Hello

[xhanth]

Well I live in WA and I at this point have a corn snake that I have had for a few months. Crazy cuz the snake has changed from a green and tan to a black and gray, I do find this black and gray more appealing to be honest. This is my second snake and both snakes I have owned have been from people that just could not care for them any more or they turned aggressive to them. The first was a 4 to 5 foot red tail that never bit me and I always spent time with it so it did like me I, found it almost had a child like personality and a major curiosity problem :P The corn snake is in many ways the same but maybe a little more pushy compared to the red tail. Any way just thought how I seem to be good with snakes and people keep giving them to me I might as well join the fan club. I do have to say I miss feeding my old red tail though just not the same with little mice :P is it strange that i enjoyed the rats scream :( plus both snakes I got from other people use frozen foods as soon as I changed to live foods I saw a huge change in the snakes attitude like a respect or a more enjoyable snake to be around also the red tail is still alive I found some one that liked snakes and wanted her bad cuz she did have awesome colors and I always kept her moist and gas like polish to her as well this corn snake look 100x better now. well i can type forever so I guess hello all and ttyal

[Lankyrob]

Hi, just wondering why you would take snakes that are eating frozen thawed and expose them to the dangers of live feeding?

[stephanbakir]

Hi, just wondering why you would take snakes that are eating frozen thawed and expose them to the dangers of live feeding?
This. Welcome either way.

[shaunyboy]

hello and welcome

in answer to your question.....

i do find it strange/disturbing you found enjoyment/pleasure in hearing rats scream

i have no problem with feeding live if it's for a very good reason,for instance a fussy feeder

i do however have trouble getting my head around,why someone would switch a snake ALREADY feeding on frozen thawed to live

imo causing uneccessary danger to the snake

cheers shaun

[marvelfreak]

Hello and welcome! I really like to see pictures of your corn snake. As for the color change it could just be in shed.

[stephanbakir]

Does your name have anything to do with the Xanth series of novels?

[xhanth]

I guess when I gave her the first dead hairless pinkie and the lifeless expression of her garbing it and pulling it in unsatisfying to me and the snake. I have a friend that breed mice so I have a limitless supply near me so I tried it. There is a instinctive connection to the snake to hunt she knows what to do period. When I see her rub her face in the hair and the enjoyment she gets every time it is 100% worth it to give this snake some enjoyment as well my self I take her out every day and does not hide from me compared to when I got her always hidden and wanting to strike me.

[xhanth]

And I will get some pictures just need to find me a good camera :)

[Lankyrob]

The snake does not ENJOY hunting - they dont have the capacity to do that, they just need to eat and will eat whatever is given to them. The enjoyment is purely from your side and you are putting the snake at major risk everytime you feed it live. Search for pics on here or google of snakes after rat/mice attacks - they WILL shock you.

[stephanbakir]

The snake does not ENJOY hunting - they dont have the capacity to do that, they just need to eat and will eat whatever is given to them. The enjoyment is purely from your side and you are putting the snake at major risk everytime you feed it live. Search for pics on here or google of snakes after rat/mice attacks - they WILL shock you.
I agree 110%!
I'll save him the trouble.
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[stephanbakir]

Added 4, there were MUCH worse examples... Intestines hanging out... etc... DON'T feed live if you can help it.

[Reptile_Reptile]

hello and welcome

in answer to your question.....

i do find it strange/disturbing you found enjoyment/pleasure in hearing rats scream

i have no problem with feeding live if it's for a very good reason,for instance a fussy feeder

i do however have trouble getting my head around,why someone would switch a snake ALREADY feeding on frozen thawed to live

imo causing uneccessary danger to the snake

cheers shaun
this and welcome too

[Onyx Cross]

Jayzuz, those pics are so awfully disturbing..

[Lankyrob]

Imagine that being your snake and you realise why we are quite tough on people that insist on feeding live :)

[Onyx Cross]

This is why I asked whether I should try feeding F/T mice.
I fear my baby ending up like those poor snakies..

[SnakeyJay]

Frozen/thawed all the way if possible. They still constrict the same and strike so the only joy to be gotten from it is if you have a few "issues" and like seeing animals suffer.

[stephanbakir]

Mice/rats/rabbits/chickens/goats/pigs It doesn't matter what you intend to feed your pet snake, it will still get dominated by the food item if it strikes wrong.

[xhanth]

I am sorry if i upset people but them pictures are like some one trying to feed a 10 pound rodent or something to a 5 pound snake them bites are huge man the animal getting fed was way bigger than the snake. I dont feed them random stuff I feed it small mice I clip the nails I dont brake the teeth but she is very good at striking the head and jaw.
And I feel the one job the one thing a snake has in existence is to hunt. You can call me a bad person but this snake has gone from biting and hating to enjoying my company I got the snake grown from some one who took it and didnt want or could not care for it any longer. This is the second snake I have gotten this way and on both accounts I have made them go from dull hate for people to a bond with me and only me it will strike other people but not me.
Just the other day I let her hunt in the grass out side and let me tell you the snake enjoyed every second of it. I know there is a chance of parasites but the natural world is what the snake was made for and I want to give that to her the safest way possible. It was my mouse not some wild mouse. If I need to I can go too pet co and a guy there breed mice and rate and I can get them de clawed and teeth taken out but I have not once had a problem with the teeth this corn does have scales as well it is not a scales corn. I want to feed rats but I know how much aggressive rats are and the mice are breed right down the street for free to me. This is what the natural world gave to me the snake and the supply of live mice and I will do what the natural world tells me to do.

