How about some jags?

[Caylan]

These guys are quirky, and not so sure I really want to breed them, but they are not fully grown yet so we'll see... Punk was my first investment snake and she has been a handful! But she is pretty and will for sure make a great display snake, and I love her regardless of her problems! Tiny is practically a ball python, just open her cage, pick her up, and enjoy! The only snake my mom will hold, and still a major runt, who knows if she will ever reach breeding size! But a great pet none the less! 7Up is the other jag, the bredli jag! Again a runt, I tend to pick animals oddly.... she is still small but living up to be a sweet jag I think. Super slow grower, but a great eater, 2 pinky rats every 5 days, will be fun to see what she becomes!

Punk, 2009 Female Diamond Jungle Jaguar Carpet Python
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Punk, 2009 Female Diamond Jungle Jaguar Carpet Python



Tiny, 2010 Diamond Jungle Jaguar Carpet Python
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7Up, 2010 Bredli Jaguar Carpet Python
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[shaunyboy]

nice jags mate

i find the bredl jag very interesting,do you have any full body shots you could post ?

i have a friend with a diamond bredl jag,that imo has turned out to be one of the best looking jags in the uk.

theres pic's of it on here, " schroomy " was the posters name,the dbj is esmerelda

heres a link with a pic of the diamond bredl jag
http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/new-forum/88133-hello-edinburgh.html?highlight=schroomy

cheers shaun

[Caylan]

I can't wait to breed Sync to this jag, or her sister, because I have to agree! Bredl's Diamond Jungle Jaguars are insane looking!! I will look up the jag you mentioned, but I'm considering staying away from jags and going strait sib! Not sure I know enough about the Jag gene to reproduce it again, its just too unpredictable..... I like them, and will continue to envy them, but I think the neuro just isn't worth it... again we'll see, Tiny still has no neuro symptoms, but she is still young and maybe be to small to comfortably breed... I'm still new, just knowledgeable, not necessarily experienced yet. I really can't wait to breed Sync to my Bredlu Jaguar Sibling though, so good call, and will happen someday! ~Caylan.S.~

[marvelfreak]

Wow they are insanely beautiful. I really love the Bredli Jag. I most admit i jealous of your wonderful collection the more i see of it.

[Caylan]

My collection has been paused until I can get adult caging for everyone right now, so you have a chance to catch up lol! I really like that Diamond X in your profile picture! ~Caylan.S.~

[shaunyboy]

I can't wait to breed Sync to this jag, or her sister, because I have to agree! Bredl's Diamond Jungle Jaguars are insane looking!! I will look up the jag you mentioned, but I'm considering staying away from jags and going strait sib! Not sure I know enough about the Jag gene to reproduce it again, its just too unpredictable..... I like them, and will continue to envy them, but I think the neuro just isn't worth it... again we'll see, Tiny still has no neuro symptoms, but she is still young and maybe be to small to comfortably breed... I'm still new, just knowledgeable, not necessarily experienced yet. I really can't wait to breed Sync to my Bredlu Jaguar Sibling though, so good call, and will happen someday! ~Caylan.S.~


in all the jags i've owned 2 showed very slight head wobbles when excited,another 1 while exploring its tank,used to get into wierd positions my other carpets would not think about doing

all my other jags showed no signs of neuro's at all,imo there are plenty jags out there with no neuro issues

that said i've seen adult jags start to show neuros at a late age

there has been little if any research done,on the cause of the neurological issues associated with the jaguar mutation and the death issues with the super form,leusistic carpets produced by jag x jag

cheers shaun

[marvelfreak]

My collection has been paused until I can get adult caging for everyone right now, so you have a chance to catch up lol! I really like that Diamond X in your profile picture! ~Caylan.S.~
Thanks it's a full blood black and white Diamond. I wish it was mine. It a picture i found years ago and saved to my computer. Pure Diamonds are my dream snake.

