There will be time for introductions later, but what is this!?!?

[VaranidLover]

I just giot my sav today, and the breeder told me he has a bad tail kink. well, I am a sucker for "rescues" and decided to buy him, to have another shot at monitors (after my best buddy Lrrr passed away :( )

But then just a few hours later I set him up fully, and when he pooped soon after I noticed this...

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/417/dsc01208cr.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/dsc01208cr.jpg/)

What is happening!!! I am so upset, I finally get another sav and he is having issues already... nothing happened to him, he didn't fall or anything. it just came up...

Is it possible that it's just hemipenes and im freaking out for nothing?

Help is greatly appreciated ASAP! I really want to know if this is something serious, and if so how to treat it

Thank you very much!

[SpOoKy]

I don't want to jump to conclusions and I may be wrong but maybe a prolapse.

Never had it happen to any of mine that is why I am not sure.

[VaranidLover]

I don't want to jump to conclusions and I may be wrong but maybe a prolapse.

Never had it happen to any of mine that is why I am not sure.

He/she has a really kinked tail too... could that effect anything?

And if it is a prolapse what would be the best course of action?

[SpOoKy]

Like i said i have never had it happen to me so i am not the best person for advice on prolapse IF in fact it is that. I would suggest a vet visit. Unless someone else here has a better idea but I am pretty sure most will agree with the vet. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Good luck, hope all turns out okay.

[VaranidLover]

Like i said i have never had it happen to me so i am not the best person for advice on prolapse IF in fact it is that. I would suggest a vet visit. Unless someone else here has a better idea but I am pretty sure most will agree with the vet. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Good luck, hope all turns out okay.

Unfortunately, If this is something as serious as a prolapse I will probably just return him as bad as that sounds :(

I don't have the experience to deal with that kind of thing and I would hate for him to die on me straight after my other sav....

I wish I could just get a 100% healthy sav but it doesnt look like they exist :(

besides chomper

I am very depressed now, and that "thing" still hasn't gone back in.

I am going to call the breeder tomorrow and if its serious and they need to see him, I am returning him. I won't be able to handle another sav dying on me for a LOOOOOOONG time if I get one (certainly not hours - days after I buy it!)

I am so angry, *sigh* we'll see what happens tomorrow...

[SpOoKy]

I would suggest for now putting him on paper towel as substrate to keep the area clean.

[VaranidLover]

I would suggest for now putting him on paper towel as substrate to keep the area clean.

The best I have is newspaper, Ill lay that down over the dirt because removing all the dirt would be a lot of stress on him

Thanks! Ill do that now

[SpOoKy]

Make sure to keep the humidity up also. IF it is a prolapse it is very important to keep the area from drying out.
Again good luck with everything

[VaranidLover]

Make sure to keep the humidity up also. IF it is a prolapse it is very important to keep the area from drying out.
Again good luck with everything

Should I make the newspaper damp then?

There is also 3 - 4 inches of dirt that is very wet and a very big water bowl (for the size of the tub)

I am also going to cover all the holes besides the screen (I installed a small aquarium screen to my savs tub before getting him, for the basking spot!!), to reduce loss of humidity

Thanks

[SpOoKy]

yes cover all spaces that will allow humidity to escape.

[VaranidLover]

yes cover all spaces that will allow humidity to escape.

how bout wetting the newspaper? Its been down for a while now

[stephanbakir]

I'm not a varanid guy, but I've worked with them in the past... sometimes babies musk when they are being handled/scared and their cloaca stays open for a bit.

[infernalis]

I would suggest for now putting him on paper towel as substrate to keep the area clean.

That's what I was going to say, a clean cage with some water to swim / soak in and no dirt or shavings in with the lizard.

Keep it warm too. see how it looks in the morning.

They have a vent flap just like a snake, everything is in there, reproductive, urinary and fecal all from the same opening.

Leave the sav alone too, see how it looks when you don't handle.

[shaunyboy]

keeping a prolapse moist is essential

a solution of sugar and water is what we use over here

put the reptile in a tub with enough sugar water solution in the bottom to allow the prolapse to soak,this keeps the prolapse from drying out

if it drys out it can lose blood circulation and the tissue can die

a trip to the vets would also be required

re prolapses
i have only seen prolapses in snakes,so i am not qualified to comment on your lizard

i'm sure wayne will have a much better idea of whats going on

i hope it all works out

all the best shaun

p.s. just posted and waynes beaten me to it

[infernalis]

Unfortunately I have never experienced this......

[VaranidLover]

Dang! we'll, I've done the best I can do.

I put him on newspaper, and I kinda swamped it up so that the exposed "prolapse" can stay wet

I used really hot water sprayed through a spray bottle (so it comes out nice and warm!)