[stephanbakir]

I am sorry if i upset people but them pictures are like some one trying to feed a 10 pound rodent or something to a 5 pound snake them bites are huge man the animal getting fed was way bigger than the snake. I dont feed them random stuff I feed it small mice I clip the nails I dont brake the teeth but she is very good at striking the head and jaw.
And I feel the one job the one thing a snake has in existence is to hunt. You can call me a bad person but this snake has gone from biting and hating to enjoying my company I got the snake grown from some one who took it and didnt want or could not care for it any longer. This is the second snake I have gotten this way and on both accounts I have made them go from dull hate for people to a bond with me and only me it will strike other people but not me.
Just the other day I let her hunt in the grass out side and let me tell you the snake enjoyed every second of it. I know there is a chance of parasites but the natural world is what the snake was made for and I want to give that to her the safest way possible. It was my mouse not some wild mouse. If I need to I can go too pet co and a guy there breed mice and rate and I can get them de clawed and teeth taken out but I have not once had a problem with the teeth this corn does have scales as well it is not a scales corn. I want to feed rats but I know how much aggressive rats are and the mice are breed right down the street for free to me. This is what the natural world gave to me the snake and the supply of live mice and I will do what the natural world tells me to do.
Snakes CAN'T enjoy, Snakes CAN'T bond, They don't have enough brain power. It's that simple. Those pictures are of normal people feeding normal sized meals to their animals, the snake bit wrong, and the mouse/rat/whatever started ripping off chunks of flesh. It's that simple. When I was 8, the pet shop had no F/T rats, my dad bought a live medium rat and for whatever reason offered it live instead of F/K (my snake normally took F/T XXL rats)
That medium rat tore a chunk the size of a golf ball out of my snake while we were in the other room (we knew very little about snakes back then and learned some lessons the hard way, as you will).

[Lankyrob]

Those pictures are from normal sized rats that were being fed to a normal snake and the rat having no place to run attacked the snake - perfectly understandable. There is only one excuse for feeding live and that is if you have a real trouble feeder and have been advised by a vet that the only way the snake is likely to eat is to feed live.

What you have done is taken a snake that is feeding in a perfectly safe way and introduce it to danger - at some point the prey will get a bite in on the snake and then you will be running around asking for advise as to what to do next. Your points are NOT valid in any way imo.

[Kayla90]

O.o I don't even own a snake yet and I'm not even that cruel to consider feeding my snake live after everything I've read and seen about the damage that could be inflicted upon the snake. It's simply cruel and sadistic on your part!

[Nos]

its not natural to keep snakes in cages this means anything they would do in the wild is out the door. also it would just put the snake through stress taking him out of his norm to feed him.

[stephanbakir]

I wouldn't call it cruel to the reptile, but towards they prey item yeh.
That being said, the reason I don't feed live is more because I don't want to take unneeded risks.
As a responsible keeper, its your job to make your animal as safe as possible.

[totheend]

Do you hear the natural world telling you that snakes belong in the wild?

Trust me, the snake doesn't thank you in any way for feeding it live. But the snake appreciates food....

I am not against feeding live (supervised obviously) but you need to educate yourself.

Snakey-Jay-BRB, snakes won't always constrict f/t food.

[ladyjustice33]

We had to feed Juno, our baby corn, a live pinky only once to help get her started cause she just wasn't eating at all. That was horrible, my hubby put the baby mouse in for me cause well instict for me would be to help a baby....I don't care what species it is. Unless I ever had a problem feeder again, it's always going to be f/t for my snakes. Not only for the safety of my snakes but out of compassion for the mouse/rat. In the wild, the mouse/rat does have some chance....sometimes the snake wins and eats and sometimes the mouse/rat gets to live another day, it's the circle of life. When you put the live mouse/rat in the tank with the snake, I'd say most of the time, the rodent doesn't have a chance and every once in a while you'll get a really tough rodent that can injure the snake. Now you have a rodent that could have had a much more humane death and possibly an injured snake!! I can't see any positives to that.

[Kayla90]

We had to feed Juno, our baby corn, a live pinky only once to help get her started cause she just wasn't eating at all. That was horrible, my hubby put the baby mouse in for me cause well instict for me would be to help a baby....I don't care what species it is. Unless I ever had a problem feeder again, it's always going to be f/t for my snakes. Not only for the safety of my snakes but out of compassion for the mouse/rat. In the wild, the mouse/rat does have some chance....sometimes the snake wins and eats and sometimes the mouse/rat gets to live another day, it's the circle of life. When you put the live mouse/rat in the tank with the snake, I'd say most of the time, the rodent doesn't have a chance and every once in a while you'll get a really tough rodent that can injure the snake. Now you have a rodent that could have had a much more humane death and possibly an injured snake!! I can't see any positives to that.
I completely agree with this!