Funny things my snakes do

[dinosaurdammit]

So my boas are a bit odd. My male hates mirrors and slithers to me like a bat out of hell if he sees "mirror boa". My female likes to sit in a box way too small but she loves it so much I would feel bad removing it, she is so large she lifts it up about 3 to 4 inches, all balled up and happy. Feeding my male has been a laugh and a half. I feed f/t because ive just not ever wanted to risk another live rat. There is a local rabbit breeder who sells the runts pretty cheep. Nice healthy rabbits just too small for the pet trade, or maybe their temperament isnt right.

Anyway, jerry rice likes to hug his food for about 30 mins before he eats it. Granted its already dead and he isnt doing the whole strike and wrap, I am unsure of why he does this, but all he does before each meal is hug it, as if it were a toy. Yesterday while feeding a dead new zealand to him he opened his mouth at the glass as if to say "I AM SO HAPPY THANK YOU". That face has been etched into my mind now so I just had to draw it. I know I saw a guy on here doing a calendar for a family member, and with Jerry's antics I am wondering if I shouldnt do a calendar myself of all the silly things he does.

I wonder if anyone else would be interested in a "silly things boas do" calendar.

http://i1258.photobucket.com/albums/ii538/dinosaurdammit/jerrylove.jpg

[Aaron_S]

My answer...no.

[lady_bug87]

I really hate to burst your bubble. But snakes are not people. Most of them lack the essential brain power for higher thought.

You can think what ever you like but what I wrote in blue is what is happening... not silly.. instinct.


So my boas are a bit odd. My male hates mirrors and slithers to me like a bat out of hell if he sees "mirror boa".
Thats because he doesn't know what a mirror is. He thinks its another boa and would like to get away from it. Another Boa in close proximity means competition which equals defensiveness

My female likes to sit in a box way too small but she loves it so much I would feel bad removing it, she is so large she lifts it up about 3 to 4 inches, all balled up and happy.
Thats because she can feel all sides of the hide and is secure that nothing can get at her. This is not happy this is safe.

Feeding my male has been a laugh and a half. I feed f/t because ive just not ever wanted to risk another live rat. There is a local rabbit breeder who sells the runts pretty cheep. Nice healthy rabbits just too small for the pet trade, or maybe their temperament isnt right.

Anyway, jerry rice likes to hug his food for about 30 mins before he eats it. Granted its already dead and he isnt doing the whole strike and wrap, I am unsure of why he does this, but all he does before each meal is hug it, as if it were a toy.
He is a constrictor is what they do.. constrict. regardless of if its dead its prey. Snakes are instinctual

Yesterday while feeding a dead new zealand to him he opened his mouth at the glass as if to say "I AM SO HAPPY THANK YOU".
Snakes yawn.

That face has been etched into my mind now so I just had to draw it. I know I saw a guy on here doing a calendar for a family member, and with Jerry's antics I am wondering if I shouldnt do a calendar myself of all the silly things he does.

I wonder if anyone else would be interested in a "silly things boas do" calendar.


http://i1258.photobucket.com/albums/ii538/dinosaurdammit/jerrylove.jpg

[dinosaurdammit]

I really hate to burst your bubble. But snakes are not people. Most of them lack the essential brain power for higher thought.

You can think what ever you like but what I wrote in blue is what is happening... not silly.. instinct.


I dont understand why people cant just let things be, YES i know that snakes dont have "higher" brain function and do lack the capacity for emotions, does that mean i cant want to think things without being run into the mud? I feel like it is a dead horse but dang, everyone here is so upity. You cant be excited for anything without ruining the fun. Geeze.

[lady_bug87]

whatever, fine.

Your animals are cooky and special and do things to be cute.

Better?

[Aaron_S]

We like to pass on proper information for those new to the hobby who read these forums without posting.

Everyone talks about how we need to educate the uneducated but then they wish we wouldn't correct the incorrect information. Can't do both.

[mykee]

Ok the, congratulations on owning the only snake ever that has the ability to reason and have emotions. Candycanes, rainbows and sunshine, cowboy.
Ignorance is bliss.

[dinosaurdammit]

whatever, fine.

Your animals are cooky and special and do things to be cute.

