View Full Version : Looking For A BCC Breeder/Dealer
Jim9075
11-10-12, 08:10 PM
Well im finally ready to get into larger snakes. I am really wanting to get a BCC (Boa Constrictor Constrictor). Does anyone know of a breeder/seller I can trust? I useually do buisness with boasandballs.com but I just see BCI.
BarelyBreathing
11-10-12, 08:24 PM
Boas and Balls is horrible. Try Clockwork Reptile Company - Home (http://www.clockworkreptile.com)
lady_bug87
11-10-12, 08:25 PM
I know that the BCI and BCCs get muddled so as far as I've heard it can be challenging to find true BCCs
Jay could probably give some good info on where to find one
Jim9075
11-10-12, 08:31 PM
I know that the BCI and BCCs get muddled so as far as I've heard it can be challenging to find true BCCs
Jay could probably give some good info on where to find one
I must be lost but why are they muddled?
TaylorWalker
11-10-12, 08:31 PM
What are BCI?
lady_bug87
11-10-12, 08:33 PM
From what I have heard, they get cross bred through generations so unless you know the WHOLE lineage of the dam and sire its almost impossible to guarantee it to be a pure BCC
lady_bug87
11-10-12, 08:35 PM
What are BCI?
BCI stands for Boa Constrictor Imperator where BCC stands for Boa Constrictor Constrictor
Both are a sub genus of Boas
TaylorWalker
11-10-12, 08:39 PM
ok i knew BCC but i hadn't heard BCI, thanks!
lady_bug87
11-10-12, 08:40 PM
No problem! If you go in the BCC/BCI section you'll see that there are a bunch more sub species listed as well as some really good info
TaylorWalker
11-10-12, 08:41 PM
I'll check that out.
Jim9075
11-10-12, 08:46 PM
From what I have heard, they get cross bred through generations so unless you know the WHOLE lineage of the dam and sire its almost impossible to guarantee it to be a pure BCC
Intersting.. Had no idea. I have been doing research for a while and the reason I was thinking of BCC is I hear they are less defensive/aggressive. I have no experiance with boas but I have handled a BCI 3 years ago and it did not seem defensive. Is their a true difference in attitude between the BCI and BCC?
lady_bug87
11-10-12, 08:51 PM
To be honest I am not sure (I am trying to use Jedi mind tricks to get Jay in here) I believe that BCCs tend to be bigger and may have a slightly different temperament.
I own a BCI she is roughly a year old and she is lovely. She tolerates handling, eats well and sheds well every time. I dont find her defensive at all. Then again a lot of these attributes will depend on the individual.
I also believe that BCCs may be the "true" red tails
Yes pure bcc can be difficult to find, but not impossible. If a bcc will be your first boa I strongly urge you to do your research, they grow larger then common boas. They have a much slower growth rate doe to the fact that you need to feed them smaller meals.
As for them being less agressive, that's all up to the individual snake.
BarelyBreathing
11-10-12, 09:26 PM
The link I gave you sells 100% Guyana red tails.
The link I gave you sells 100% Guyana red tails.
How can you say that with such certainty ?
Jim9075
11-10-12, 09:36 PM
Yes pure bcc can be difficult to find, but not impossible. If a bcc will be your first boa I strongly urge you to do your research, they grow larger then common boas. They have a much slower growth rate doe to the fact that you need to feed them smaller meals.
As for them being less agressive, that's all up to the individual snake.
I agree. It depends on the individual snake but it depends on how we take care of them (ammount of handling for example) has a major factor when it comes to temperament. Im just looking at the "overall" temperament. I mostly see mixed views when it comes to BCI and BCC. The size is another reason I was thinking of getting a BCC. I can settle with a BCI too due to the fact that I personally dont see as much difference when it comes to certain factors. I always wanted a Red and have done allot of research and was getting more experience with other species before dealing with a larger species of snake.
