Our New Addition

[JoleneVissers]

We got these 2 tonight. I went into the store only wanting 1 and walked out with 2. As you can see Stubby doesn't have a tail so of course I felt bad for "him" after a little sweet talking to the manager I got him for free since no one else wanted "him" (not 100% of the sex).

[EmbraceCalamity]

Awwww, so pretty! It's so sad to see ones without the tails. Their prehensile tails are the coolest things. Hate seeing them gone. :(

~Maggot

[JoleneVissers]

I felt bad when I seem stubbie so instead of going Christmas shopping and just looking for dog treats I walked out of there with 2 crested and a starter kit lol. Needless to say the Christmas shopping never got done lol

[Charis]

Very nice! How big are they? The one with a tail looks like a boy and the other female, but that depends on how big they are.

[JoleneVissers]

Their bodies are about 3 inches long. They were the 2 biggest ones there.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Careful housing them together. If they're both male, you'll end up with some nasty fights. If one's male and one's female, you'll end up with babies, and you won't really be able to sell them because of the unknown genetics.

How familiar are you with their care? I ask just because you said you left with a "starter kit," and sometimes those things are a bit dodgy.

~Maggot

[JoleneVissers]

I read up on their before I got them, I was thinking about getting geckos and I knew I didn't want to get a Leo since I live an hour away from the pet store and wouldn't be able to drive up every week to get crickets. The start kit had the thank, plantation soil, dish, plant, vine, bulbs, compact hood, and the background. I got them crested gecko diet, and the pet store guy said they can have baby food but I read online that it isn't the greatest thing to give them so I didn't bother getting them any of that.

[EmbraceCalamity]

I read up on their before I got them, I was thinking about getting geckos and I knew I didn't want to get a Leo since I live an hour away from the pet store and wouldn't be able to drive up every week to get crickets. The start kit had the thank, plantation soil, dish, plant, vine, bulbs, compact hood, and the background. I got them crested gecko diet, and the pet store guy said they can have baby food but I read online that it isn't the greatest thing to give them so I didn't bother getting them any of that.Yeah, don't get baby food. Also, don't listen to the pet store people. I was told to give them baby food, and mine died. Baby food has preservatives that are dangerous for geckos - well, every animal, really, but humans have a better tolerance. Plus it's very high in sugar.

But the problem is that you have only one tank - and how big is it? Unless both of these are females, you'll need to separate them. They look old enough (imo) to sex, but you'd need the opinion of someone who's more familiar with cresties than I. Can you post pics of their undersides?

Also, you'll need a digital thermometer and hygrometer, otherwise you'll have no idea what temps and humidity levels are.

~Maggot

[JoleneVissers]

The tank is 18"L x 18" W x 24"H. I can get pics of their under side as soon as I'm done feeding snakes. I already have a thermometer in there as well as a hygrometer, picked those up as well tonight.

[EmbraceCalamity]

The tank is 18"L x 18" W x 24"H. I can get pics of their under side as soon as I'm done feeding snakes. I already have a thermometer in there as well as a hygrometer, picked those up as well tonight.That's 33 gallons. If they're both females, that'll be fine, but if they're any other combo, you're gonna have to separate them.

Are they digital? They're the only accurate ones.

~Maggot

[JoleneVissers]

The Hydrometer is not digital but the Thermometer is. I tired to get photos but The camera isn't wanting to work right. I'll have to use my cell in the morning.

[EmbraceCalamity]

The Hydrometer is not digital but the Thermometer is. I tired to get photos but The camera isn't wanting to work right. I'll have to use my cell in the morning.You can buy combo ones pretty cheap at Home Depot and such, according to Infernalis. I assume you know about temps and humidity levels and whatnot?

~Maggot

[JoleneVissers]

Daytime temp of 72-78 degrees with 60% humidity and a night time temp of 65-70 degrees with 60-80% humidity? Is it better to mist at night since that's when they are most active?