Better?

No. I just find it sad you cannot find behavior funny and if someone does someone has to point out how stupid they are for assuming said behavior was ever funny. Takes the fun and joy out of the hobby.

[lady_bug87]

No. I just find it sad you cannot find behavior funny and if someone does someone has to point out how stupid they are for assuming said behavior was ever funny. Takes the fun and joy out of the hobby.

Sorry I dont find holding up a mirror to my boa to freak him out to be funny.. I guess I am weird like that

[dinosaurdammit]

Sorry I dont find holding up a mirror to my boa to freak him out to be funny.. I guess I am weird like that

who said anything about holding him up, my bathroom has one, my bathroom also has a tub. to get to the tub I have to pass two mirrors. How is that holding him up to it? Did you just manufacture words that wernt there? Or was it all assumption.

[jarich]

Again, if you want to come up with evidence for your statements please do so in the appropriate thread, Ladybug. I tried to get anyone to do so and none of you were able. Your conjecture in blue above is just as unfounded as anyone's.

I also failed to find anywhere the OP said he held a mirror up to his snake to freak it out. So stop creating drama where there is none, stop exaggerating for your effect, and stop touting your opinions as if they were anything else.

As we came to this conclusion before, who cares if someone thinks their reptile has emotions? It hurts no one so just leave it be, especially as you have no proof either.

[EmbraceCalamity]

No. I just find it sad you cannot find behavior funny and if someone does someone has to point out how stupid they are for assuming said behavior was ever funny. Takes the fun and joy out of the hobby.You can find behaviour amusing without attributing it to things that aren't true. My pets do plenty of things that are amusing, but that doesn't mean I make up reasons for them doing it.

~Maggot

[lady_bug87]

its called deductive reasoning.

He is seeing himself long enough to "slither to you like a bat out of hell if he sees "mirror boa". <-- those are your words by the way

so I can infer that you are pausing long enough so he can see himself. When and IF I have to bring my boa into my bathroom WITH a mirror she never freaks because I make sure she cant see herself.

I am seriously not picking a fight with you. I really dont care what you do or think. but dont pass on wrong info to someone who may read it and think he can get a snake and they will be best friends,

[lady_bug87]

Again, if you want to come up with evidence for your statements please do so in the appropriate thread, Ladybug. I tried to get anyone to do so and none of you were able. Your conjecture in blue above is just as unfounded as anyone's.

I also failed to find anywhere the OP said he held a mirror up to his snake to freak it out. So stop creating drama where there is none, stop exaggerating for your effect, and stop touting your opinions as if they were anything else.

As we came to this conclusion before, who cares if someone thinks their reptile has emotions? It hurts no one so just leave it be, especially as you have no proof either.

.... so we're all drinking wacky water and snakes can do things to be funny?

[dinosaurdammit]

its called deductive reasoning.

He is seeing himself long enough to "slither to you like a bat out of hell if he sees "mirror boa". <-- those are your words by the way

so I can infer that you are pausing long enough so he can see himself. When and IF I have to bring my boa into my bathroom WITH a mirror she never freaks because I make sure she cant see herself.

I am seriously not picking a fight with you. I really dont care what you do or think. but dont pass on wrong info to someone who may read it and think he can get a snake and they will be best friends,

how am i giving out false info, i stated what i saw. I really have had it with this forum. Its nothing but a crap den full of people who point at others and make them feel like idiots for even posting.

[EmbraceCalamity]

its called deductive reasoning.

He is seeing himself long enough to "slither to you like a bat out of hell if he sees "mirror boa". <-- those are your words by the wayFair point. If the snake can sliter to her, it's obviously not being held as it's passing the mirror.

~Maggot

[dinosaurdammit]

.... so we're all drinking wacky water and snakes can do things to be funny?

snakes dont do things to be funny but snakes can do things we see as funny.

[dinosaurdammit]

Fair point. If the snake can sliter to her, it's obviously not being held as it's passing the mirror.

~Maggot

so i drape it around my neck? from all the stuff i have been told and read i am suppose to support it with two hands away from my neck. So to slither to me means to slither to my shoulders/face- where, before i was scolded for even having one near my shoulders.