I agree. It depends on the individual snake but it depends on how we take care of them (ammount of handling for example) has a major factor when it comes to temperament. Im just looking at the "overall" temperament. I mostly see mixed views when it comes to BCI and BCC. The size is another reason I was thinking of getting a BCC. I can settle with a BCI too due to the fact that I personally dont see as much difference when it comes to certain factors. I always wanted a Red and have done allot of research and was getting more experience with other species before dealing with a larger species of snake.
The more you handle a snake, the more you stress your snake.
The only time I handle my Bcc's is when I'm transferring them or cage clean. If you're looking for a snake you can take out of its heated enclosure a bcc is not for you.
moshirimon
11-10-12, 09:52 PM
Really ?... so you never just handle your snakes for the reason of handling? You see them as strictly display animals?
Really ?... so you never just handle your snakes for the reason of handling? You see them as strictly display animals?
Possibly once a month for my pleasure.
moshirimon
11-10-12, 10:22 PM
Interesting.. was just curious.
promdom
11-10-12, 10:25 PM
The more you handle a snake, the more you stress your snake.
The only time I handle my Bcc's is when I'm transferring them or cage clean. If you're looking for a snake you can take out of its heated enclosure a bcc is not for you.
IMO a CB snake that has been handled since a baby shouldn't really be stressed out by handling for a few minutes every day or so, depending on the species of course. I don't know about boa constrictors but my balls and dumerils don't seem stressed at all!!
IMO a CB snake that has been handled since a baby shouldn't really be stressed out by handling for a few minutes every day or so, depending on the species of course. I don't know about boa constrictors but my balls and dumerils don't seem stressed at all!!
It's more directed to lg bodied snakes.
Balls should be handled for a few minutes every day.
BarelyBreathing
11-10-12, 10:38 PM
How can you say that with such certainty ?
Because I know the owner personally and trust him whole heartedly with animals. I just saw some of his baby Guyanas today at our expo.
Because I know the owner personally and trust him whole heartedly with animals. I just saw some of his baby Guyanas today at our expo.
Oh yea, that's good.
BarelyBreathing
11-10-12, 10:57 PM
Oh yea, that's good.
I never know if you're being sarcastic or not. :suspicious:
moshirimon
11-11-12, 09:27 AM
It's more directed to lg bodied snakes.
What would make you say this ? I kind of agree but why do you think?
I garunte most of the keepers who handle their big boys do it incorrectly. Snakes do not need to be handled, nor do they profit from it.
moshirimon
11-11-12, 09:57 AM
Yes you are correct. But I think they tolerate it well and are not bothered by it. Big snakes on the other hand are different just because of their heavy weight. I believe it can be painful holding them in certain spots and maneuvering them.
That is just my opinion ..
What would you say is the "correct" way to handle a large snake if their is one.
lady_bug87
11-11-12, 09:58 AM
Jay, do you exercise your big snakes?
KORBIN5895
11-11-12, 10:15 AM
Handling a snake often doesn't guarantee it will tame it or make it less stressed. Some snakes don't mind being handles and some will chew your eyes out every chance they get.
Strutter769 has a good lead on bcc. Pm him.
I have a bci that I used to handle three to four times a week. She was a baby doll. Because of recent life circumstance I haven't had her out of her enclosure for three months. I took her out two days ago and she was still puppy dog tame.
I also have a baby corn snake I handle two to three times a week and he is hell on wheels and bites me every time I move.
Is it true that bcc boas are easier to stress out and go off feeding than bci boas.
KORBIN5895
11-11-12, 10:39 AM
I am unsure as I have never owned a bcc but Nome of my bci go off feed... ever.
moshirimon
11-11-12, 10:48 AM
Yes bccs tend to be more sensitive to improper conditions and are much more prone to getting stressed
Ridge Runner_20
11-11-12, 11:00 AM
I'd check with Gus Rentfro of Rio Bravo Reptiles for all your BCC needs. He has some beautiful examples and his lineage is unquestioned. I'd also check out Barry Miller. He has produced some stunning animals as well.
One last question: which BCC are you considering? Peruvian? Guyana? Suriname? I believe Ecuador and Brazil also have some local forms as well. Anyway, which BCC would also be an important consideration as well.
