not mine, snowflake jugle jag!

[Freebody]

here a snake i was given a good price if i want it off the guy i got my nile monitor from. Stunning snake!! 50% ivory carpet,50% jungle jag. creative exotics for you canadians interested. I dont think im going to buy one, but i want to lol

[wrr276]

Wow absolutly stunning!!

[Jay]

do they ship to ontario

[DeesBalls]

do they ship to Ohio, USA? lol those are stunning!!!!

[Ch^4]

Gorgeous snakes! I wish I had the capacity to add one to my collection.....maybe next year :(

[DeesBalls]

Oops, I meant ship.... sorry, that was my phone.... lol

[percey39]

Very sexy indeed!!!!

[shaunyboy]

nice clean looking jags

theres some great morelia being produced in canada at the minute


thanks for sharing mate

cheers shaun

[marvelfreak]

Freebody are you ok? Those are beautiful snakes and your the king of impluse buying. Quick have someone drive you to the hospital so you can get checked out. Then when your feeling better go back and buy one of this beauties.








LOL Just messing with you buddy. :)

[Marica]

Those are absolutely stunning!

[presspirate]

Freebody are you ok? Those are beautiful snakes and your the king of impluse buying. Quick have someone drive you to the hospital so you can get checked out. Then when your feeling better go back and buy one of this beauties. LOL Just messing with you buddy. :)

:yes: Lol I was thinking the same thing. Those snakes are HOT! And, Freebody, you have a job now....so whats a matter buddy? I think we should do an intervention or something....:no:

[Freebody]

LOL you guy are great LOL ya im still thinking about it, i think the next snakes i get are going to be a pair of GTP's. and im planning on breeding my bredle and my coastal jag in jan and keeping a bredle jag so... i would like to buy a full ivory jungle, heres the father. ya gtps are my next snakes LOL

[shaunyboy]

as always you got me laughing chuck:yes:

freebody,bredl jags are very nice mate

rolph milkelson from europe has done a lot of work with them

iif you do buy the chondro's you could always have a go at producing capondro's

ive seen some very very nice capondro's or even jagpondro's

theres a guy called yasser in the states thats produced some cracking stuff

cheers shaun

[Freebody]

thats the plan :) i want to make gtps and use the male preferably to try to cross with my granite or my diamond, i was talking to the breeder i buy most of my snakes from, he was saying its next to impossible to get them to pair. he said the carpondro he was showing me was the result of like 10 females and like 15 different males they tried to pair over the years, and finnaly one finally worked but they didnt even get to have them pair the following year. It was a male gtp to a female jungle capret, It sounds like a shot in the dark, but that dont mean im not going to try :)

[shaunyboy]

thats the plan :) i want to make gtps and use the male preferably to try to cross with my granite or my diamond, i was talking to the breeder i buy most of my snakes from, he was saying its next to impossible to get them to pair. he said the carpondro he was showing me was the result of like 10 females and like 15 different males they tried to pair over the years, and finnaly one finally worked but they didnt even get to have them pair the following year. It was a male gtp to a female jungle capret, It sounds like a shot in the dark, but that dont mean im not going to try :)


dont quote me on this but

i think the easiest way to produce capondro's is with a female chondro and a male carpet

male carpets would do it with a draft excluder if you let them,haha.

(one of them things you used to fit to the bottom of a door in your house to keep drafts from blowing under the doors)

granite or diamond capondro's would be something else mate

your male diamond could be fertile as young as 3 years of age it will most likely take your female to the age of 5 or 6 years before shes up to size and fertile.

i personally would never ever ever put anything but a male diamond to a pure female diamond.(even thinking about pouluting a female diamond like that sends shivers up my spine,haha)

one things for sure mate with your collection you have just about endless options to produce some stunning snakes

cheers shaun

[Freebody]

you think the same as me bro, i would never want mate my female diamond to anything but my male diamond, I love diamonds!! but if it was the only way to breed it to a gtp, i would do it maybe once or twice depending. I was told they tried every combination and the male gtp was the only one to breed with the other, so i plan to breed my male granite first try, thats if i can ever find a gtp, i have been looking for years and never really found anything worth while price wise.

[percey39]

You would produce a couple of stunning snakes in that pairing, but what will you do with all the unnattractive ones? Im not having a go at you so please dont take it that way just interested thats all.