[EmbraceCalamity]

Daytime temp of 72-78 degrees with 60% humidity and a night time temp of 65-70 degrees with 60-80% humidity? Is it better to mist at night since that's when they are most active?I'm not a crestie expert, but that sounds find to me. If you have any questions, GeckoForums.net (http://www.geckoforums.net/) would be a good place to go.

~Maggot

[KORBIN5895]

They are supposed to have been a sexes pair. I am going to bust Joe's nuts for not giving the stub tail to me. I had looked at them a couple of months back when I got my red eyes. Do you look at the used tank section?

[totheend]

Awwww, so pretty! It's so sad to see ones without the tails. Their prehensile tails are the coolest things. Hate seeing them gone. :(

~Maggot

They do just fine without their tails :D

[EmbraceCalamity]

They do just fine without their tails :DOh, I know they do. I just really like them. :)

~Maggot

[totheend]

I kinda prefer the tail-less variety ;) I think they look like teddy bears with out the tail.

[EmbraceCalamity]

I kinda prefer the tail-less variety ;) I think they look like teddy bears with out the tail.I guess I could see that. I prefer the tails though. And I always feel bad for the ones who've lost their tails.

~Maggot

[JoleneVissers]

Yeah, we were going to get one of the used ones then he said if we got the kit then we got stubbie for free and the other half price. It actually worked out cheaper getting the brand new kit since it was on special

[alessia55]

Sweet. Congrats on your new geckos :)

[beardeds4life]

If they are male and female if you wanted to breed them you wouldnt have to separate them but I advise it. You could also put in a divider until you get a new cage.

[JoleneVissers]

I put the male in a 36x12x18 container for now so he has lots of room. I am not wanting to breed them. I don't want to take one back to the store because the other ones are a lot smaller than these 2

[KORBIN5895]

Just throw the eggs away then.

[JoleneVissers]

Just throw the eggs away then.

I could do that. I will see what mark wants to do when I get off work.

[totheend]

Is there a reason why you don't want babies?

[EmbraceCalamity]

I could do that. I will see what mark wants to do when I get off work.If I were you, I'd ask for suggestions on that other forum I posted. Not because it's better than this forum, but it's a gecko-specific forum with a lot of people who own and breed cresties. I know I've heard some horror stories from males and females being kept together and the males trying to breed with the female when she doesn't want to, so I don't think I'd personally ever do it, but I'm not a crestie expert like other people there, and I know of many who keep them together - maybe only for breeding purposes, though. I'm not sure.Is there a reason why you don't want babies?Cresties are way overbred. Plus with the unknown genetics of these, trying to sell the babies would be pretty much useless. I hope the OP sees the severe lack of need to breed these two that I do.

~Maggot

[totheend]

I was just curious. People here still breed them and they are still selling.

[EmbraceCalamity]

I was just curious. People here still breed them and they are still selling.I was at a show just a few weeks ago, and I heard the lady running it complain that she had to turn gecko people away because she really didn't need any more. There were already too many. Maybe it's different in Canada, but here, there are way more cresties than there are homes. Granted, the high-end, genetically superior ones still sell, but random pet store crestie babies aren't any good to the hobby.

~Maggot

[KORBIN5895]

I was at a show just a few weeks ago, and I heard the lady running it complain that she had to turn gecko people away because she really didn't need any more. There were already too many. Maybe it's different in Canada, but here, there are way more cresties than there are homes. Granted, the high-end, genetically superior ones still sell, but random pet store crestie babies aren't any good to the hobby.

~Maggot

Yeah the Canadian market is way different.

There is a certain boa morph that sold for $1800 up here this year but went for $750-$1200 in the states.

[JoleneVissers]

Is there a reason why you don't want babies?

I honestly wouldn't care if they bread however if that happens I don't want to be stuck with a bunch of baby geckos and no where to sell them.

Plus the boyfriend already goes on enough about how we have to many pets as it is. I don't think 2 snakes, 2 geckos and a dog was very many. I may have to get him a few snakes he like to make him come around again.

But I will go on the forum and see what people think there. I do know I haven't found to many cresties in my area. I only know of one breeder and they are about 5 hours away.

[totheend]

Yes Cresties still sell in Canada.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Yes Cresties still sell in Canada.IMO, just because something can be bred and will (might) sell, that doesn't necessarily mean it should be bred. Breeding should be done to better the breed or species, not just to make a quick buck. No offense to the OP's cresties, but there really isn't a need for genetically obscure cresties. They're very pretty, but if a person just wants a regular crestie and aren't concerned with genetics, I'd imagine they could probably just go to a pet store (assuming they sell them at pet stores there). And if they are concerned with genetics, they will get them from high end breeders.

That's just my two cents though. Under most circumstances, I'm pretty anti-breeding.

~Maggot

[beardeds4life]

Cresties still sell here to. Do you really think that if breeders were sitting on a bunch of babies every that they would still breed that many? I agree that there are to many but not that they don't sell here. Personally I would not keep them together. Especially if you are just going to freeze the eggs. It would be better to freeze the eggs though rather than hatch them and not have homes for them. The majority of the time that the female attacks the male is if the person is only housing 1 male and 1 female together. By housing 3 females and a male together you greatly reduce the risk. But then you would have triple the babies.

Personally I think it would be smartest to just buy another setup. Then if you really want another gecko get a female keep it with the current female.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Cresties still sell here to. Do you really think that if breeders were sitting on a bunch of babies every that they would still breed that many? I agree that there are to many but not that they don't sell here. Personally I would not keep them together. Especially if you are just going to freeze the eggs. It would be better to freeze the eggs though rather than hatch them and not have homes for them. The majority of the time that the female attacks the male is if the person is only housing 1 male and 1 female together. By housing 3 females and a male together you greatly reduce the risk. But then you would have triple the babies.

Personally I think it would be smartest to just buy another setup. Then if you really want another gecko get a female keep it with the current female.No one said cresties don't sell here. But pet store crestie babies don't sell very well and are generally suggested to not be bred.

Another potential issue is that, when these two do breed, the female will be too young. She might be physically capable, but it won't be healthy for her, which could result in health issues later in life. Kind of like a 13 year old having a baby.

~Maggot

[beardeds4life]

I agree hat it would be unhealthy. Btw I am pretty sure you are technically not supposed to link to other forums because it is considered advertising other forums.

[totheend]

Genetically obscure cresties? Aren't they all? LOL

[EmbraceCalamity]

Genetically obscure cresties? Aren't they all? LOLNot really. I know people who have owned the generations of cresties they produced for years and years and years. They have babies whose great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents were born with them, so they know pretty damn well what's in their genes. Aa opposed to these two, whose genetics the OP has no idea of. Doesn't even know what the parents looked like. Hell, they could be from the same clutch.I agree hat it would be unhealthy. Btw I am pretty sure you are technically not supposed to link to other forums because it is considered advertising other forums.That's nice.

~Maggot

[totheend]

Really it wasn't that long ago that cresties were new to the hobby...all wild caught. So really all cresties are the same. I agree that breeding selection has produced some superior looking babies, but not superior in any other way.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Really it wasn't that long ago that cresties were new to the hobby...all wild caught. So really all cresties are the same. I agree that breeding selection has produced some superior looking babies, but not superior in any other way.All cresties are the same? Heh. Okay. :)

~Maggot

[totheend]

What do you mean by they are not? I stated there are superior looking cresties....but in what other way?? Please enlighten me?

[EmbraceCalamity]

What do you mean by they are not? I stated there are superior looking cresties....but in what other way?? Please enlighten me?It's alright. Don't worry about it.

PS: "Obscure" does not mean "inferior."

~Maggot

[totheend]

Whatever, either way they would be fine pets.

[KORBIN5895]

IMO, just because something can be bred and will (might) sell, that doesn't necessarily mean it should be bred. Breeding should be done to better the breed or species, not just to make a quick buck. No offense to the OP's cresties, but there really isn't a need for genetically obscure cresties. They're very pretty, but if a person just wants a regular crestie and aren't concerned with genetics, I'd imagine they could probably just go to a pet store (assuming they sell them at pet stores there). And if they are concerned with genetics, they will get them from high end breeders.

That's just my two cents though. Under most circumstances, I'm pretty anti-breeding.

~Maggot

This is asinine and your logic is broken. Basically what you just said is that cresties should only be bred for cool morphs and that people should just go to a pet store for a normal crestie... wow.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Whatever, either way they would be fine pets.I never said they wouldn't be. I'm sure they'd produce cute offspring (since when isn't a crestie cute, really?) and they'd make fine pets.This is asinine and your logic is broken. Basically what you just said is that cresties should only be bred for cool morphs and that people should just go to a pet store for a normal crestie... wow.Not quite, but whatever floats your boat. I won't argue with you anymore, hun. Frankly, I'm tired of it, and I know everyone else is too. You go ahead and keep trying though.

~Maggot

[JoleneVissers]

Ok for one I am wondering how a pet store crested gecko is really that different than a breeder gecko. The only thing I can really think of is if they carry morph genes which I assume would be a good thing if they bread out morphs.
Further more if I choose to breed and sell them no matter what they are they are still a crested geckos regardless if they are from a pet store or breeder. You can't take a leg less lizard and say its a snake or take a ball python and say its a boa.
I also like to point out that "mudding" the blood lines isn't all that bad. It prevents genetic defects caused by the lines being to pure, yes that is possible. We do it at my job all the time to make sure we have salmon that won't have genetic issues.

[KORBIN5895]

I never said they wouldn't be. I'm sure they'd produce cute offspring (since when isn't a crestie cute, really?) and they'd make fine pets.Not quite, but whatever floats your boat. I won't argue with you anymore, hun. Frankly, I'm tired of it, and I know everyone else is too. You go ahead and keep trying though.

~Maggot

I wonder why every time I disagree with you or point out you made a stupid or baseless comment you automatically revert to " I'm not arguing with you hun".?

Ok for one I am wondering how a pet store crested gecko is really that different than a breeder gecko. The only thing I can really think of is if they carry morph genes which I assume would be a good thing if they bread out morphs.
Further more if I choose to breed and sell them no matter what they are they are still a crested geckos regardless if they are from a pet store or breeder. You can't take a leg less lizard and say its a snake or take a ball python and say its a boa.
I also like to point out that "mudding" the blood lines isn't all that bad. It prevents genetic defects caused by the lines being to pure, yes that is possible. We do it at my job all the time to make sure we have salmon that won't have genetic issues.

There isn't a difference. Where do people think Jeremy Stone and Bob Clark started? Sis they start with some special snakes? Nope they started with wc normal imports.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Ok for one I am wondering how a pet store crested gecko is really that different than a breeder gecko. The only thing I can really think of is if they carry morph genes which I assume would be a good thing if they bread out morphs."I know people who have owned the generations of cresties they produced for years and years and years. They have babies whose great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents were born with them, so they know pretty damn well what's in their genes. Aa opposed to these two, whose genetics the OP has no idea of. Doesn't even know what the parents looked like. Hell, they could be from the same clutch."
Your geckos could be het for all kinds of things, and you have no idea. High-end breeders know exactly what heterozygous traits their breeders have.
Further more if I choose to breed and sell them no matter what they are they are still a crested geckos regardless if they are from a pet store or breeder. You can't take a leg less lizard and say its a snake or take a ball python and say its a boa. I'm not saying they won't still be cresties? But when people sell crested geckos, they don't just say, "Crested gecko for sale." They know their exact morphs and what their parents look like and what their siblings look like. I also like to point out that "mudding" the blood lines isn't all that bad. It prevents genetic defects caused by the lines being to pure, yes that is possible. We do it at my job all the time to make sure we have salmon that won't have genetic issues.Except genetic issues can come from unknown genetics too. I've never heard of a crestie having genetic issues because their genetics are "too pure," but I know it's not suggested to breed siblings - which yours very well might be, given that they're the same age from the same place and look very similar. That would in fact make the genes more "pure," wouldn't it? So if that's what you're attempting to avoid, this would likely be doing the opposite.