And that will soak into the dirt below soon so it wont last long, but I figure it'll give it time to hydrate

Thanks for the advice everyone! I have followed all of it to a T, Ill let you guys know how it goes tomorrow :(

[VaranidLover]

okay, so I got up to check on my little buddy and the water is no longer a swamp as I knew :)

He is sleeping, and when I put the light on him tosee him better he opened his eye so I know hes okay

Should I wake up every so often to give him a warm bath for that prolapse? just water high enough to soak it

Im worried that im going to wake up to a shriveled nightmare... I really don't want that for the little dude :(

What do you guys think?

[infernalis]

Let it rest overnight, constant attention is stressful.

[VaranidLover]

Let it rest overnight, constant attention is stressful.

will do, thanks Wayne!

I'm bringing him back to the breeder no matter what, once we look at him and figure out what is wrong I will determine if I keep him

I would LOVE to take in a rescue'd sav, but I have done that twice now and it's gone horribly wrong twice... Maybe i'm just choosing animals that are already too far gone?

Maybe if I do decide to return him, I'll get a healthy, slim one. If I can handle the treatment of a prolapse (not probable.. I have to admit when something is way out of my price range, and prolapse surgery is one of them) then I'll consider keeping this one...

So, we'll see what happens. Who know's maybe it's nothing and it'll be fine... I'm very anxious for tomorrow

[millertime89]

best of luck man, hope he pulls through and its nothing too serious for both of your sakes.

[VaranidLover]

update: I got to the breeder with the sav at 4 today, and after they saw him in person it was concluded that he was averting his hemipene's

After a little bit of research I think that is the case. He is at that age where he can't control it, and he is very stressed so he may be doing it on purpose for some other reason

When he was in the store he sucked them in when the breeder held him, so I think he felt comfortable because he "knew" who was holding him... but at my house and with me he is probably still scared :(

He was neglected before after all so he must be pretty scared of new people

I just hope he stop's doing it soon because the paranoia is just rampaging, when in reality hes most likely fine.

But, even though he is stressed I decided to give him a little food. I gave him one medium superworm and another bigger one, chopped in half and coated in calcium. He ate both of them with joy.

So, I know he is eating fine still :)

I will keep an eye on him and if anything gets worse ill go from there. Thanks!

[millertime89]

keep us posted, but that's good news

[alessia55]

That's really good news. I'm glad you figured out what it was. Just let him settle in and he'll relax more :)

[VaranidLover]

keep us posted, but that's good news

Will do! thanks :)

That's really good news. I'm glad you figured out what it was. Just let him settle in and he'll relax more :)

I am over joyed that I am still keeping him, and my parents have really fallen in love with him. So I am happy we got it figured out too

I had to set up the lights again, I had to move the hot side of the cage from being right up against the wall (never thought of that until today, dur)

So... I had to quickly ghetto it up again, and use an air conditioner as a platform for two wooden beams which hold up the lamp directly over the hot spot

No worries, this was an unexpected problem, but I'll have it figured out soon (gotta figure out how to suspend the lamp above the screen on the tub... or I could use two platforms that wont burn... like two small metal stands)

I'll check out the options and fix it asap

But other than the ghetto light setup (which isn't affecting anything negatively at all) everything is just fine! I am very happy he ate. I think if he had a prolapse he wouldn't be able to eat... it sounds really painful :Wow:

Thanks! Ill updated as soon as hes settled in. I am going to leave him alone completely unless I need to fix the light setup, or change water. It's gonna be hard to not visit the cute little sav!

[SpOoKy]

No worries, this was an unexpected problem, but I'll have it figured out soon (gotta figure out how to suspend the lamp above the screen on the tub... or I could use two platforms that wont burn... like two small metal stands)

I'll check out the options and fix it asap

But other than the ghetto light setup (which isn't affecting anything negatively at all) everything is just fine! I am very happy he ate. I think if he had a prolapse he wouldn't be able to eat... it sounds really painful

Good to hear that everything is okay, I would continue to keep an eye on it though.

If you are looking for a way to attach you light you can try something like i did. Aluminum heat duct end, it should be flat on one end and have an approx 4 inch tube coming out the top. I fixed the flat part against the lid and rest the light fixture on top. that way the heat gets sent down the tube into the tank and it does not have the hot heat lamp directly on your lid. i couldn't find a picture of one long like mine but this is close. they are cheap too, your local hardware store should sell them for $5 ish.

i will try to get my camera working so i can get you a pic of my set up but for now hopefully this pic will give you an idea.

[infernalis]

just for reference.. Chomper's ding dong.

http://www.mypetforums.com/photos/pp.jpg

[VaranidLover]

just for reference.. Chomper's ding dong.

http://www.mypetforums.com/photos/pp.jpg

Yeah, I am starting to be less and less convinced that it is hemipenes

No matter what I do now, it is drying up. In a few hours I am going to give him a long sugar loaded bath and see if that helps.

