Stop Rattlesnake Killing

[Kayla90]

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[SpOoKy]

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[Aaron_S]

What kind of killing are we talking about here?

The roundups or otherwise random hunting of rattlesnakes?

[Kayla90]

Errm.. I assume both?? Killing them either way is horrible..

[Dehlida]

Again I propose a question.

Why are you so against rattlesnake hunting/roundups when thousands of deer/fish/elk etc are hunted every year. The population is stable enough to support it. Why is the rattlesnake a more valueable animal?

Unless of course, you are against hunting all together ?

[stephanbakir]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but during the rattlesnake roundups, all parts of the animal are used? More or less.

[Kayla90]

Oh most definitely against hunting all together :)
I don't like when people kill any kind of animal. I understand, that yes people need to eat, but that doesn't mean you should do it for sport, or kill absolutely more than you have to.

[Aaron_S]

Fair enough that you're against killing altogether Kayla.

I believe Stephan is correct in that at the roundups they are used to the greatest amount. Meat is eaten, skin used etc. etc.

Dehlida made a good point about the population being very stable. I don't see a problem with these round ups.

[Kayla90]

Well honestly, I'm tired of people killing animals. I don't care whether its for food or not. We torture farm animals so we can feed ourselves, so instead of going off and killing other animals just because it's to your taste, why don't you just stick to the animals like Veal that you decide to chain up as babies so that their meat is just to your liking. Or the Chickens whose becks you shave down so that when they are all shoved together they don't peck each other to death. Why not eat the meat that society has decided to mass produce and feed chemicals just so you can be happy and have the meat to eat instead of going off and killing animals just because you enjoy it!

[Kayla90]

-.- Sorry that was a bit of a rant there... and was by no means directed towards any one person, but just society itself...

[Kayla90]

Also I'm just going to copy and paste what the info page said on the link:

Description
The way that many snake hunters capture Rattlesnakes by often spraying gasoline or other toxic chemicals into holes, rock crevices and burrows is deadly for the other creatures that share the den with the Rattlesnake--the Gopher tortoise is almost extinct due in part to this practice. This ignorant practice also pollutes the ground water that we and our livestock eventually will drink--so we are poisoning ourselves in our lust for greed and control.

General Information
The removal of even one Rattlesnake has a huge impact on the local populations of predators and prey where it was taken from. Rattlesnakes have a very slow reproductive rate and if many snakes are removed from an area in a short period of time then those snakes that are left will have a very hard time finding mates and controlling prey items such as rodents and rabbits which may then overpopulate spreading disease, damaging crops and offsetting the balance of nature.

Mission
STOP RATTLESNAKE ROUND UPS!

[Aaron_S]

First you say "people gotta eat" and now you're tune has changed. Which is it?

I had more to write but then I realized I just don't want that kind of argument tonight.

[Dehlida]

Well honestly, I'm tired of people killing animals. I don't care whether its for food or not. We torture farm animals so we can feed ourselves, so instead of going off and killing other animals just because it's to your taste, why don't you just stick to the animals like Veal that you decide to chain up as babies so that their meat is just to your liking. Or the Chickens whose becks you shave down so that when they are all shoved together they don't peck each other to death. Why not eat the meat that society has decided to mass produce and feed chemicals just so you can be happy and have the meat to eat instead of going off and killing animals just because you enjoy it!
We don't torture animals, certain people do. I kill animals for sport, as people have for a long time. Animals kill other animals for sport. It's nature- go read up on killer whales for a bit.

I'll eat any sort of meat- fresh meat from hunted game/fresh slaughtered animals I raise is fantastic. That doesn't mean I won't sometimes eat pre-packaged garbage just like everyone else.

Population is stable, we aren't killing off species. We are sustaining ourselves.

[stephanbakir]

Well honestly, I'm tired of people killing animals. I don't care whether its for food or not. We torture farm animals so we can feed ourselves, so instead of going off and killing other animals just because it's to your taste, why don't you just stick to the animals like Veal that you decide to chain up as babies so that their meat is just to your liking. Or the Chickens whose becks you shave down so that when they are all shoved together they don't peck each other to death. Why not eat the meat that society has decided to mass produce and feed chemicals just so you can be happy and have the meat to eat instead of going off and killing animals just because you enjoy it!
I'm a hunter, and a fisherman. I always have been, but I NEVER take the shot unless I'm confident it will be an instant kill. And I never take more then I need.

[Kayla90]

First you say "people gotta eat" and now you're tune has changed. Which is it?

I had more to write but then I realized I just don't want that kind of argument tonight.

Lol I know I went on a bit of a rant there, and when I do that sometimes I don't relay things properly. I am against killing, but I my paragraph was more about my anger towards what they do towards farmed animals such as veal and chicken not towards hunters.

We don't torture animals, certain people do. I kill animals for sport, as people have for a long time. Animals kill other animals for sport. It's nature- go read up on killer whales for a bit.


I never meant to indicate that hunters torture animals, I know a couple people that are hunters, such as Stephan. They way he hunts I have no problem with, I also know that he does it when he does survival camps as well. My anger was mainly directed towards people who do mistreat animals.

[Jenn_06]

the only killing im against is the people that kill snake or other animals because they dont know better.

I from Oklahoma and been to many snake roundups and they use almost every part of the snake. If you think about it its a must if we did not do snake roundups there will be a over population and more people will get hurt same with deer hunting from my town to the next i can count about 15 deers on the side of the road.

[Uncle_Rev]

As a born and raised Texan (moved to Florida in my late 30's) I will have to disagree with the idea of stopping roundups/hunts.

In places such as Texas and Oklahoma most folks use everything from the vent-end to the fangs and pretty much consume everything in between.

I know it sounds barbaric toting these guys in by the bucket but I promise you there are entire families of snake wranglers that have lived by this tradition for many, many years.

Despite my new found love of snakes, rattlers are a tough lot and those who fail at the craft of "wranglin" pay more than their pound of flesh learning this lesson.

[Lankyrob]

Not against hunting per se, have done some of my own in my youth and would again if i was more mobile. I am against more organised hunts where it is purely the sheer number of humans against the animals that guarantee a kill.

If you want to go hunt an animal, go alone, and do all the work yourself. Standing with a glass of champagne next to your Range Rover whilst you pay for people to shepherd animals into your firing line isnt hunting. Neither is using a massive pack of dogs/horses to chase down an animal.

my 0.02cents

[Jenn_06]

Not against hunting per se, have done some of my own in my youth and would again if i was more mobile. I am against more organised hunts where it is purely the sheer number of humans against the animals that guarantee a kill.

If you want to go hunt an animal, go alone, and do all the work yourself. Standing with a glass of champagne next to your Range Rover whilst you pay for people to shepherd animals into your firing line isnt hunting. Neither is using a massive pack of dogs/horses to chase down an animal.

my 0.02cents


i hate when people hunt like that, last year i went with my husband hunting and had to go back home after a hour because there was about 20 people in a line walking out in the corn field, as soon as a deer gets scared and tries to run away someone shots it... To me thats not how we should hunt.

[Kayla90]

i hate when people hunt like that, last year i went with my husband hunting and had to go back home after a hour because there was about 20 people in a line walking out in the corn field, as soon as a deer gets scared and tries to run away someone shots it... To me thats not how we should hunt.

Sigh, no that's just freaking sad :no: