View Full Version : Rescued a Sav. Need some help.
So I ad up on Kijiji, if anyone knows about that, taking in reptiles people don't want anymore. I ended up getting a Sav yesterday. And I'm glad I did because she doesn't look the greatest. I believe shes overweight. The owner fed her dog food, raw steak, rats, and pretty much any uncooked meat. Her housing is a whopping 2x4 wood box with some chicken wire on top. And the substrate is like pieces of mulch, chunks of brick, previous sheds, and it wasn't enough to even cover the ground. And they had no idea how old she is.
So what I'm asking is, does she look overweight? if yes, what is a good diet i can put her on because is not active at all right now, at least when Ive had her out.
Any quick fix cages I could make, or can this little box last until the end of the month when I can put something together that is proper?
I have read the The Savannah Monitor, Varanus exanthematicus (http://savannahmonitor.org/) site up and down so I do have ideas for a nice enclosure.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I just want her to be in the best environment possible. Thanks
Jenn_06
02-15-11, 05:12 PM
yes WAY overweight, never seen one that fat. no more rats for while and never feed dog food, feed her insects for now on, when she is back to normal weight rats is not that bad to feed if you do it like once a month
Poor girl, she definitely looks in bad shape, and was obviously not living in the proper conditions or fed a proper diet and lack of water.
How big is she?
I would start building an enclosure today. Do you own your own house with a basement?
NennaMeerkat
02-15-11, 05:52 PM
Poor thing, looks painfully fat. No feeding for a while I would say. Nothing but bugs for that gal from now on! You can also consider giving her exercise letting her run around, give her good stimulus to urge her into action. Certainly having to chase some crickets around will help.
Poor thing, looks painfully fat. No feeding for a while I would say. Nothing but bugs for that gal from now on! You can also consider giving her exercise letting her run around, give her good stimulus to urge her into action. Certainly having to chase some crickets around will help.
I agree, she needs exercise, and chasing bugs is a great way to work it off. She doesn't look very old to be in such bad condition!
I've read that caresheet before, it's excellent. It does recommend an enclosure that is 8' x 4' x 4' with substrate being about 2' deep and it give a ratio of soil and sand to mix together for a good burrowing substrate. Lots of UVB to cover the area and a basking temps of 130-140 degrees
Before you do anything I would take her to the vet and have a fecal and bloodwork done to rule out anything serious.
She may be bloated for other reasons other than obesity, even though she looks obese.
here is the diet section, I would stay away from rodents myself.
The Savannah Monitor, Varanus exanthematicus – Feeding – Diet (http://savannahmonitor.org/feeding/diet/)
Freebody
02-15-11, 08:31 PM
find yourself a dubia roach colony, they are easy to breed they breed fast and are super good food, your sav need a high insect diet, 75% is what they are found to eat in the wild, while inspecting their stomach contents of wild specimen. yes she is over weight, and looks dry, give her some water to soak in, mine sleeps in his water all the time, and before anyone asks, my humidity is good, he just loves the water, i hear some dont but mine really likes it. i put one water spot in the cold side and one right under the heat light. i also give him a hot spot of 100d and the bricks are hollow so the inside is around 85, cant remember off the top of my head, its been awhile since i checked it with a temp gun. a few hide spots, mine has like 5, including a 2 foot tunnel,play sand and potting soil mixed at 50/50 is what i use, i got about 3-4 inches which is low, but sufficient for a small girl like that. i keep my ambient temps at 85% i use a reostat so it a little off day to day as i just turn it to a marked location on my dial, and i moist the soil down every other day to keep the humidity around 60+, usually sits around 70% if i catch it under 60 it time to soak the cage again. GL keep us posted, they are Great pets, mine im training to not try to eat me all the time, just figures everything is ffod and tries to always take a bite of everything. lol funny now but not so much later so im trying hard to spend lots of time in short spurts with him. :)
Thanks for the suggestions so far. I had soaked her last night for about 25 mins. She tryed swimming in the tub. Most action ive seen so far. Hopefully each day gets better
serpentshideawa
02-15-11, 10:35 PM
Good luck man im sure shell get healthy again for you and grats for getting it out of the prior situation
NennaMeerkat
02-15-11, 10:43 PM
Thanks for the suggestions so far. I had soaked her last night for about 25 mins. She tryed swimming in the tub. Most action ive seen so far. Hopefully each day gets better
Yay for exercise! Did she enjoy swimming or the bath in general?
Aaron_S
02-16-11, 07:23 AM
Just note that if she's "docile" now it doesn't mean when she's healthier that she will maintain that.
find yourself a dubia roach colony, they are easy to breed they breed fast and are super good food, your sav need a high insect diet, 75% is what they are found to eat in the wild, while inspecting their stomach contents of wild specimen. yes she is over weight, and looks dry, give her some water to soak in, mine sleeps in his water all the time, and before anyone asks, my humidity is good, he just loves the water, i hear some dont but mine really likes it. i put one water spot in the cold side and one right under the heat light. i also give him a hot spot of 100d and the bricks are hollow so the inside is around 85, cant remember off the top of my head, its been awhile since i checked it with a temp gun. a few hide spots, mine has like 5, including a 2 foot tunnel,play sand and potting soil mixed at 50/50 is what i use, i got about 3-4 inches which is low, but sufficient for a small girl like that. i keep my ambient temps at 85% i use a reostat so it a little off day to day as i just turn it to a marked location on my dial, and i moist the soil down every other day to keep the humidity around 60+, usually sits around 70% if i catch it under 60 it time to soak the cage again. GL keep us posted, they are Great pets, mine im training to not try to eat me all the time, just figures everything is ffod and tries to always take a bite of everything. lol funny now but not so much later so im trying hard to spend lots of time in short spurts with him. :)
You coud also go with a mor eficiant diet my fathe uses this one and we have 5 very healthy monitors
get a small cow heart 2 whole chikens a couple hundred supper worms some crickets 2 tbs of d3 and calcium brend it all bones and all then poor it into some ice cube trays
so on mondays Feed him 2 cubes wednesday raw chicken friday eggs
every other friday 4 or 5 rat pinkies
So today she was actually standing. Didn't look as fat but she definitely is. She walked around for like 5 minutes trying to get in the cat litter box. Then that was it for her. Nap time. Still not eating. Last feeding was Saturday apparently. We'll keep at her though.
Soaked her again for 30 mins. Should I keep soaking her everyday to get rid of her shed shes still on? Cause this crappy habitat obviously wont keep any humidity.
NennaMeerkat
02-16-11, 02:01 PM
So today she was actually standing. Didn't look as fat but she definitely is. She walked around for like 5 minutes trying to get in the cat litter box. Then that was it for her. Nap time. Still not eating. Last feeding was Saturday apparently. We'll keep at her though.
Soaked her again for 30 mins. Should I keep soaking her everyday to get rid of her shed shes still on? Cause this crappy habitat obviously wont keep any humidity.
I would soak her if you can't get the humidity right. It might also encourage her to move around, ya know to swim. And if she isn't eating its probably because she is still getting used to her new home. But that isn't a bad thing so she can shed some of those extra pounds.
whoaxmary
02-16-11, 02:28 PM
She is deffinetly over weight..Everyone has given very good advice, but I'd just like to note beyond that and bring more attention to a post that looks like it was glanced over a bit.
I'm not a vet, but I'm a vets assistant and I agree with mld andSTRONGLY recommend you bring her in to a qualified vet. Being that overweight and unactive, being kept is such poor conditions, andeing fed things like dog food can cause serious damage to her. She's very lucky you've rescued her. Good luck~ Keep us posted you sure.
thats so sad a sav who wont eat
bighog85
02-18-11, 06:36 PM
You coud also go with a mor eficiant diet my fathe uses this one and we have 5 very healthy monitors
get a small cow heart 2 whole chikens a couple hundred supper worms some crickets 2 tbs of d3 and calcium brend it all bones and all then poor it into some ice cube trays
so on mondays Feed him 2 cubes wednesday raw chicken friday eggs
every other friday 4 or 5 rat pinkies
That is an OK treat for a lot of other species of monitor, but not for a sav. 80-90% of the diet should be insects and nothing else. Eggs, rodents, chicken, all that stuff should be a treat for once a month or so. Just because your monitors appear healthy does not mean that good things are happening on the inside. INSECTS, INSECTS, INSECTS!!!!! Don't get lazy on that because your animals will suffer.
That is an OK treat for a lot of other species of monitor, but not for a sav. 80-90% of the diet should be insects and nothing else. Eggs, rodents, chicken, all that stuff should be a treat for once a month or so. Just because your monitors appear healthy does not mean that good things are happening on the inside. INSECTS, INSECTS, INSECTS!!!!! Don't get lazy on that because your animals will suffer.
Im sorry, "lAZY" lol i have thousands of mealworms/ crickes in my heated garage for my dozens of leos and beardies
what research have you done on Savannah monitors (not from what you have read)
im not trying to be hostile but my savs and my fathers do get insects occasionally but its mosly a well established diet of meat as they are carnivores but its better to feed 3 or 4 rat pinkies rather then a rat hopper as the fur is hard to digest
That is an OK treat for a lot of other species of monitor, but not for a sav. 80-90% of the diet should be insects and nothing else. Eggs, rodents, chicken, all that stuff should be a treat for once a month or so. Just because your monitors appear healthy does not mean that good things are happening on the inside. INSECTS, INSECTS, INSECTS!!!!! Don't get lazy on that because your animals will suffer.
Totally agree with bighog on this subject. Insects, whole fish. Feeding rodents regularly will lead to a lazy fat Savannah Monitor who won't live a long life.
This is a great caresheet to go by, here is the section on diet.
The Savannah Monitor, Varanus exanthematicus – Feeding – Diet (http://savannahmonitor.org/feeding/diet/)
Totally agree with bighog on this subject. Insects, whole fish. Feeding rodents regularly will lead to a lazy fat Savannah Monitor who won't live a long life.
This is a great caresheet to go by, here is the section on diet.
The Savannah Monitor, Varanus exanthematicus – Feeding – Diet (http://savannahmonitor.org/feeding/diet/)
....did you even read that site it contradicts your post lol?
Molie my dads 9.5 yr old sav was only fed cricks the first 5 months then switched over to my Uncles diet he feeds his savs
please dont argue im not telling the op what to do (or you) i just offered my knowledge i dont need to prove anythingit just bugs me when people go by care sheats on line i could find 10 different caresheets on savs all saying something different (not all wrong or right) JUST A BASIC GUIDELINE! you should always speak in person with an expert
....did you even read that site it contradicts your post lol?
Molie my dads 9.5 yr old sav was only fed cricks the first 5 months then switched over to my Uncles diet he feeds his savs
please dont argue im not telling the op what to do (or you) i just offered my knowledge i dont need to prove anythingit just bugs me when people go by care sheats on line i could find 10 different caresheets on savs all saying something different (not all wrong or right) JUST A BASIC GUIDELINE! you should always speak in person with an expert
So what is your uncles recipe?
recipe? Diet why share so you can break it down and tell me how wrong it is im sorry i dont need your objective opinion
recipe? Diet why share so you can break it down and tell me how wrong it is im sorry i dont need your objective opinion
Not at all, its a very controversial subject, and there are some many different opinions of what they should eat and not eat. Variety is best, that's what I believe, whole prey is good. But I don't agree that some of the diets that people offer savs is the best in the long run. Like the SDZ diet, I think is just done because of cost, time, amount needed.