~Maggot

[totheend]

Aa opposed to these two, whose genetics the OP has no idea of. Doesn't even know what the parents looked like. Hell, they could be from the same clutch."
Your geckos could be het for all kinds of things, and you have no idea. High-end breeders know exactly what heterozygous traits their breeders have. I'm not saying they won't still be cresties? But when people sell crested geckos, they don't just say, "Crested gecko for sale." They know their exact morphs and what their parents look like and what their siblings look like.

~Maggot

Crestie offspring don't always look like the parents. Can be a total crap shoot!!

[kreaturekeeper]

Personally I'm looking into getting a crestie and do not care whatsoever of genetics. someone could say "crestie for sale" and if its cute that would be fine with me. Not everyone is crazy into genetics and bloodlines. I couldn't care less and I doubt I am the only one... just saying.

[JoleneVissers]

I am the same that's why I got 2 from a pet store. I love them and are a great addition to our reptile collection.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Personally I'm looking into getting a crestie and do not care whatsoever of genetics. someone could say "crestie for sale" and if its cute that would be fine with me. Not everyone is crazy into genetics and bloodlines. I couldn't care less and I doubt I am the only one... just saying.No one said otherwise. I said repeatedly that people who don't care about genetics and just want them as pets can get them from pet stores. I'm personally with you. I love cresties and would love to own some, and I wouldn't care about genetics because I wouldn't be breeding. But a lot of pet store cresties are the 'rejects,' so to speak, of the breeders. The breeders determine that they're not good enough to be bred, so they go to the pet store. Still make wonderful pets though. :)

~Maggot

[Aaron_S]

No one said otherwise. I said repeatedly that people who don't care about genetics and just want them as pets can get them from pet stores. I'm personally with you. I love cresties and would love to own some, and I wouldn't care about genetics because I wouldn't be breeding. But a lot of pet store cresties are the 'rejects,' so to speak, of the breeders. The breeders determine that they're not good enough to be bred, so they go to the pet store. Still make wonderful pets though. :)

~Maggot

I get your point. I kind of agree with you.

I'd just like to point out that I still send people to breeders instead of pet stores. Why pay the marked up price?

Also, I know people who wholesale other animals and they genetically fine. Not to the "caliber" of say some of the others but I wouldn't consider them defects.

In ball pythons if I'm going for a triple morph and produce single morphs I may wholesale them all off to open bin space.

[EmbraceCalamity]

I get your point. I kind of agree with you.

I'd just like to point out that I still send people to breeders instead of pet stores. Why pay the marked up price?

Also, I know people who wholesale other animals and they genetically fine. Not to the "caliber" of say some of the others but I wouldn't consider them defects.

In ball pythons if I'm going for a triple morph and produce single morphs I may wholesale them all off to open bin space.Many breeders end up with cresties they don't feel are good enough to be bred, so they sell them pretty cheap (or send them to pet stores), and that is a viable option too. But they said in Canada the market isn't as oversaturated as it is here, so that might be a less viable option there. Personally, when I get a crestie, that's what I'm going to do. I want a brindle though. I'm a sucker for brindles. :D

~Maggot

[Aaron_S]

Many breeders end up with cresties they don't feel are good enough to be bred, so they sell them pretty cheap (or send them to pet stores), and that is a viable option too. But they said in Canada the market isn't as oversaturated as it is here, so that might be a less viable option there. Personally, when I get a crestie, that's what I'm going to do. I want a brindle though. I'm a sucker for brindles. :D

~Maggot

I need a breeding trio for when I get mine :D

One day again. I miss those little buggers.

[EmbraceCalamity]

I need a breeding trio for when I get mine :D

One day again. I miss those little buggers.And you should give me one. ;D

~Maggot

[Aaron_S]

And you should give me one. ;D

~Maggot

Pay shipping and DONE.

[totheend]

Many breeders end up with cresties they don't feel are good enough to be bred, so they sell them pretty cheap (or send them to pet stores), and that is a viable option too.