[Caylan]

Of course there has been little research done, noone who has the tools to do proper research doesn't realize a jaguar carpet python exists. Its up to us to choose whether or not to use our biological knowledge for the sake of the species or our own monetary gain. People like what they see rather then the future, and the future of jags is bright! But not mine, I ended up with some jags that may never be suitable to breed... but I have already gotten myself excited for the normal hybrid/cross carpets I can make with.without the jaguar gene(I have hopes for tiny, but won't push it) Truth is I like handling snakes rather then producing them, but I have recently learned the benefits of hand raising like birds, which makes both that much more fun!! I maybe a noob, but I plan on being a long term noob at least. ~Caylan.S.~

[shaunyboy]

Of course there has been little research done, noone who has the tools to do proper research doesn't realize a jaguar carpet python exists. Its up to us to choose whether or not to use our biological knowledge for the sake of the species or our own monetary gain. People like what they see rather then the future, and the future of jags is bright! But not mine, I ended up with some jags that may never be suitable to breed... but I have already gotten myself excited for the normal hybrid/cross carpets I can make with.without the jaguar gene(I have hopes for tiny, but won't push it) Truth is I like handling snakes rather then producing them, but I have recently learned the benefits of hand raising like birds, which makes both that much more fun!! I maybe a noob, but I plan on being a long term noob at least. ~Caylan.S.~

the jag neuro is so unpredictable that.....

jags with bad neuro's,have produced neuro free hatchlings

jags with no neuro's,have produced hatchlings with bad neuro issues

the jaguar colour and pattern mutation imo brings a lot of good things regards carpet genetics

in 2011 over in europe they were producing triple morphed carpets,the number of morphs incorperated will only get higher and even better looking over the next few years

i look forward to things like the zebra super form x albino,granite albino's,to name but a few

have a look at what precision reptiles,uk pythons and marc mense all have for sale in europe.

they are at least 10 years ahead of the uk and the states imo

cheers shaun

[Caylan]

I'm well aware of whats available in europe... I try not to think about that though lol. Jaguar is so similar to the spider ball python morph its not even funny, and I have quite a bit of experience with that, on top of a couple jag clutches... If spider balls are still neuro after years of outcrossing, I unfortunately have little hope for jags. However I love both spiders and jags(and woma ball pythons for that matter) No reason to quit breeding jags or spiders, both are great, but my jag so far may be unbreedable due to it being slightly more special needs.. it is only 2.5 years old and a few meals behind, so who knows, but right now it doesn't look good.As for europe being so ahead, I have to agree and disagree, far too much variety in a single clutch to say they have it won... I mean we do have Gamma line, Neon line, Day glow line, and those are all off shoots of a single jag line! Just a matter of time before we take over the rest of the morphs! ~Caylan.S.~

[Terranaut]

Nice patterns and great colour. Where abouts in Canada are you??

[shaunyboy]

I'm well aware of whats available in europe... I try not to think about that though lol. Jaguar is so similar to the spider ball python morph its not even funny, and I have quite a bit of experience with that, on top of a couple jag clutches... If spider balls are still neuro after years of outcrossing, I unfortunately have little hope for jags. However I love both spiders and jags(and woma ball pythons for that matter) No reason to quit breeding jags or spiders, both are great, but my jag so far may be unbreedable due to it being slightly more special needs.. it is only 2.5 years old and a few meals behind, so who knows, but right now it doesn't look good.As for europe being so ahead, I have to agree and disagree, far too much variety in a single clutch to say they have it won... I mean we do have Gamma line, Neon line, Day glow line, and those are all off shoots of a single jag line! Just a matter of time before we take over the rest of the morphs! ~Caylan.S.~


its only carpets i keep so i'm not really up on the spider ball

am i correct in saying ALL spider balls have a neuro condition ?

if so then its not quite the same for jags

i know of jags form the early years,that are well into adulthood with no neuro issues

a recent debate among morelia keepers,compairing how many jags they have produced,against how many they have seen with neuro's,came to the conclusion that it may be as little as 5 or 10 percent that have issues

re multipule morphs
imo its NOT so much a case of who's won

its a case of who is producing new and exciting high quality great looking morelia

i look forward especially to see,what those lucky enough to be working with adult albino carpets,produce over the next few years

beauty is in the eye of the beholder though,because i would take my pure diamonds over any morph or morph combination

re gamma line
that is an american line started by John Battaglia of morelia trophy club

we are lucky enough to have access to american morelia if need be,through Nick Mutton of the usa,dropping them off with paul harris of ukpythons in europe

re neon line and day glow line
are these new names for gamma crosses making new lines,or are these lines gamma free

i vaguely recall seeing a pictures of one of these lines but cannot recollect who produced them mate ?