I don't understand why you are saying I am contradicting my post.
yes sorry for coming off rude.
im just trying to have a conversation (hard to show emotion on net)
yea the sdz not so good or that monitor meatloaf ...they grind it all and freeze lol and serve heres my uncles that what he uses and he has savs that are 10 yrs plus
see for me its different because i run a small feeder insect business to help pay for school so i have the insects on hand all the time every size o well to each his own
1 MONTH
Monday – Chunked whole chicken and turkey (small bones, feathers guts all the good stuff)
Wednesday – Chiken heart and Beef Heart w/ d3
Friday – whole egg boiled lightly crushed w/ calcium
Saturday – 4 pinkies
2ND MONTH
Monday 50 Mealworms with Chicken gizzards
Wednesday - 5 – 6 rat pinkies w/ calcium
Thursday - 5 – 6 worms w/ d3
Saturday 2 mice
Repeat
The odd snail for a treat
oh and my dad and his bro fed them crickets for a few months after they were born and i am no expert i hope im not trying to sound like one i have lots to learn
oh and my dad and his bro fed them crickets for a few months after they were born and i am no expert i hope im not trying to sound like one i have lots to learn
To me your uncles diet is fine, better than a lot of people who own Savs, I agree that the SDZ diet and this so called meatloaf is just so wrong. I've heard so real bad stories of what people will fed them, they buy them for its large size and then don't care for them properly, not giving them proper living conditions and wonder why they only lived 7 years. I just think that invertebrates are very important to their diet.
Monitors are not for everybody, I would never own one, too big for me! I also think that pet stores shouldn't be able to sell them, they don't care who buys them, or how they are going to care for them. They just want the money! Parents buy them for their kids because they don't seem to large at the pet store, then when they realize how big they get they freak. That's why people should always do their research prior to purchasing these gorgeous creatures.
i cant get over it when i see them in pet stores i think they should have cares sheets and general info size diet housing temps posted on or below .im sure a lot less pet stores would sell them when they will need a cage over 6 feet i have argued and argued with people who work at petsmart who think they no i asked a general question just to see if they know what they were talking about the reptile guy told me a full grown sav wouldnt get much larger than a mens shoe lol
infernalis
02-18-11, 10:12 PM
It infuriates me when I see baby savs at hole in the wall shops...
Sapphyr
02-18-11, 11:39 PM
i cant get over it when i see them in pet stores i think they should have cares sheets and general info size diet housing temps posted on or below .im sure a lot less pet stores would sell them when they will need a cage over 6 feet i have argued and argued with people who work at petsmart who think they no i asked a general question just to see if they know what they were talking about the reptile guy told me a full grown sav wouldnt get much larger than a mens shoe lol
LOL.. I think that's hilarious.. A man's shoe... It's hilariously sad. He should be known as the idiotic reptile guy instead.
TeaNinja
02-19-11, 05:09 AM
yea, most of the people who work at chain petstores are purely BS salesman who will tell you anything they think might snag a sale. it's especially sad when they give their little "spiel" to someone who actually knows better then they do. i go to petco to buy my mice and crickets and such and they are pretty good for the most part, but there are a few employees that i don't like and i've had a few instances of seeing obvious lack of animal knowledge by employees.
when i bought my ball python there, of course they have abunch of poor bp's jammed in a little cage with 1 log hide turned towards the glass so everyone can see in. i'm sure they are highly stressed, mine sure was when i brought him home. took me a week or two of brief, steady handling for him to stop stressing. it took the terrible manager i don't like around a half hour to get the code to open the cage then i stepped up on the stool to look in and grab the bp's and the manager looked at me like i was crazy and said, "you're just gonna reach in and grab those things?? you sure you don't want the glove? i would NEVER do that!!!"
and he walked up with some HUGE rediculous looking glove lol.
i held all the bp's and checked 'em out and took like 5-10 minutes deciding between 2 and finally picked the one.
i just think it's sad that most people who work at chain petstores are just there because it's a job, and not because they care about animals at all. and to an extent, it's not their fault. i can't blame them just for working there and being ignorant, i just think it's sad that they work at a store that sells pets and pet supplies and don't even bother to learn about the animals they sell or about their ideal environments.