Good luck!
RR_20 (Mike)
I'd check with Gus Rentfro of Rio Bravo Reptiles for all your BCC needs. He has some beautiful examples and his lineage is unquestioned. I'd also check out Barry Miller. He has produced some stunning animals as well.
One last question: which BCC are you considering? Peruvian? Guyana? Suriname? I believe Ecuador and Brazil also have some local forms as well. Anyway, which BCC would also be an important consideration as well.
Good luck!
RR_20 (Mike)
Done posting. This is it right here^
Jim9075
11-11-12, 12:24 PM
Handling a snake often doesn't guarantee it will tame it or make it less stressed. Some snakes don't mind being handles and some will chew your eyes out every chance they get.
Strutter769 has a good lead on bcc. Pm him.
I have a bci that I used to handle three to four times a week. She was a baby doll. Because of recent life circumstance I haven't had her out of her enclosure for three months. I took her out two days ago and she was still puppy dog tame.
I also have a baby corn snake I handle two to three times a week and he is hell on wheels and bites me every time I move.
Thats true that it does not guarantee to make it tame or less stressed but the chances of that happening is slim. As for the corn it can take time. Some tend to be nippy when young but like most other snakes they tend to calm down.
KORBIN5895
11-11-12, 01:58 PM
Thats true that it does not guarantee to make it tame or less stressed but the chances of that happening is slim. As for the corn it can take time. Some tend to be nippy when young but like most other snakes they tend to calm down.
This corn is beyond nippy. He gets airborne trying to get me. Anyway like mentioned before handling isn't necessary to their health and actually can cause stress.
Jim9075
11-11-12, 02:24 PM
This corn is beyond nippy. He gets airborne trying to get me. Anyway like mentioned before handling isn't necessary to their health and actually can cause stress.
"Can" is the key word. The only way its going to cause stress is if they are not use to handling. I personally choose to handle because I would rather have a calm snake than something that wants to strike at me any chance it gets.
KORBIN5895
11-11-12, 04:16 PM
"Can" is the key word. The only way its going to cause stress is if they are not use to handling. I personally choose to handle because I would rather have a calm snake than something that wants to strike at me any chance it gets.
Thanks for your opinion. Now do you have anything to back it up?
Jim9075
11-12-12, 08:37 AM
Thanks for your opinion. Now do you have anything to back it up?
Do you? Out of personal experiance and observation on my part the only time I see a snake get stressed is when they are young or if you have one that has not been handled at all. This leads to bites, strikes, fleeing and musking. That is how you know a snake is stressed and does not want to be handled. This is basic stuff. Even if you dont handle you still have to transfer the snake when you clean a enclosure and thats even going to make them more stressed because they are not use to contact.
Do you? Out of personal experiance and observation on my part the only time I see a snake get stressed is when they are young or if you have one that has not been handled at all. This leads to bites, strikes, fleeing and musking. That is how you know a snake is stressed and does not want to be handled. This is basic stuff. Even if you dont handle you still have to transfer the snake when you clean a enclosure and thats even going to make them more stressed because they are not use to contact.
I'm sorry, but NO snake wants to be handled. A snake does not brenifit from handaling.
Jim9075
11-12-12, 09:06 PM
I'm sorry, but NO snake wants to be handled. A snake does not brenifit from handaling.
I agree that no snake wants to be handled but I disagree that it does not benifit them. For example handling is one way to check for health problems your snake could have that is not visable. Im not here to challenge anyone. I simply posted this thread in search for a trusted breeder. Fortunately for me I just got a true BCC last night from a trusted breeder.
I agree that no snake wants to be handled but I disagree that it does not benifit them. For example handling is one way to check for health problems your snake could have that is not visable. Im not here to challenge anyone. I simply posted this thread in search for a trusted breeder. Fortunately for me I just got a true BCC last night from a trusted breeder.
Very nice, congrats! Locality?
jaleely
11-12-12, 11:11 PM
can you post pics, jim? I wanna see!