imo,Australia will be the place to watch from now on,as they caught up fast after they had some morphs smuggled in a few yerars ago,and they are the motherland after all

its good to have more carpet lovers/keepers on the forum mate

any chance of a full body picture of your bredl jag please,hint,hint

cheers shaun

[Caylan]

Not all spiders have problems, and many spider combos are neuro free, so I beleive it is very similar to jaguar genes. Also no viable super for spider ball pythons, also similar to jags(though I beleive it's just a case of dominace not co-dominance, but I'm no scientist/geneticist) If I had to guess though, they could easily be the same morph occuring in two different species, like hypo burmese and lesser ball pythons. May not be compatible or even the same gene, but we can all agree the phenotypes are similar, supers are very similar, and lets face it, how many snake species come in albino?
As for saying europe hasn't won, that was poorly put. Just defensive on my part, I tend to do that, sorry. Truth is I envy a lot of what is available in Europe, in terms of other snake species(White lips, rough scales, etc) and the carpet morphs are no exception! But I have to agree, Australia is where it's at!!! Have you seen the atherton jungles that resemble jaguars? Now thats a sweet project! Again goes back to my single morph occuring in multiple species/subspecies.
Jeff favelle produced Gamma, so it was started it Canada. Only was it changed to the gamma line when John got her. She was orignally part of Jeff's neon line though. Dayglow line is another off shoot of Jeffs neons, owned by Henry Piorun.
My snake Punk, is a second generation of the neon line, similar to when John bred gamma back to her son.
Anyway, Australia will be the place to watch now like you said. People think they know carpets until they start really looking into what's in australia... its like seeing a bunch of new species almost.
http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww355/Inugohan/Iiim%20Baaack/7upfullbody.jpg

[shaunyboy]

thank you for that very interesting information mate

i thought john had produced the gamma line,i had no idea it originated with jeff.i'm glad you corrected me,as i'm a stipler for getting facts 100% correct when it comes to morelia

re henry poiorun
do you know if that interesting albino/leucy type wierd hatchling he hatched out is still alive ? (it had neuro issues)

you are perfectly correct to be defensive and proud of the morelia canada has produced mate;)

many thanks for the picture of the wee bredl jag

i love the hypo lines of bredl and the hypo coastal lines oz has,i would love access to some ozzy stock

the first legal roughies arrived in germany a few months back...!!

the usa already have them and have been successfully bred,by terry philps of the reptile garden

theres still much work and understanding of morelia genetics to be done imo

:D " JUST GOTTA LOVE CARPETS " :D

cheers shaun

[Caylan]

Not a problem, I had to get it all straight myself if I want to look like I know what I'm doing hehe. I've been bugging Jeff for info for forever now, and I have no problem sharing! John definately took the Gamma line and made it his own, theres no doubt about that, but was a Favelle neon line originally.
I also really like the hypo bredli's and would love one or two someday myself. There was a hypo bredli jaguar who was a sister to mine, that was just insane looking! It was a definate toss up between getting her, or my runt. But I always have to go for the challenging ones lol. That being said, I really prefer the pure bredli's to the bredli jaguars any day. Might have to break down one day and get one even if it isn't hypo lol.
Carpet python genetics are still in the beginning stages really, we haven't got a clue yet lol. I don't think many people realize there are locale specific snakes within the different subspecies even, just assume all jungles are jungles, all coastals are coastals, and so on. It's not until you take a look at Ozzy forums that you really find out how little we really have for carpet genetics to work with.