imo, if i was the head hauncho who ran one of those shops, i would make it NECESARY for my employees to know about the animals being sold, ESPECIALLY for the simple fact that they can give people CORRECT INFORMATION about the pets they are buying (which they RARELY give, because they have no idea what they're doing lol)
i bet if i asked that manager what the living requirements were for the ball python he would have picked up the bs care sheet petco has and read it to me lol.
ohhh noooo, the killer ball pythons are going to get me!!! GET THE GLOOOOOVE!
bighog85
02-19-11, 10:07 AM
Im sorry, "lAZY" lol i have thousands of mealworms/ crickes in my heated garage for my dozens of leos and beardies
what research have you done on Savannah monitors (not from what you have read)
im not trying to be hostile but my savs and my fathers do get insects occasionally but its mosly a well established diet of meat as they are carnivores but its better to feed 3 or 4 rat pinkies rather then a rat hopper as the fur is hard to digest
Yours is the research that is lacking if you think that savs eat an icecube shaped chunk of "meat" as they roam around Africa. Your uncles diet would have been accepted ten years ago but our research and understanding of savs has changed. Studies have been done on the stomach contents of wild savs and only in rare instances have they found vertebrate prey. Like I said before, just because your animals appear healthy does not mean that fat is not accumulating around the major organs and is slowly shutting them down. The fur on a hopper is hard for them to digest because they are not designed to digest it, though feeding little chunks of fat(which is what a rat pink is)is not much better. If you have so many insects, why not feed the animal what they are designed to eat? Get a roach colony or something but I am telling you from experience that what you are doing will significantly shorten the animals life. In all reality, your diet is not much different from the SDZ diet because it lacks the nutrients that savs specifically need to survive. Whole food only, in the right quantities, and in the right form. Savannah monitors really are not carnivorous so much as they are insectivorous. There is a huge difference in what they eat in comparison to say a salvator or other truly carnivorous lizard and ignoring those differences will make the animal suffer.
thanks for your opinion, but im sorry this is the way our savs are fed Do you have any links to this research? Have you done any personal studies, did you go to school for this, or is this just what you have red on the net and my sav was not or ever will be in roaming around Africa
bighog85
02-19-11, 11:14 AM
thanks for your opinion, but im sorry this is the way our savs are fed Do you have any links to this research? Have you done any personal studies, did you go to school for this, or is this just what you have red on the net and my sav was not or ever will be in roaming around Africa
I don't know where to find the case studies that I read online. A lot of the stuff out there from Sprackland and other monitor experts has expired in a sense because like I said, our understandings have changed regarding their diet. Daniel Bennett is considered to be the authority on the new era of savannah monitor husbandry. He is one of the people that has gone out and studied savs in the wild. I learn from other peoples mistakes and when you run a reptile rescue, you see a lot of mistakes made. Earlier last year, I took in a sav that had been fed a diet similar to yours and even though she got immediate veterinary care and a proper diet, the damage was done. I read books and that combined with 20 years of experience with hundreds of species of reptiles allows me to learn a lot more than a kid like yourself taking the word of your uncle. I don't like a lot of the "caresheets" out there on the web, but there is one site that has got it down. Savannahmonitor.org is an excellent resource and from what I have seen is the only place that actually recommends a proper diet. I know it is hard to go against what family members say, but you really need to keep an open mind when it comes to the care of your animals. Just because your animal has never been in Africa does not mean that its morphology is different from those that have. I hope that you realize this. Don't let your pride get in the way, it is OK to be wrong about something and it shows more maturity to admit that and change then to stick with your ways and make your animals suffer.
