all telling you as advice and not as a bashing... i am just now starting to post "helpful" posts, rather than just showing off my animals, and asking questions like i use to.. it takes time man, just hang in there - everyone here is trying to help even though they come off as mean, or rude... but sometimes, being dry and straight to the point is the most helpful..

:)

[Jay]

A red tail is a BCC, not a BCI, however the pet trade has muddied that for a lot of keepers/potential keepers/media/etc.

I wouldn't put all the blame on the pet trade.

[Wyldrose]

I wouldn't put all the blame on the pet trade.
True my girl was sold to me as a RTB BCI from the breeder. It seems like the "red tail" has become the not so scary trade name.

Boa constrictors are a scary snake, they grow 43 feet long and eat people. While red tails boas are cute, cuddly and love bubble baths!! Yay!!

It's like what is happening with the Pit bulls now, there is an insane bylaw here regarding pit's, but if you call it an American Bull dog or a staffy, its cuter, wont eat your face off and doesnt have the restrictions.

Gotta love sterotypes! I can't tell you how many times I get asked if my cornsnakes are venomus(they usually ask if they are Posionus)....


Editied to add: Don't give your boa's bubble baths that was meant to be sarcasim :)

[EmbraceCalamity]

True my girl was sold to me as a RTB BCI from the breeder. It seems like the "red tail" has become the not so scary trade name.

Boa constrictors are a scary snake, they grow 43 feet long and eat people. While red tails boas are cute, cuddly and love bubble baths!! Yay!!

It's like what is happening with the Pit bulls now, there is an insane bylaw here regarding pit's, but if you call it an American Bull dog or a staffy, its cuter, wont eat your face off and doesnt have the restrictions.

Gotta love sterotypes! I can't tell you how many times I get asked if my cornsnakes are venomus(they usually ask if they are Posionus)....


Editied to add: Don't give your boa's bubble baths that was meant to be sarcasim :)I've noticed that with Pitties too. I've liked a lot of shelters and rescues on Facebook, and occasionally I see an American Pit Bull Terrier labeled as a "Bulldog," and I'm just like...no, no. But I guess it's for the dog's own good. They're more likely to be adopted and less likely to be euthanised.

I like to give my turtle bubble baths. =o

~Maggot

[BarelyBreathing]

occasionally I see an American Pit Bull Terrier labeled as a "Bulldog,"

~Maggot

Or lab mixes.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Or lab mixes.Oh, yeah, that too, quite a lot.

~Maggot

[Philmul]

I just read your op, it's contradicting.

"I know my Rtb is a bci"

A Rtb can't be a bci.

Lol I see your point I mean my common boa. It's just I was used to calling it a red tail boa as that's what they said it was in the shop. But then I have heard people say there are red tails and true red tails. Which i now know is just stupid That's why I came to you guys for advise.

[Jendee]

wow this thread is sad lol Im a bit nervous about being "back" reading a thread like this. To the OP I could understand you perfectly!! we aren't writing the bible here, relax ppl!!

bcc boas are much bigger, harder to keep harder to breed, much more feisty! they have long slender heads, have a lower saddle count, batman type saddles a huge red tail, very clean and contrasty. most bcc breeders pride themselves in having a true blood animal. youll find some newbies crossing bcc with bcis. in some cases this is a good thing to add color and clean pattern to a color bci project, but these animals are sold as morphs and the big bcc guys frown on it lol bcis are much harder easy animals to keep generally have more saddles and your average "normal" bci wont be nearly as stunning less controlled saddle/pattern...darker color smaller size. ill post pics. when looking to see if your boa could be a bcc/bci cross I generally look at head shape, saddle structure(look for peaks) and overall color examples:
this is a bcc head, what I use to tell best:
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg283/cpblsoup/bcc_zps3e7f42a6.jpg
bci head:
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg283/cpblsoup/boa_zpsd7b897d5.jpg
bcc body keep in mind this is a pure animal, a lot of examples are not this nice due to people cross breeding with bci morphs:
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg283/cpblsoup/bcc2_zpsd364c078.jpg
bci normal:
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg283/cpblsoup/normal_zps6d29645c.jpg
this is a 25% bcc, sharp albino (bci) morph that I own, this is a cross lol but if you take note of overall contrast and his sharp pattern you can definitely see the bcc influence:
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg283/cpblsoup/albino_zpscb23782c.jpg

hope that helps. to spot the difference and to call out a mutt just takes you looking at a lot of pics and learning what the differences are by eye :) your welcome to post your boa I would be glad to try and help out

[Philmul]

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I have been told this is a bci and I can see that with the pics I've seen comparing them. Thanks Jendee that was a very clear way of explaining my original question. You have lovely snakes.

[Jay]

[QUOTE=Philmul;802701]22003

I have been told this is a bci and I can see that with the pics I've seen comparing them. Thanks Jendee that was a very clear way of explaining my original question. You have lovely

[Mark Taylor]

Nice boa Phil.