[lady_bug87]

snakes dont do things to be funny but snakes can do things we see as funny.

YES that is exactly it. (I am being serious)

Instinct can be amusing, my animals do hilarious things all the time. but they arent doing it on purpose,

[jarich]

its called deductive reasoning.

He is seeing himself long enough to "slither to you like a bat out of hell if he sees "mirror boa". <-- those are your words by the way

so I can infer that you are pausing long enough so he can see himself. When and IF I have to bring my boa into my bathroom WITH a mirror she never freaks because I make sure she cant see herself.

I am seriously not picking a fight with you. I really dont care what you do or think. but dont pass on wrong info to someone who may read it and think he can get a snake and they will be best friends,

Good grief, this is ridiculous. YOU have no information with which to make a judgment here. You also have no information by which to refute the claim.

SO you cannot say it is wrong information, nor can you say you are helping any snake or reptile along the way. Keep your opinion to yourself until such time as you can prove it to be true. Then we might believe it will have some positive effect.

[lady_bug87]

Good grief, this is ridiculous. YOU have no information with which to make a judgment here. You also have no information by which to refute the claim.

SO you cannot say it is wrong information, nor can you say you are helping any snake or reptile along the way. Keep your opinion to yourself until such time as you can prove it to be true. Then we might believe it will have some positive effect.

hey, keep your panties on.

[jarich]

We just had an entire thread about this, and came to the reasonable conclusion that it really isnt worth discussing any further. Then a day later you guys start in on someone again about thinking their reptile has emotions. Please leave it be and stop picking on people for their beliefs. If you want to supposedly refute this with evidence that we can all learn from (and by evidence I mean actual research, not your unhelpful conjecture) then by all means bring that to the table. Until then lets just understand that people have both opinions, and that they probably arent going to agree or for that matter convince each other otherwise.

[EmbraceCalamity]

so i drape it around my neck? from all the stuff i have been told and read i am suppose to support it with two hands away from my neck. So to slither to me means to slither to my shoulders/face- where, before i was scolded for even having one near my shoulders.I don't know what you do. But if it's slithering to you, it's obviously not being held. Something you're holding can't slither to you.how am i giving out false info, i stated what i saw. I really have had it with this forum. Its nothing but a crap den full of people who point at others and make them feel like idiots for even posting.Really? I've never had anyone make me feel like an idiot for posting anything.

~Maggot

[dinosaurdammit]

We just had an entire thread about this, and came to the reasonable conclusion that it really isnt worth discussing any further. Then a day later you guys start in on someone again about thinking their reptile has emotions. Please leave it be and stop picking on people for their beliefs. If you want to supposedly refute this with evidence that we can all learn from (and by evidence I mean actual research, not your unhelpful conjecture) then by all means bring that to the table. Until then lets just understand that people have both opinions, and that they probably arent going to agree or for that matter convince each other otherwise.

its not really that i think they have emotions, its more or less what they do- like JR with his mouth open, in my mind if he were personified he would be happy and excited about something. I just like to look further than "oh its a snake, doing snake things". Without some funny things they do its just not a fun hobby, then its just "here take care of this animal till it dies". There is no fun, no joy, no real reason to me to keep them if I cannot enjoy the things they do.

[lady_bug87]

We just had an entire thread about this, and came to the reasonable conclusion that it really isnt worth discussing any further. Then a day later you guys start in on someone again about thinking their reptile has emotions. Please leave it be and stop picking on people for their beliefs. If you want to supposedly refute this with evidence that we can all learn from (and by evidence I mean actual research, not your unhelpful conjecture) then by all means bring that to the table. Until then lets just understand that people have both opinions, and that they probably arent going to agree or for that matter convince each other otherwise.

Sorry I dont read every scrap on text on this site I DO have a life so if there is a space for this whoopy

Feel better now?