PS: I have no good pictures of this snake at all... this shot is decent I guess, sibling to my bredli jag, she's also a 50% bredli %50 coastal. Another runt with a bad attitude!
http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww355/Inugohan/Iiim%20Baaack/Purityfullbody.jpg

[shaunyboy]

click the link bellow,its my friends diamond bredl jag

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/new-forum/88133-hello-edinburgh.html?highlight=schroomy

i left the ozzy forums a while back,when it was still full of morph haters.even though there was NO way morphs from the uk could poloute their wild,they used to freak out about us posting morphs:D

have a look at the " hello from edinburgh " link in this post.the first pic is of probaly the best looking jag in scotland.chris bought it from Rolph Mikellson of europe.he does a lot of work with bredl combinations

cheers shaun

[Caylan]

I've seen that Jag before, its just nuts! I really like bredli diamond crosses to be honest, they actually mesh really nicely. I'm hoping to breed Sync to Purity some day and get something of a similar result to what I've seen in bredli diamonds. I never became a member of the Ozzy forums, I always used moreliapythons.com. ROlf has some amazing stuff, his red coastal jags are insane!! ~Caylan.s.~

[shaunyboy]

I've seen that Jag before, its just nuts! I really like bredli diamond crosses to be honest, they actually mesh really nicely. I'm hoping to breed Sync to Purity some day and get something of a similar result to what I've seen in bredli diamonds. I never became a member of the Ozzy forums, I always used moreliapythons.com. ROlf has some amazing stuff, his red coastal jags are insane!! ~Caylan.s.~

a guy called yasser from the usa,has some really insane stuff as well mate,there are some amazing morelia keepers on that forum mate

olli from precision is always one to watch,i honestly believe he has the best quality collection outside of australia...!!

has jeff got a website ?

if so could you please pm me it,as we cannot advertise other forums on here,so i'm not sure if putting his site up would be allowed

cheers shaun

[Caylan]

Yasser has some sweet stuff, no doubt about that! Precision snakes are great, we've had a few of them at work, including a stunning male DJJ. They definately know what they're doing over there thats for sure! I would love to import a german blood jungle through Don Patterson sometime!
Jeff doesn't have a website(well he does but its now been a year since updates) but he's online a lot and regularly checks emails, and seems to love talking carpets lol. Just google Jeff Favelle and it comes up right away, and I will pm you his email address just incase.
My new goal for morelia is going to be importing a rough scaled from somewhere, now that I've seen Paul has them, it should be near enough in the future. Boelens would also be a sweet morelia to own someday! But again, I'm really shooting for leiopython, so I might just save for that oppurtunity again instead of anything, we'll see!

[shaunyboy]

a guy in norway sells black phase white lips at a reasonable price mate

olli has some beautifull neon looking diamond jungle jags

the german bloodline hatchlings seem to sell before they've even hatched

roughies imo will be crazy prices the first few years,but they are very easy to breed,so imo the price will drop fast.also once LEGAL hatchlingsa start showing up,i think there will be lots of ILLEGAL ones flooding the market,which should help drop the price.have you seen the length of the teeth on roughies :shocked: theyre huge

terry philps of the reptile garden in the usa,bred roughies last year or the year before.it may be easier for you to aquire some from terry ?

cheers shaun

[red ink]

Roughies are great, unbelievable to hold and quite a strange sensation. Quite eerie sometimes they way they "eyeball" you.

You don't have to worry bout their teeth their bloody daft little things lol.

I'm actually torn between Black and White (RP) cheynei, albino variegata or carinata as my next aquisition as I'm out of room but want a display animal.

If the same trend holds as it did price wise here, your looking at about 7-10 years before they hit under 1k. They are now under $500 here even for yearlings and sometimes adults.

[shaunyboy]

Roughies are great, unbelievable to hold and quite a strange sensation. Quite eerie sometimes they way they "eyeball" you.

You don't have to worry bout their teeth their bloody daft little things lol.

I'm actually torn between Black and White (RP) cheynei, albino variegata or carinata as my next aquisition as I'm out of room but want a display animal.


tough choice mate

i'd be like a kid in a candy store if i lived in oz;)

i'd love a pair of pure darwins,a pair of roughies and a pair of every specific locale of diamonds

cheers shaun

[millertime89]

I love the nose on your first one.

[red ink]

Just cause I can be cheeky bout it....