Sapphyr
02-19-11, 01:35 PM
yea, most of the people who work at chain petstores are purely BS salesman who will tell you anything they think might snag a sale. it's especially sad when they give their little "spiel" to someone who actually knows better then they do. i go to petco to buy my mice and crickets and such and they are pretty good for the most part, but there are a few employees that i don't like and i've had a few instances of seeing obvious lack of animal knowledge by employees.
when i bought my ball python there, of course they have abunch of poor bp's jammed in a little cage with 1 log hide turned towards the glass so everyone can see in. i'm sure they are highly stressed, mine sure was when i brought him home. took me a week or two of brief, steady handling for him to stop stressing. it took the terrible manager i don't like around a half hour to get the code to open the cage then i stepped up on the stool to look in and grab the bp's and the manager looked at me like i was crazy and said, "you're just gonna reach in and grab those things?? you sure you don't want the glove? i would NEVER do that!!!"
and he walked up with some HUGE rediculous looking glove lol.
i held all the bp's and checked 'em out and took like 5-10 minutes deciding between 2 and finally picked the one.
i just think it's sad that most people who work at chain petstores are just there because it's a job, and not because they care about animals at all. and to an extent, it's not their fault. i can't blame them just for working there and being ignorant, i just think it's sad that they work at a store that sells pets and pet supplies and don't even bother to learn about the animals they sell or about their ideal environments.
imo, if i was the head hauncho who ran one of those shops, i would make it NECESARY for my employees to know about the animals being sold, ESPECIALLY for the simple fact that they can give people CORRECT INFORMATION about the pets they are buying (which they RARELY give, because they have no idea what they're doing lol)
i bet if i asked that manager what the living requirements were for the ball python he would have picked up the bs care sheet petco has and read it to me lol.
ohhh noooo, the killer ball pythons are going to get me!!! GET THE GLOOOOOVE!
LOL The glove..~
Anywho, yea.. I'm trying to get a job at Petsmart, Petco, or some other form of pet store, but I want to work there because I love animals and I'd love nothing more than to care for all sorts of different animals. When I move to Cincinnati, I'd like to work at the zoo some day. I'd love it <3 It really infuriates me when, for example, someone's interested in an iguana and the employee makes up something like,"Oh, it won't get bigger than 4 ft, it'll do fine in a 20g or 30g." I just hate it when people aren't informed properly and the animal is the one that has to pay the price for peoples' idiocy and carelessness.
TeaNinja
02-19-11, 04:22 PM
LOL The glove..~
Anywho, yea.. I'm trying to get a job at Petsmart, Petco, or some other form of pet store, but I want to work there because I love animals and I'd love nothing more than to care for all sorts of different animals. When I move to Cincinnati, I'd like to work at the zoo some day. I'd love it <3 It really infuriates me when, for example, someone's interested in an iguana and the employee makes up something like,"Oh, it won't get bigger than 4 ft, it'll do fine in a 20g or 30g." I just hate it when people aren't informed properly and the animal is the one that has to pay the price for peoples' idiocy and carelessness.
yea, especially because if they told everyone that the iguana becomes a monster, i bet they would make less sales to dumb kids and their unknowing parents who will later have to make a giant viv or get rid of their pet lol.
Damion930
02-19-11, 05:28 PM
It is pretty evident with nothing more than a quick google search that bighog is right savs eat mainly insects in the wild and only on rare occasion eat birds and rodents and a fatty diet will most often cause fat to build up around the organs especially the liver leading to illness and death nothing to get upset about
lol read deeper kid google search the most popular not the most accurate as savs are not that popular ..neveer the less both methods work im sure no one on here has dissected or done personal studies on a sav so idk lol i apologize to the op good luck with your sav weather you feed him meat properly, insects GOOD luck to you
you will have loads of fun w/ him do you no how old he is
So today she was actually standing. Didn't look as fat but she definitely is. She walked around for like 5 minutes trying to get in the cat litter box. Then that was it for her. Nap time. Still not eating. Last feeding was Saturday apparently. We'll keep at her though.
Soaked her again for 30 mins. Should I keep soaking her everyday to get rid of her shed shes still on? Cause this crappy habitat obviously wont keep any humidity.
So back to this girl, How is she doing now. I totally agree that the enclosure is substandard and needs to be a lot better. She probably has a few sheds on her making it harder to get off. Is she eating and drinking all right?
Sending well wishes you way and hopefully she get healthy soon. Take care and keep us posted!
Sapphyr
02-19-11, 07:32 PM
yea, especially because if they told everyone that the iguana becomes a monster, i bet they would make less sales to dumb kids and their unknowing parents who will later have to make a giant viv or get rid of their pet lol.