[lady_bug87]

its not really that i think they have emotions, its more or less what they do- like JR with his mouth open, in my mind if he were personified he would be happy and excited about something. I just like to look further than "oh its a snake, doing snake things". Without some funny things they do its just not a fun hobby, then its just "here take care of this animal till it dies". There is no fun, no joy, no real reason to me to keep them if I cannot enjoy the things they do.

and you should enjoy them but anthropomorphizing is different,

At least in my opinion. Please if my idiot conjuncture is distracting you from joy then disregard it

[EmbraceCalamity]

its not really that i think they have emotions, its more or less what they do- like JR with his mouth open, in my mind if he were personified he would be happy and excited about something. I just like to look further than "oh its a snake, doing snake things". Without some funny things they do its just not a fun hobby, then its just "here take care of this animal till it dies". There is no fun, no joy, no real reason to me to keep them if I cannot enjoy the things they do.No one said you can't enjoy the things they do. We've both said repeatedly that you can, just without making assumptions.

See, the problem in this lies in the information other people get. What if someone who doesn't know any better, maybe even a kid, comes on here - a forum about and for snakes - and reads that your snake opens its mouth to say thank you? So then any time a snake opens its mouth, whether in agression or agitation or as a threat, they think it's saying "thank you." Can you see how that kind of false idea could lead to problems?

~Maggot

[jarich]

Ill feel better when people stop using the excuse of 'Im doing it for the animals' to pick on others, when they themselves have no real idea what they are talking about and are, in fact, doing nothing more than creating discord in an otherwise normally friendly forum.

[dinosaurdammit]

No one said you can't enjoy the things they do. We've both said repeatedly that you can, just without making assumptions.

See, the problem in this lies in the information other people get. What if someone who doesn't know any better, maybe even a kid, comes on here - a forum about and for snakes - and reads that your snake opens its mouth to say thank you? So then any time a snake opens its mouth, whether in agression or agitation or as a threat, they think it's saying "thank you." Can you see how that kind of false idea could lead to problems?

~Maggot


"as if to say..." as in if i had to put words to describe how his face looked. Does it mean he is happy? Probably not, but if i had to describe over the phone to someone what my snake was doing thats how id do it, otherwise "open mouth" could lead down a wide road of different things. He could have been yawning, or even just hanging out with his mouth open. Me describing the way he did it? I dont feel that is a fair reason to jump my ship. If someone cannot read context clues, get back to school because i didnt say "HE OPENED HIS MOUTH TO SAY THANK YOU" i used "as if". I hope i can become jaded as the rest of you have become. I feel this thread could have been a thread about funny behaviors you witness with your animal, instead it has de-evolved into a "who can crap on who". That's sad. How can you expect people to ask for help when you are so jaded on a thread that didnt even need it. >:/

[mykee]

"Jarich; hero to the worthless cause and champion of the underdog. Devils Advocate to all, just to stir up poop".
Anyone: "The sky is blue Jarich".
Jarich: "no its not, you have no proof, that's just your opinion!"

[jarich]

I like this forum because it hasnt fallen prey to the normal nonsense that so many other forums do where every noobie gets picked on for every single comment, thus giving them the chance to learn information that is actually important and could actually improve the lives of numerous reptiles. So yes, Mykee, I do have a tendency to champion that cause and attempt to make people think a little more about their own assumptions before jumping down others throats for their own. I do not ever do it to stir things up, quite the opposite, in an attempt to keep the peace and allow new people to feel comfortable in posting and learning more.

[dinosaurdammit]

"Jarich; hero to the worthless cause and champion of the underdog. Devils Advocate to all, just to stir up poop".
Anyone: "The sky is blue Jarich".
Jarich: "no its not, you have no proof, that's just your opinion!"

I appreciate being called a worthless cause. Makes my stay here all the better. :no:

[EmbraceCalamity]

"as if to say..." as in if i had to put words to describe how his face looked. Does it mean he is happy? Probably not, but if i had to describe over the phone to someone what my snake was doing thats how id do it, otherwise "open mouth" could lead down a wide road of different things. He could have been yawning, or even just hanging out with his mouth open. Me describing the way he did it? I dont feel that is a fair reason to jump my ship. If someone cannot read context clues, get back to school because i didnt say "HE OPENED HIS MOUTH TO SAY THANK YOU" i used "as if". I hope i can become jaded as the rest of you have become. I feel this thread could have been a thread about funny behaviors you witness with your animal, instead it has de-evolved into a "who can crap on who". That's sad. How can you expect people to ask for help when you are so jaded on a thread that didnt even need it. >:/"As if to say thank you" isn't suggesting how he looked. A snake can't look like it's saying thank you. That's a why, not how.