But I have come to the conclusion that maybe it's best to return him. I don't believe the story I'm being told by the store, this isn't normal and they look nothing like hemipenes to me

So... sadly after discussing it with a few family members I have decided it's best if I return him tomorrow morning. I didn't want to buy an animal that is going to need hundreds of dollars of vet bills right off the bat. I didn't sign up for that... I wanted a healthy active baby sav, but instead I got the exact opposite.

I was fine with the tail kink, not the prolapse

Just when I decide everything is okay, It all goes to hell again.

I hate my life

[infernalis]

When the time is right, you will find a nice one.. hang in there.

[shaunyboy]

wayne i mean't you would know if thats what a sav's butt should look like and just how much of it looks abnormal mate

it looks like at the very least its a partial prolapse to me

to the op
it really needs to be kept moist until you see a vet ( sooner the better imo )

mix some sugar in water,allow the sugar to disolve,then pour the sugar water in a tub,then put the lizard into the tub of sugar water and allow it to soak the prolapse

if the prolapse drys up the dead tissue needs removed with an operation at your vets

it may be the case that all your vet needs to do,is manipulate the prolapse back in or manipulate back in and put a couple of stitches in to keep it in place

cheers shaun

[alessia55]

just for reference.. Chomper's ding dong.

http://www.mypetforums.com/photos/pp.jpg

:eek: does it hang out all the time like that?! it's huuuge :p

[alessia55]

VaranidLover: don't get too bogged down. If you want to make sure you're getting a healthy sav that you can raise from the start, then yes, you should get a new baby. As of right now you've adopted this sav you have right now that looks like he needs medical attention from a vet. I wouldn't trust the person who gave him to you too much, just in case all he's doing is trying to get rid of the sav. I'd recommend taking it to a vet who's qualified to deal with savs and see what he says. The vet can probably tell you with more certainty if it's just the hemipenes and he's a little stressed, or if it is in fact a prolapse. I'd get a vets opinion about it before you jump to the conclusion that he is totally unhealthy and that you don't want him anymore. Think about it this way... He needs you; Maybe he came into your life for a reason... You never know :)

[VaranidLover]

VaranidLover: don't get too bogged down. If you want to make sure you're getting a healthy sav that you can raise from the start, then yes, you should get a new baby. As of right now you've adopted this sav you have right now that looks like he needs medical attention from a vet. I wouldn't trust the person who gave him to you too much, just in case all he's doing is trying to get rid of the sav. I'd recommend taking it to a vet who's qualified to deal with savs and see what he says. The vet can probably tell you with more certainty if it's just the hemipenes and he's a little stressed, or if it is in fact a prolapse. I'd get a vets opinion about it before you jump to the conclusion that he is totally unhealthy and that you don't want him anymore. Think about it this way... He needs you; Maybe he came into your life for a reason... You never know :)

I would love to help him but if it is a prolapse and needs surgery, I wont be able to afford that :(

I already have to take my cat and my dog to the vet, so right now isn't the best time to take on a sick sav :(

I feel so sorry for the little guy but I'm not in the position to help him if it's as severe as it looks.

I can't afford a vet for him at this moment, so the right thing to do is return him and get a hatchling next summer.

If I had the money and experience to deal with this I really would but, I don't right now. My cat really needs a vet for her eye and my dog has a strange growth on her ear that needs to be checked out. I already have appointments for them, so the money is spoken for

I feel terrible, but I know the right thing to do is to give him back. I didn't speak to the owner personally, but maybe they don't realize it's a prolapse? I talked to an employee so, that's a possibility. hopefully once hes back in their care they will get that sorted out

Thanks, but I honestly feel that's the right decision.

[VaranidLover]

When the time is right, you will find a nice one.. hang in there.

I hope so :(

Shaun, I am giving him the sugar water bath now. but it is already pretty dry, and I wont be able to stay up all night giving him baths because I have to work tomorrow

:(

This is just ripping my heart to shreds.. and even if I did have the money for the vets right now, they are all closed anyways. I wish I was prepared for what I was getting.. If I knew all this would happen I'd have said no to buying it and found another healthy sav to provide a good home to

I am not going to let this go on longer, I am going to return him ASAP in the morning and they will provide him with the care he needs (they are better suited to handle this right now)

Thanks everyone, I feel like crap about this whole situation. I feel the worst for the little sav though, because he's such a sweet heart

[Lankyrob]

Varanid, be sure that you are doing the right thing, the fact that it tearing you apart just shows your love for your animals, sometimes the hardest thing to do is the best and when you plan your next sav baby you can make sure that everything is in place ready for it.

Keep your chin up mate, it will all work out in the end. :)