Morph or normal?

[Michaeladevine1]

Are these normal red tails? Sorry, it's a bad picture.

[h3h]

I'm not sure, but don't you think you should separate them? I really don't want to see that snake ate another snake picture again. lol :)

- h3

[Trent]

Both bci and no morphs.

[Michaeladevine1]

I'm not sure, but don't you think you should separate them? I really don't want to see that snake ate another snake picture again. lol :)

- h3

I don't know what you're talking about. They are both the same size, been together all their lives. Separating them is not necessary. These aren't my snakes. They are my friends.

[Gungirl]

Normal BCI

Keeping most snakes in pairs is not a wise thing to do..

[Michaeladevine1]

Normal BCI

Keeping most snakes in pairs is not a wise thing to do..

Ok, well that was not the question I asked. These are not my snakes. As I've said before, and not a wise thing to do? Ok. Well thanks for the input I didn't ask for. People do things differently.

[h3h]

I don't know what you're talking about. They are both the same size, been together all their lives. Separating them is not necessary. These aren't my snakes. They are my friends.

K, I'm stupid.

- h3

[Lankyrob]

Ok, well that was not the question I asked. These are not my snakes. As I've said before, and not a wise thing to do? Ok. Well thanks for the input I didn't ask for. People do things differently.

There is doing things differently and then there is doing things badly, there are many many issues with housing (most) snakes together and about the on.y benefit of doing so is to save a little money on a separate enclosure.

Your friend may be lucky for the total life of the snakes OR maybe not to orrow or the next day he may have major issues...............

[rmfsnakes32]

To me they look like normals lmo

[jaleely]

Normals.
Snakes are solitary animals. Tell your friend to google it. simple as that.

[Wyldrose]

Tell your friend they are normals and would be much happier living alone :)

[lumpbump]

I don't know what you're talking about. They are both the same size, been together all their lives. Separating them is not necessary. These aren't my snakes. They are my friends.

When you see two snakes in one enclosure and they appear to be "cuddling" or "like being together" is really snakes competing for the best spot.... This is human emotion projected onto something they are ignorant about at best. Boa constrictors are solitary animals.:unhappy:

BTW they both appear normal.

[StudentoReptile]

I don't know what you're talking about. They are both the same size, been together all their lives.

Size is irrelevant. I've seen snakes eat other cagemates their own size (even deliberately fed a snake to a kingsnake myself, and videotaped it as proof!). It can happen.

Separating them is not necessary.

Logic, reason, common sense, and LOTS of snake keepers much more experienced than you and your friend disagree.

These aren't my snakes. They are my friends.

Fine then...tell your "friend," if he is a responsible snake keeper, he needs to separate his snakes. What he is doing is unwise and lazy. If he cannot afford two separate enclosures, he cannot afford two snakes. Period. This is part of responsible reptile care.

Ok, well that was not the question I asked. These are not my snakes. As I've said before, and not a wise thing to do? Ok. Well thanks for the input I didn't ask for.

Welcome to life. This is probably not the first time, and certainly not the last time you will receive advice and criticism you did not ask for. Get used to it. (there's some more unsolicited advice right there!)

People do things differently.

Indeed, but Lankyrob stated the distinction between this and doing things WRONG.
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There is NO benefit to the animals' welfare by keeping snakes together (excepting for breeding...which this case, it's not). What is easy for the keeper is not always best for the animal.

And as others have stated, they appear to be normal BCI.

[OSMDEATHOWNER]

I'm not sure, but don't you think you should separate them? I really don't want to see that snake ate another snake picture again. lol :)

- h3

lol i literraly laughed out loud

[moshirimon]

Beautiful snakes. not even gonna say anything about them being housed together since there are enough people taking care of that.

[The one on the right posssssibly looks hypo. could be wrong pic isn't the best in my blackberry.

[Rogue628]

Both normals and both are BCI's....

Look, I know what others are telling you is unwanted advice, but it's the truth. We're not trying to slam you or your friend, we're only trying to help keep those animals safe and healthy. Most snakes are antisocial. Very few can be kept in pairs or with others outside of breeding. Boas aren't one of them.

There are many reasons why they shouldn't be kept together. If one gets sick, the other one gets sick. You don't know which has pooped or peed, so how do you know if one may have digestion issues if there's poop and pee in the cage? How do you know which one it came from? Feeding is another issue. Sure they may be able to be fed in separate containers, but what if one is still in feed mode and your friend doesn't realize it when he (or she) puts them back together? One can bite and try to eat the other. It happens! Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it never will. They will also 'fight' over favorite warm or cool spots. They're not cuddling. They're vying with each other for the optimal spot to thermoregulate.

In order for snakes to have a healthy life, it's optimal conditions should be met living by itself. It doesn't cost much to set up each in it's own habitat. Sterilite tubs make awesome enclosures, plus it's cheap and highly effective. Spend a little extra money and make both happy.

It's not just this forum that is against keeping multiple together, but all responsible keepers around the world. Don't believe me? Google it. Nowhere have I found that it's perfectly safe and healthy for two BCI's to live together.

Google (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=keeping+red+tail+boas+together&oq=keeping+redtail++boas+together&gs_l=hp.1.0.0i13i30.16568.17568.2.20918.9.7.0.0.0. 6.753.3759.2-1j1j1j3j1.7.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.wV7yrEN07rk&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=4160ba7ec3c5523d&bpcl=35243188&biw=1024&bih=665)

[rmfsnakes32]

I will take mosh's point here not stating the obvious but the one on the right looks like it could be a hypo one on the left is a normal for sure better pics would help us identify them better

[Wildside]

I will take mosh's point here not stating the obvious but the one on the right looks like it could be a hypo one on the left is a normal for sure better pics would help us identify them better


I don't think it's a hypo but could qualify for pastel if the lineage was known.