I'm not crapping on you or being jaded or saying you're an idiot, so stop overreacting. If you'd just said, "My snakes did this and I found it amusing," this discussion never would have happened, and I'm sure the thread would have gone the way you wanted it to.

~Maggot

[dinosaurdammit]

"As if to say thank you" isn't suggesting how he looked. A snake can't look like it's saying thank you. That's a why, not how."

so a person/bird/or anything else cannot LOOK happy even though they are not?

So this dog doesnt /look/ happy http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5iqywKw1j1r3v72c.jpg
and this cat doesnt /look/ sad
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m95w91GQLo1re3xaro1_400.jpg
oh- what about this bird- it doesnt /look/ shocked
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MYxYEkdyTE8/UJknCXVWDdI/AAAAAAAAF3E/isVOVrR9B44/s400/scared+bird.jpeg
and this lizard, it cant possibly /look/ happy
http://openwalls.com/image/12357/thumb3_happy_lizard.jpeg


They may not be the above emotions but they do /look/ on the same line as the emotions.

[EmbraceCalamity]

So this dog doesnt /look/ happy http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5iqywKw1j1r3v72c.jpgDogs are perfectly capable of being happy.and this cat doesnt /look/ sad
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m95w91GQLo1re3xaro1_400.jpgCats are perfectly capable of being sad.oh- what about this bird- it doesnt /look/ shocked
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MYxYEkdyTE8/UJknCXVWDdI/AAAAAAAAF3E/isVOVrR9B44/s400/scared+bird.jpegAnything can be shocked. That's not an emotion, just a response.and this lizard, it cant possibly /look/ happy
http://openwalls.com/image/12357/thumb3_happy_lizard.jpegAn open mouth =/= looking happy. Again, do we really want people thinking that? Also, again, you didn't say, "It looks like she's saying thank you (but I'm sure she's not actually)." You said she opened her mouth "as if to say thank you," which is very different.
They may not be the above emotions but they do /look/ on the same line as the emotions."Thank you" isn't an emotion, but a verbal articulation of a higher through process, so your comparison is invalid and irrelevant.

~Maggot

[jarich]

"Thank you" isn't an emotion, but a verbal articulation of a higher through process, so your comparison is invalid and irrelevant.

~Maggot

This conversation is invalid and irrelevant, so how about just ending it?

[EmbraceCalamity]

This conversation is invalid and irrelevant, so how about just ending it?If you don't like it, leave the thread instead of hanging around bitching.

~Maggot

[lady_bug87]

Ill feel better when people stop using the excuse of 'Im doing it for the animals' to pick on others, when they themselves have no real idea what they are talking about and are, in fact, doing nothing more than creating discord in an otherwise normally friendly forum.

1) never said anything about doing anything for animals
2) I didn't pick on anyone. Drag your self-righteous illiterate behind back to page one and read my first post I even apologized I offered an explanation which I dare you to argue.
3) you're the one making a big deal out of anything.

I appreciate being called a worthless cause. Makes my stay here all the better. :no:

Please don't feel that way. I didn't say these things to make you feel stupid. Anthropomorphism is sort of a pet peeve... I was wrong to bring it up though, you're right you're entitled to enjoy your animals the way you see fit.

This conversation is invalid and irrelevant, so how about just ending it?
The only thing irrelevant is you.

[jarich]

Easy now tiger, no need to start calling names. Youre normally a pretty rational person on here. My apologies for perhaps coming on a bit strong with this subject. Its one that has been done over and over on numerous threads and actually had a thread dedicated specifically to it. Im not looking to get you all worked up, just looking to stop the constant barrage of people being harassed for their beliefs by those who merely have opposing beliefs.

Please feel free to look over the thread dealing with reptiles and emotions. If you have actual research to contribute, it would be great. However, as was evidenced by that thread, it is pretty much just the same conjectural evidence used by both sides of the argument.

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-discussion/96528-reptillian-theories.html

[SikSol]

Well come here to check out new threads and this crap is the first thing I see? Wow there are some childish people here. OP just ignore people that have nothing better to do than want to try and rain on everyone parade.