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn214/Red-Ink-Buldogs/ballarat/733f6889.jpg

[Caylan]

Thanks everyone! I love all python noses, something about them!
Does this guy in Norway have CITES permits?? LOL!
I started buying my jag a a year before she was produced. I wanted to be first in line, and I was lol. So I have no problem buying a jungle before it hatches if it meant getting the jungle! I did the same thing for my black blood python, and Lucky me there were only 3 in the clutch(problems... with the incubator lets say) so I got my beautiful Nephry! Pays to be first in line.
I would want the same thing for the rough scales to be honest, so I'll be waiting a long time most likely! Hopefully no longer then 10 years... thats a bit long. Luckily my holy grail is still the White lips and Bolenes, so I should be happy in a good 3-5 years or so, keep me going until the roughies are available(and ball pythons are cheap like cornsnakes!)
Beautiful Rough scaled pytohn, is that yours? I personally love their eyes, especially the really blue eyed ones! I've never held one yet, I imagine it similar to a rattle snake though. But that you don't let slide through your hands like you can with a python lol. I can only imagine how it feels around your neck... I can't wait to have one lol! ~Caylan.S.~

PS If I were in australia, you can bet I'd want all the locality Jungles lol! Just wondering, are Oenpelli Python available there at all? Thats an elusive snake I've been dying to see more pictures of! Any info would be great, thanks in advance!

[red ink]

You can really shorten the 10 year wait for a roughie by equating 1 grand per year and whala.... a rough scaled python.

Nah mate, not mine it's at the local wildlife park.

Oenpellis....... the search has started (over a decade in the making) as there are a lot of beurucratic crap/permits legalities and the like to go through. One person is currently trying to search for them to bring them into captivity as he has been given a capture permit. Unfortunately that's proper rough country out there and each expedition which may only be a few weeks long cost a lot of money as you need to be dropped in by helicopter a long with all the supplies. The first expedition was a bust mate, three weeks out there and these guys are proper herpers that know that land came up empty handed.

It will be a while mate, probably close to another decade before they are established in captivity as first and foremost the capture permit is given as a permit to establish an "ark" for them. To study their natural behaviour and the like and actually just to find out about the animal itself. So with that it will be a while before they are released to the public. The person that has the permit though is a private individual and a reptile breeder, actually the first person to establish albino olive pythons (from a wildcaught specimen) and granite olive pythons. I'll PM you his name and his site if your interested.

I have a pair of locality specific Jungles by the way, a Tully locale male and an Atherton locale female.

[shaunyboy]

Just cause I can be cheeky bout it....

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn214/Red-Ink-Buldogs/ballarat/733f6889.jpg

you need to go buy some eroughies mate

then you can tease the hell out us with pictures of these unusual morelia;)

or box them up and ship them to me:eek:

let us know what you decide to get please mate

cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

Thanks everyone! I love all python noses, something about them!
Does this guy in Norway have CITES permits?? LOL!
I started buying my jag a a year before she was produced. I wanted to be first in line, and I was lol. So I have no problem buying a jungle before it hatches if it meant getting the jungle! I did the same thing for my black blood python, and Lucky me there were only 3 in the clutch(problems... with the incubator lets say) so I got my beautiful Nephry! Pays to be first in line.
I would want the same thing for the rough scales to be honest, so I'll be waiting a long time most likely! Hopefully no longer then 10 years... thats a bit long. Luckily my holy grail is still the White lips and Bolenes, so I should be happy in a good 3-5 years or so, keep me going until the roughies are available(and ball pythons are cheap like cornsnakes!)
Beautiful Rough scaled pytohn, is that yours? I personally love their eyes, especially the really blue eyed ones! I've never held one yet, I imagine it similar to a rattle snake though. But that you don't let slide through your hands like you can with a python lol. I can only imagine how it feels around your neck... I can't wait to have one lol! ~Caylan.S.~

PS If I were in australia, you can bet I'd want all the locality Jungles lol! Just wondering, are Oenpelli Python available there at all? Thats an elusive snake I've been dying to see more pictures of! Any info would be great, thanks in advance!


the guy in norways black phase are all legally aquired,i'll try and track his webite down for you mate

he had only females for sale last year at hamn show,a friend of mine helen caffers on here bought one.

imo roughies prices should plummet 4,5,6 years from now,due to them having large clutches,easy to breed and all the older smuggled roughies hatchlings will be able to come out,as soon as the legal ones hit the market 3 or 4 years from now (in europe)

cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

You can really shorten the 10 year wait for a roughie by equating 1 grand per year and whala.... a rough scaled python.

Nah mate, not mine it's at the local wildlife park.