Jim9075
11-13-12, 10:31 AM
can you post pics, jim? I wanna see! Here she is.
Here she is.
Where did you get him, and what locality was he sold to you as. I'd like to see more photos, but from that picture, I'm sorry but that doesn't look like a pure bcc...
Wildside
11-13-12, 10:39 AM
Where did you get him, and what locality was he sold to you as. I'd like to see more photos, but from that picture, I'm sorry but that doesn't look like a pure bcc...
Maybe not pure Bcc but definitely Pure Colombian?
KORBIN5895
11-13-12, 11:00 AM
Where did you get him, and what locality was he sold to you as. I'd like to see more photos, but from that picture, I'm sorry but that doesn't look like a pure bcc...
Maybe not pure Bcc but definitely Pure Colombian?
^^^^^^ This.
Ouch. I hope he didn't make you bend over too far.
Wildside
11-13-12, 11:02 AM
^^^^^^ This.
Ouch. I hope he didn't make you bend over too far.
Me too thought it's a GORGEOUS Colombian. Has great markings ;)
Me too thought it's a GORGEOUS Colombian. Has great markings ;)
No doubt one of the nicest I've seen.
KORBIN5895
11-13-12, 11:46 AM
Me too thought it's a GORGEOUS Colombian. Has great markings ;)
No doubt one of the nicest I've seen.
Again, I must agree.
Jim9075
11-13-12, 03:28 PM
Again, I must agree.
Yup. I was sold the wrong one by mistake. I can return her and get the BCC but im already attached to this one. She is very calm and beautiful. Until I broke down the dorsals, markings and color their is no way its bcc. However their is no way I can return her. I did some trading for her and supplies so its still an even trade :-)
Wildside
11-13-12, 03:30 PM
Yup. I was sold the wrong one by mistake. I can return her and get the BCC but im already attached to this one. She is very calm and beautiful. Until I broke down the dorsals, markings and color their is no way its bcc. However their is no way I can return her. I did some trading for her and supplies so its still an even trade :-)
We still want more pics ;)
Jim9075
11-13-12, 04:31 PM
We still want more pics ;)
And another
Jim9075
11-13-12, 04:34 PM
And another
KORBIN5895
11-13-12, 05:27 PM
Do you mind telling us who the breeder is so we can avoid them? That's a pretty big mistake.
Jim9075
11-13-12, 06:40 PM
Local breeder in Indiana. I trusted him because I heard good feedback from friends and a couple other people who have done buisness with him. He does not deal online or anything. Only expos in Ohio and Indiana. He goes by the name of Cole. He offered to make it right but I just decided to stick with this one :-)
Jim9075
11-13-12, 06:45 PM
To be honest im having the worst luck. This is the first year in 3 years I have got any new snakes. One is being treated from RI (which I think was from transfering in the cold) and now I got this beautiful sweet boa that was suppose to be BCC instead of BCI.
moshirimon
11-13-12, 08:17 PM
i'd fix it and get the actual bcc.. especially if you payed for a bcc
lumpbump
11-14-12, 12:11 AM
Well im finally ready to get into larger snakes. I am really wanting to get a BCC (Boa Constrictor Constrictor). Does anyone know of a breeder/seller I can trust? I useually do buisness with boasandballs.com but I just see BCI.
Riobravoreptiles.com and Cuttingedgeherp.com and basicallyboas.com
These guys have good street cred IMO. Cant go wrong with the guy who literally wrote the book (cuttingedgeherp.com) and Riobravorepriles.com has pictures of his BCC in The Complete Boa Constrictor...
Here are a few names off the top of my head. These are all reputable breeders with the highest quality stock.
Rob Tudehope
Bob Futo
Barry Miller @ Miller Reptiles
Mike Eckert
Orlando Diaz @ Legacy Reptiles
Amer @ Florida red tails
Chris Wolf
Richard Ceniceros
And of course as it was already mentioned, Gus Rentfro @ Rio Bravo and Vin Russo @ Cutting Edge Herp.
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