[lady_bug87]

Easy now tiger, no need to start calling names. Youre normally a pretty rational person on here. My apologies for perhaps coming on a bit strong with this subject. Its one that has been done over and over on numerous threads and actually had a thread dedicated specifically to it. Im not looking to get you all worked up, just looking to stop the constant barrage of people being harassed for their beliefs by those who merely have opposing beliefs.

Please feel free to look over the thread dealing with reptiles and emotions. If you have actual research to contribute, it would be great. However, as was evidenced by that thread, it is pretty much just the same conjectural evidence used by both sides of the argument.

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-discussion/96528-reptillian-theories.html

Thats what agitates me. You've SEEN my posts. I AM rational coming here and accusing me of a) jumping down someone's throat, b) being inexperienced is unfounded

I do NOT beat up on people for fun. I can count on one hand the number of times I have been involved in drama and have fingers left over.

We all have opinions and I gave one in my first post. The OP was welcome to argue it which she did and I rebutted and so on. You did not need to escalate it.

[TeaNinja]

i look at my boa in my bathroom in front of the mirror sometimes. he doesn't care :P

[jarich]

I dont think I called you inexperienced, I said you have not done any research on the subject you were speaking of. I suppose my escalation was an attempt to get you to rethink the certainty of what you were saying.

You also started telling him he had no basis thinking something, when all he started this thread for was a calendar. He didnt start it to talk about whether his snake had emotions, he started it to discuss some calendar about 'funny things snakes do'.

[TeaNinja]

lol jarich. if i make a post about how cute my dog is, but im next to my dog punching my girlfriend in the face in the picture, somehow i think they will not be focusing on what the thread is supposed to be. of course people are going to nitpick what they want and focus on it. welcome to the internet.

clearly that's just a moronic example, but you get my point. when you say things that may offend people, it's certainly possible that you'll find yourself with some verbal backlash. been there. once again, i think everyone just needs to shutup more ;)

[EmbraceCalamity]

lol jarich. if i make a post about how cute my dog is, but im next to my dog punching my girlfriend in the face in the picture, somehow i think they will not be focusing on what the thread is supposed to be. of course people are going to nitpick what they want and focus on it. welcome to the internet.

clearly that's just a moronic example, but you get my point. when you say things that may offend people, it's certainly possible that you'll find yourself with some verbal backlash. been there. once again, i think everyone just needs to shutup more ;)Moronic example doesn't even begin to cover it, hun. ;)

~Maggot

[TeaNinja]

Moronic example doesn't even begin to cover it, hun. ;)

~Maggot

you're one to talk you baby drama queen. it's like a wake of fighting wherever you go lol. xD

[EmbraceCalamity]

you're one to talk you baby drama queen. it's like a wake of fighting wherever you go lol. xDI'm a "baby drama queen"? Holy hell, flashback to the fourth grade.

I wasn't fighting with DD. I even specifically told her I wasn't trying to "crap" on her or make her feel like an idiot (as did Lady Bug), and I explained my concern with what she said - that it may have unintended ramifications that could result in harm for a reptile and/or a person.

~Maggot

[infernalis]

5DmYLrxR0Y8

[EmbraceCalamity]

Is that an old person song? >=/

~Maggot

[Dracorex5]

Jeez people... this has to be one of the most obnoxious reptile forum sites I have ever been to. Lighten up friends, reptiles are interesting and complex companions and it is in human nature to personify. Dino is not harming this snake, Dino is not hurting this snake, and Dino is not making foolish choices about this snake from seeing it as funny and quirky! Go correct some real mistakes. I see a lot of abuse scenarios in this world with reptiles, go wack some of those folks with the bat and let people enjoy the joys of keeping reptiles without being so horrendously technical. If you understand the care and caution required to help an animal live it's life properly, healthily, and happily, who cares if you think it's cute or not? Respect comes in many forms, live and let live.