Oenpellis....... the search has started (over a decade in the making) as there are a lot of beurucratic crap/permits legalities and the like to go through. One person is currently trying to search for them to bring them into captivity as he has been given a capture permit. Unfortunately that's proper rough country out there and each expedition which may only be a few weeks long cost a lot of money as you need to be dropped in by helicopter a long with all the supplies. The first expedition was a bust mate, three weeks out there and these guys are proper herpers that know that land came up empty handed.

It will be a while mate, probably close to another decade before they are established in captivity as first and foremost the capture permit is given as a permit to establish an "ark" for them. To study their natural behaviour and the like and actually just to find out about the animal itself. So with that it will be a while before they are released to the public. The person that has the permit though is a private individual and a reptile breeder, actually the first person to establish albino olive pythons (from a wildcaught specimen) and granite olive pythons. I'll PM you his name and his site if your interested.

I have a pair of locality specific Jungles by the way, a Tully locale male and an Atherton locale female.

Oenpellis would be the one python i would love more than any other ozzy morelia mate

i'd even move a diamond out to grab a pair of them

it is one of only a few pythons that has the ability to change colour and i've read they can grow as large as 4.5 metres ?

Arnhem Land escarpment,Kakadu National park in the Nothern Territory being the only place you find these rare and wonderfull snakes (i think ?)

imo truely special morelia that i'd do just about anything to work with (never going to happen;))

RED INK
who aquired the capture licence for these guys ?

Peter Krauss has done some work with these beautys

cheers shaun

[millertime89]

I too am curious who got the capture license. Should just post a link.

[red ink]

Oenpellis would be the one python i would love more than any other ozzy morelia mate

i'd even move a diamond out to grab a pair of them

it is one of only a few pythons that has the ability to change colour and i've read they can grow as large as 4.5 metres ?

Arnhem Land escarpment,Kakadu National park in the Nothern Territory being the only place you find these rare and wonderfull snakes (i think ?)

imo truely special morelia that i'd do just about anything to work with (never going to happen;))

RED INK
who aquired the capture licence for these guys ?

Peter Krauss has done some work with these beautys

cheers shaun


PK had his seized by the govt. not his wrong doing but theirs through some nefarious officials. His died in their care.

Gavin Bedford is the man with his hand on the trigger and hopefully he has some success soon. Me personally have no interest in ever owning one but would love to see one in the flesh even just in zoos.

About Gavin Bedford | Albino Snakes Pythons Gavin Bedford Darwin Australia (http://albinopython.com.au/gavin.html)

[millertime89]

Wow, he's got some awesome snakes already in his possession. Looks like he's got a Leucy as well!

[red ink]

Wow, he's got some awesome snakes already in his possession. Looks like he's got a Leucy as well!


It's an albino Olive python, the other albino species here in OZ (we also have albino spotted pythons). Though it's not taking off as well as the Albino carpets due to their shear size and some what unprecictable disposition. Olives are a big snake that can be tempremental.

[snakehill]

I'll take one!!! :)

[Caylan]

Thank you for all the information, I have a lot of reading to do now! ~Caylan.S.~

[millertime89]

It's an albino Olive python, the other albino species here in OZ (we also have albino spotted pythons). Though it's not taking off as well as the Albino carpets due to their shear size and some what unprecictable disposition. Olives are a big snake that can be tempremental.

its gorgeous regardless.

[red ink]

its gorgeous regardless.


Definitely mate, very impressive in the flesh. It's an albino with a slight iridescence to it :Wow:.

[shaunyboy]

PK had his seized by the govt. not his wrong doing but theirs through some nefarious officials. His died in their care.

Gavin Bedford is the man with his hand on the trigger and hopefully he has some success soon. Me personally have no interest in ever owning one but would love to see one in the flesh even just in zoos.