Yeah. I was in Florida a long time ago and they had green iguanas for $25. Ofcourse I was like WANT. That girl tried to tell me they wouldn't get too big and they make great pets. I looked at her and was like,"Oh, so I guess you didn't know the DO get big, they need a BIG, vertical cage, and as an adult their bites can cause scarring and their tails hit like a truck... with a whip?" I named her Lilith <3 ... but I think she ate a bark chip and it got impacted. She was so little, too.. thought she couldn't even fit them in her mouth, but I guess I was wrong. :l One day I may pick back up on an iguana.. and use something other than bark LOL
bighog85
02-20-11, 10:51 AM
ok bud your right lol
lol read deeper kid google search the most popular not the most accurate as savs are not that popular
You had better start showing a bit more respect for people on this forum if you want to make any friends or have any credibility. Nothing we have said to you is disrespectful, we are only trying to help. If you don't want to take our advice then fine, but don't be an a$# about it. Refer to people by their screen names or their real names if you know them.
I read books and that combined with 20 years of experience with hundreds of species of reptiles allows me to learn a lot more than a kid like yourself taking the word of your uncle.
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That is disrespectful
yes i do take the word of my uncle, because he has over 20 experience keeping and breeding Savannah monitors unlike a "kid" like yourself you will never breed one nor will i . so when he speaks i listen. I dont understand what could be so wrong with what my uncle does he has bred and kept hundreds on that diet and they all lasted 10plus years so just stop
infernalis
02-20-11, 12:49 PM
I knew this was going to spark some controversy, it was inevitable.
You are all free to express yourselves, as long as it's kept respectful.
I'm an old man, and I still have never addressed anyone on here as "kid"
Freebody
02-20-11, 12:56 PM
i wish i was a kid again, no responsibilities... those were the days :) << just lightening the mood a little :P
bighog85
02-20-11, 01:55 PM
I read books and that combined with 20 years of experience with hundreds of species of reptiles allows me to learn a lot more than a kid like yourself taking the word of your uncle.
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That is disrespectful
yes i do take the word of my uncle, because he has over 20 experience keeping and breeding Savannah monitors unlike a "kid" like yourself you will never breed one nor will i . so when he speaks i listen. I dont understand what could be so wrong with what my uncle does he has bred and kept hundreds on that diet and they all lasted 10plus years so just stop
You know what, I am done with you. I don't even know why I am arguing because nobody here is listening to you. We all know what a correct diet is for a sav so I don't need to argue this with you. Who is your uncle by the way and if he is such a prominent breeder, why are there never any cb savs for sale anywhere? Oh, and by the way, ten years is not very long for a monitor to live. Show me 20 years and then you can brag.
Sapphyr
02-20-11, 07:02 PM
I'm reading it all.. I'm listening... and I'm not getting into it, but my only remark is...
Guys.. Really?.. Can we just get along? Everyone has a right to their opinion. Jay has a right to think he's correct. Hog has a right to think he's(?) correct. Stop bickering. It's up to the OP to decide which diet they think is best to use for their monitor and that's that.
NennaMeerkat
02-20-11, 08:17 PM
I'm reading it all.. I'm listening... and I'm not getting into it, but my only remark is...
Guys.. Really?.. Can we just get along? Everyone has a right to their opinion. Jay has a right to think he's correct. Hog has a right to think he's(?) correct. Stop bickering. It's up to the OP to decide which diet they think is best to use for their monitor and that's that.
Gotta agree with ya there Sapphyr. The two of them can argue all day but in the end the OP is the one that is gonna decide who to go with.
infernalis
02-20-11, 08:58 PM
Gotta agree with ya there Sapphyr. The two of them can argue all day but in the end the OP is the one that is gonna decide who to go with.
It's not about "who to go with" it's about making sure that the information we are giving out is in the animals best interest or not.
Since this discussion is spinning it's wheels in the mud, I'm shutting it down.
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