[jarich]

lol jarich. if i make a post about how cute my dog is, but im next to my dog punching my girlfriend in the face in the picture, somehow i think they will not be focusing on what the thread is supposed to be. of course people are going to nitpick what they want and focus on it. welcome to the internet.

clearly that's just a moronic example, but you get my point. when you say things that may offend people, it's certainly possible that you'll find yourself with some verbal backlash. been there. once again, i think everyone just needs to shutup more ;)

I see what youre trying to say, it's just that one of the things I enjoyed about this forum was that it was a welcoming place to recommend to new keepers in the hobby to gain some good basic information. I don't really feel like I can do that anymore as new people get beat up over such insignificant details now.

[TeaNinja]

believe me, this is old news. it's happened before and it's going to continue happening. people are stupid and have opinions that clash with other stupid people. once again, welcome to the internet :P

I'm a "baby drama queen"? Holy hell, flashback to the fourth grade.

I wasn't fighting with DD. I even specifically told her I wasn't trying to "crap" on her or make her feel like an idiot (as did Lady Bug), and I explained my concern with what she said - that it may have unintended ramifications that could result in harm for a reptile and/or a person.

~Maggot

yes :) lol

[infernalis]

Is that an old person song? >=/

~Maggot

Yes it's old.

Unfortunately, BOTDF does not have any appropriate songs for the point I was making.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Yes it's old.

Unfortunately, BOTDF does not have any appropriate songs for the point I was making.What's BOTDF? >.>

~Maggot

[dinosaurdammit]

What's BOTDF? >.>

~Maggot

I am assuming blood on the dance floor, though I may be wrong

[EmbraceCalamity]

I am assuming blood on the dance floor, though I may be wrongNever heard of them.

~Maggot

[infernalis]

Blood on the dance floor... Google it, they are cool.

You don't seem the type that the lyrics would offend you, Some of their songs make rappers sound like saints.

[EmbraceCalamity]

Blood on the dance floor... Google it, they are cool.

You don't seem the type that the lyrics would offend you, Some of their songs make rappers sound like saints.Lyrics don't generally offend me, no. But I don't really like exceptionally vulgar and, um, stupid lyrics. I listen mostly to hard rock and heavy metal, so I prefer more intellectually stimulating lyrics. :p

~Maggot

[Akuma223]

This is honestly getting tiring to read. A few months ago when I joined people on here weren't acting like a bunch of morons without a life, but now this forum is turning into a goddamn joke. There is a way to be realistic and tell someone how it is without being a complete jerk about it. All of you are chasing away people who had the sense to ask for help, and in the process chasing away lurkers who would have done the same. You should be ashamed of yourselves, you do more harm then good. I see better behavior from the morons in my fricken high school. And that is just sad...

[EmbraceCalamity]

This is honestly getting tiring to read. A few months ago when I joined people on here weren't acting like a bunch of morons without a life, but now this forum is turning into a goddamn joke. There is a way to be realistic and tell someone how it is without being a complete jerk about it. All of you are chasing away people who had the sense to ask for help, and in the process chasing away lurkers who would have done the same. You should be ashamed of yourselves, you do more harm then good. I see better behavior from the morons in my fricken high school. And that is just sad...Dude, we've moved on. That discussion was over almost 12 hours ago. By bringing up old drama when we're all done with it, you're only encouraging it.

~Maggot

[Akuma223]

My apologies I don't come here everyday.

[EmbraceCalamity]

My apologies I don't come here everyday.So you just come and bring up old drama by bitching about it in a new discussion about music? Good job. Thank god we've got you for that.

~Maggot

[brylecc1989]

^So if someone misses a thread, and still wants to give their 2 cents, that's not ok? If I log on once a day, chances are my posts may be hours after a last one. Doesn't make the opinion any less valuable. It's funny that you say he is bringing up old drama, when there would hardly be any drama to bring up if you would just stop.

[EmbraceCalamity]

^So if someone misses a thread, and still wants to give their 2 cents, that's not ok? If I log on once a day, chances are my posts may be hours after a last one. Doesn't make the opinion any less valuable. It's funny that you say he is bringing up old drama, when there would hardly be any drama to bring up if you would just stop.I won't engage you too. This thread needs to either die or just become a discussion about something pointless and lighthearted like it was before Akuma showed up. No need to have things start all over again.

~Maggot

[brylecc1989]

LOL Is that not engaging?^ Fooled me.

[infernalis]

This thread needs to either die ~Maggot


Done deal.....