~Maggot

Not good enough meaning not as "flashy". Nothing else wrong with them.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Not good enough meaning not as "flashy". Nothing else wrong with them.I never said there was anything at all wrong with them. All I said was that the people who breed cresties determined they weren't good enough to be bred or even sold as high-end geckos, so they either go to a pet store or get sold cheap. Makes them good pets, not good breeders.Pay shipping and DONE.International shipping would probably cost a fortune though. :(

~Maggot

[totheend]

I never said there was anything at all wrong with them. All I said was that the people who breed cresties determined they weren't good enough to be bred or even sold as high-end geckos, so they either go to a pet store or get sold cheap. Makes them good pets, not good breeders.International shipping would probably cost a fortune though. :(

~Maggot

Just to clarify it's not that they are not good breeders...it's that they are probably buckskins or brindles, not pinners.

[Aaron_S]

Just to clarify it's not that they are not good breeders...it's that they are probably buckskins or brindles, not pinners.

I could not tell them apart so I would never know!

I used to know of a really green-ish tinged female. I wanted her so bad.


Umm shipping from me to USA is more expensive than just from somewhere in the USA but probably not too too bad.

[totheend]

I could not tell them apart so I would never know!

I used to know of a really green-ish tinged female. I wanted her so bad.


Umm shipping from me to USA is more expensive than just from somewhere in the USA but probably not too too bad.

I knew a girl who had a green crestie. She was very pretty :D (the crestie that is)

[EmbraceCalamity]

Just to clarify it's not that they are not good breeders...it's that they are probably buckskins or brindles, not pinners.Again, not saying there's anything wrong with them. But they're not up to breeders' standards to be bred. I've seen buckskins and brindles kept as breeders though. Ones I see in pet stores are usually harlequins. I could not tell them apart so I would never know!

I used to know of a really green-ish tinged female. I wanted her so bad.


Umm shipping from me to USA is more expensive than just from somewhere in the USA but probably not too too bad.Crested Gecko Morphs - TreasureCrest - Quality, Captive Bred Rhacodactylus (http://treasurecrest.webs.com/crestedgeckomorphs.htm)

I could probably just buy one here for cheaper than paying for shipping for one from you, sadly. XD

~Maggot

[Aaron_S]

Again, not saying there's anything wrong with them. But they're not up to breeders' standards to be bred. I've seen buckskins and brindles kept as breeders though. Ones I see in pet stores are usually harlequins. Crested Gecko Morphs - TreasureCrest - Quality, Captive Bred Rhacodactylus (http://treasurecrest.webs.com/crestedgeckomorphs.htm)

I could probably just buy one here for cheaper than paying for shipping for one from you, sadly. XD

~Maggot

But it wouldn't be an "Aaron" gecko and that just isn't right.

[EmbraceCalamity]

But it wouldn't be an "Aaron" gecko and that just isn't right.That only matters if it's a pretty "Aaron" gecko. =/

~Maggot

[Aaron_S]

That only matters if it's a pretty "Aaron" gecko. =/

~Maggot

Pfft, only kind they would produce.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Pfft, only kind they would produce.Pfft, you don't even know the morphs. :p

~Maggot

[Aaron_S]

Pfft, you don't even know the morphs. :p

~Maggot

I read your link! I do now.

[EmbraceCalamity]

I read your link! I do now.I'll believe it when I see it. ;)

I love this one (unfired):
http://market.kingsnake.com/image/1361615.jpg

~Maggot

[Aaron_S]

Flame is my guess. Or tiger.

[beardeds4life]

I am fairly certain that is a flame.

Not all breeders wholesale their low quality animals. Ron Tremper (with leopards) breeds thousands upon thousands of geckos every year and wholesales most of them. Not because they are low quality but because that is what they were bred for.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Here's the ad:
kingsnake.com Classifieds: Super Male Creamsicle! SUPER CHEAP! (http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=107&de=964215)

Says it's a creamsicle. I don't particularly care. Just so beautiful. :D

~Maggot