About Gavin Bedford | Albino Snakes Pythons Gavin Bedford Darwin Australia (http://albinopython.com.au/gavin.html)


how sad that an interfering government idiot,takes peters oenpellis and preceded to kill them with their bad husbandry:unibrow::angry:

peter must have been gutted and very angry at these idiots mate:no:

on a less selfish note,i'd be happy to see them thrive a liitle more and build their numbers up in the wild

it would be very sad indeed if these guys were to become extinct

thanks for the constant great info (as always),on all things oz mate;)

re gavins website
imo,oenpellis for £10,000 a pair is not too much to own the first of these beauty's in captivity

his albino olives are one of,if not thee best carpet i've ever seen

you are so lucky to live in the mother land my friend

cheers shaun

[Caylan]

Its very unfortunate Peter lost his snakes, that must have been devastating... the governments really seem to have no clue regarding any animals...
I had no idea the oenpelli python had light blue tongues, that is very cool! I wonder if that is a common trait or just that one photo. I sure wish I had $4000 and a few friends to go find out though!
Also, not sure you meant to say the best carpet you've ever seen, hehe...
Living in Australia must be just amazing, ~Caylan.s.~

[red ink]

Living in Australia must be just amazing, ~Caylan.s.~

It's pretty good can't complain really... well I live in the Southern part (Victoria) and it's a reptile desert due to the weather, no carpet pythons:mad:

[Caylan]

Yeah our weather right now is none to kind on the reptiles either... Canadian winters to say the least(though I live in Canada's California so I can't complain) but where theres snow, theres s'no' reptiles.... What I would give to find wild carpets instead of garters in my backyard though....

[shaunyboy]

Its very unfortunate Peter lost his snakes, that must have been devastating... the governments really seem to have no clue regarding any animals...
I had no idea the oenpelli python had light blue tongues, that is very cool! I wonder if that is a common trait or just that one photo. I sure wish I had $4000 and a few friends to go find out though!
Also, not sure you meant to say the best carpet you've ever seen, hehe...
Living in Australia must be just amazing, ~Caylan.s.~


i mean't the albino olive pictured,was one of the best carpet pythons i have ever seen

if not thee actuall best carpet i have ever seen mate;)

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at some point i mean to add a pair of normal olives to my collection,i think their sheer size will add to the enjoyment of my collection.they must be very powerfull snakes mate

cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

Wow, he's got some awesome snakes already in his possession. Looks like he's got a Leucy as well!


to date the only way that has been foung to produce a leusistic carpet python is.....

jaguar x jaguar

sadly the leucy's only live at most for a few hours out the egg,thats if they even make it out in the first place mate :sad:

leusistic carpets are the super form of the jaguar mutation

cheers shaun

[snakehill]

I can't stand it anymore! All of your beautiful carpets make me want another one! (I had a Jungle about 8 years ago. He was a great snake!) The only problem would be choosing one! There are so many more varieties now!!! Jags are so beautiful!

[Caylan]

Olives aren't carpet pythons though are they? I thought they were liasis... maybe I'm wrong, I'll do some reading! Definately get a carpet python snakehill, jaguar siblings are cheap, everywhere, and make great pets. Look at my avatar, he was a free snake....

[snakehill]

He is a beauty!!! ;)

[shaunyboy]

Olives aren't carpet pythons though are they? I thought they were liasis... maybe I'm wrong, I'll do some reading! Definately get a carpet python snakehill, jaguar siblings are cheap, everywhere, and make great pets. Look at my avatar, he was a free snake....

you are perfectly correct mate

olive = Liasis olivaceus olivaceus

my bad,i should have said one of the best looking " ozzy " snakes i've seen:no:

im that used to only writing the word carpet when admiring ozzy snakes,i got it wrong big style :wacky::shocked:

many thanks for correcting me mate;)

cheers shaun

[Caylan]

you are perfectly correct mate

olive = Liasis olivaceus olivaceus

my bad,i should have said one of the best looking " ozzy " snakes i've seen:no:

im that used to only writing the word carpet when admiring ozzy snakes,i got it wrong big style :wacky::shocked:

many thanks for correcting me mate;)

cheers shaun

Truth is, I thought I mighta missed something. They do somewhat resemble carpets as well, well I thought they did until I looked at them again... they sure are amazing snakes, I would love an aussie olive! An albino would be that much better though.

[shaunyboy]

Truth is, I thought I mighta missed something. They do somewhat resemble carpets as well, well I thought they did until I looked at them again... they sure are amazing snakes, I would love an aussie olive! An albino would be that much better though.

normal olives can be bought over here,but not albino's mores the pity

cheers shaun

[Caylan]

Yeah I'm sure I will venture into the normal olives eventually, it is unfortunate about the albinos though.