[Rogue628]

I could be wrong but the one people are saying is possible hypo looks like my old BCI, even with all the speckles. I think I have an old picture of her somewhere. I'll see if I can find it.

Also, I wonder how much the owner paid for it and from whom?

[KORBIN5895]

Tell your friend to leave them as is.... assuming his enclosure is big enough. I have talked to quite a few boa keepers that have or do co-hab.

It's fine for everyone to jump up and down screaming about it but until you prove it out yourself stop preaching it like its the gospel or something. I have never seen a pic of a boa eating another boa.

Make him understand his enclosure needs to be big enough for both snakes and he needs more than one hot spot and cool spot.

Also neither is a morph.

[lumpdog]

they both look normal to me also.

[exwizard]

Yes they are beautiful. I'm also not going to say anything about them being together since you didn't ask about that. Gotta love the unsolicited advice. ;) Also I'm not an expert on Boa locales. Jay is though. There's where you can find words of an expert.

[lumpbump]

Tell your friend to leave them as is.... assuming his enclosure is big enough. I have talked to quite a few boa keepers that have or do co-hab.

It's fine for everyone to jump up and down screaming about it but until you prove it out yourself stop preaching it like its the gospel or something. I have never seen a pic of a boa eating another boa.

Make him understand his enclosure needs to be big enough for both snakes and he needs more than one hot spot and cool spot.

Also neither is a morph.

I've scene pics of boas eating boas on accident. One had a boa constricting the other cause the owner thought he could feed them in the same enclosure... anyone can make a zoo type enclosure that's big enough for dozens of snakes but the average boa keeper doesn't live in a zoo. Keep it simple one cage per snake... does it make any sence to say "well I've never scene a person die cause they got hit by a car. We know its not safe to play in the street. Just hope its not your snakes that other people get to see the aftermath. They are your snakes and you do what you want but don't look for comfort or protection if something goes wrong when all you need to do is be responsable. One snake, one cage unless breeding em.:pissedoff:

[KORBIN5895]

I've scene pics of boas eating boas on accident. One had a boa constricting the other cause the owner thought he could feed them in the same enclosure... anyone can make a zoo type enclosure that's big enough for dozens of snakes but the average boa keeper doesn't live in a zoo. Keep it simple one cage per snake... does it make any sence to say "well I've never scene a person die cause they got hit by a car. We know its not safe to play in the street. Just hope its not your snakes that other people get to see the aftermath. They are your snakes and you do what you want but don't look for comfort or protection if something goes wrong when all you need to do is be responsable. One snake, one cage unless breeding em.:pissedoff:

Thanks again for your unfounded opinion. Now please go get facts so we can try to make sense of what you are saying.

[lumpbump]

Thanks again for your unfounded opinion. Now please go get facts so we can try to make sense of what you are saying.

Facts wouldn't help you make sense of what I'm saying if you don't want to hear it. Not trying to be inflamitory or derogitory but its a simple enough to grasp concept. :shocked:
Its 4am what are your boas doing?

[KORBIN5895]

Thanks for admitting you have no facts to support your theory. NEXT!

[Jay]

Yes they are beautiful. I'm also not going to say anything about them being together since you didn't ask about that. Gotta love the unsolicited advice. ;) Also I'm not an expert on Boa locales. Jay is though. There's where you can find words of an expert.

Under your skin I see.


To the op they're normals, not even red tails.

Kevin is spot on, if the space, and heating is provided, go for it.

[KORBIN5895]

Watch out Jay! The villagers may try to burn us at the stake for our heresy. Lol.

[Little Wise Owl]

Judging by the photo, the snakes look to be housed in an aquarium probably a foot deep (you can see where the substrate ends at the top of the photo). I obviously could be wrong but an aquarium is hardly appropriate for housing one, let alone TWO BCI...

If the enclosure were large enough to house multiple boas, then I would agree with the Devil's Advocates but we can clearly see in the photo they aren't in a spaceous, heat-insulated enclosure.

[shaunyboy]

Watch out Jay! The villagers may try to burn us at the stake for our heresy. Lol.

i have kept SAME sized Females,and SAME sized pairs together,for years with NO issues

i seperate at feeding time,then put them back together as soon as they have ate

its ONLY Carpets i keep,so can only vouch for Carpets

i know Carpet keepers,with 3 or 4 Females,in the same tank with NO issues;)

cheers shaun

[exwizard]

Under your skin I see...

Whatever Jay. Im through giving you compliments. You're a legend in your own mind. Just ask anyone youve made to feel stupid.

[Jay]

Whatever Jay. Im through giving you compliments. You're a legend in your own mind. Just ask anyone youve made to feel stupid.

Sure buddy.
Expert, far from it, legend, even farther.

[Aaron_S]

Sure buddy.
Expert, far from it, legend, even farther.

Yeah...those are my titles...


Anyway, Jay and Kevin, do you have sources to back up your claims? I'd like to see them. I'm not calling you guys out but I'm actually really curious to see anything written about this. It would be really neat I think. :)

[KORBIN5895]

I can honestly say I don't have any written sources as far as "scientific" papers but I know several keepers that do. Dan may though as he did a lot of reading. I have mostly talked to experienced keepers that have done it.

[Aaron_S]

I can honestly say I don't have any written sources as far as "scientific" papers but I know several keepers that do. Dan may though as he did a lot of reading. I have mostly talked to experienced keepers that have done it.

Any blogs of these breeders? Any birthing records or anything written of their own experience? Not that I don't believe you that they said it but I'd like to read more into it.

[KORBIN5895]

The person that started this thread (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=341048) is working on a conservation project and she has a blog I read once.