[Freebody]

hmm i didnt think their would be unatractive ones to be honest, i like every single pic i have seen of carpondros, maybe keep them lol :P but like you said it is somthing to consider, im sure people take pics and post their most impressive ones, i could always sell them cheeper if no one was buying them, like sell them to another breeder thats more interesed in the bloodline, than how the actual snake looks. and i would never get angry about a statment made to me here, were all freinds here right :)

[shaunyboy]

You would produce a couple of stunning snakes in that pairing, but what will you do with all the unnattractive ones? Im not having a go at you so please dont take it that way just interested thats all.


i am most likely going to get flamed to death for what im about to write mate but here goes...

this is one of the reasons i want a black headed python

id feed them to the black head,it is a cannabalistic snake and does this in the wild

" plugs ears and waits for the flame attack.... "

id rather be honest with you all than lie about it

i am sorry if my views offend anyone

cheers shaun

[Lankyrob]

There are a male/female pair of gtp's in our local rep shop for £900, not sure he would ship to canada tho Freebody!!

And Shaun, no offense here, i know you would never do anything detrimental to any snakes.

[Freebody]

A guy on a local forum said he was planning on breeding some sorong gtp and would have some in the spring, im hoping he does. :) and shaun i guess you cant get king snakes out their can you? they are canibals as well. look at the mexican black kingsnakes, fully black and beautifull :)

[percey39]

I could not flame anyone for saying that Shaun. At least your honest and actually using them instead of just killing and destroying them. This i where i have raised my points before as out of every clutch there will be say 3-4 stunners that will be kept for breeding or sold, the rest would not catch most peoples eyes and would either be given away strictly as a pet or culled. Now with jag's its the same but what do they do with ones showing nuero issues straight from the egg? If they look good they would either keep and breed or sell on when they age and it only shows under stress. This is polluting some people's future breeding lines and passing down the gene.

I myself would never breed hybrids for this reason i would hate culling snakes that are not the best looking or have deformities. As you cant trust most people in this hobby and if given away as a pet and never to breed do you think that would ever happen?

[Freebody]

ya it would be real hard for me to kill the deformed ones, i didnt think of that. i guess like shawn said feeding them to another snake or my monitor would be the best way, i would do as wayne does, put them in a fridge then into a freezer first, so it does not have no suffer at all, and at the same time its not a huge waste and just tossed away as garbage, which i think is trully a traggity.

[shaunyboy]

I could not flame anyone for saying that Shaun. At least your honest and actually using them instead of just killing and destroying them. This i where i have raised my points before as out of every clutch there will be say 3-4 stunners that will be kept for breeding or sold, the rest would not catch most peoples eyes and would either be given away strictly as a pet or culled. Now with jag's its the same but what do they do with ones showing nuero issues straight from the egg? If they look good they would either keep and breed or sell on when they age and it only shows under stress. This is polluting some people's future breeding lines and passing down the gene.

I myself would never breed hybrids for this reason i would hate culling snakes that are not the best looking or have deformities. As you cant trust most people in this hobby and if given away as a pet and never to breed do you think that would ever happen?


this has been brought up a few times on uk forums mate

my way of thinking is our gene pool is very limited re morelia

so need to keep it clean and strong for the sake of every future hatchling that would be produced

its for this reason i would dispose of any deformed snakes and as bad as it sounds siblings (from jag or zebra etc clutches)

you cannot trust someone to keep a carpet 20 to 30 years and not give it away with the chance of it being bred by the new owner or who you gave it to breeding it themselves

basically after the snake leaves me i no longer have control of it

its also very impractical to try and keep them all yourself

re suffering

theres a debate going on just now on the same uk forum as to what causes more suffering

gassing the hatchling

or

feeding live to a black head

i dont agree with the above 2 methods


my way would be

i personally would crush the brain with a blunt object in one swift movement

the snake is dead due to full cranial crushing BEFORE ITS BRAIN CAN REGISTER ANY PAIN

I WOULD CHOOSE THIS METHOD EVEN OVER A VET EUTHINISING A SNAKE

i feel the lethal injection they favour causes a lot more stress to the snake in question

it has to go through the finding of a vien (this is not always acheived first time ) then they start to feel the effects of said injection

as said even if this procedure is successfull first time tried it will still take a good few seconds,in which time the snake gets stressed out.

even if the vet uses gas to knock out the snake before the injection this alone causes uneccessary stress for the snake

the method i advocate takes hundreds if not thousands of a second

AND NO PAIN CAN BE REGISTERED IN THAT TIME FRAME

again i apologise if these views offend anyone but i truely believe its the quickest most humain way possible to euthinise a snake

after this quick death i would not waste the carcuss as i would be feeding it to a black headed python

i really do not want to turn this thread into a moral debate

a debate on the quickest most stressless painless method i would take part in though if anyone feels it neccessary

cheers shaun

[percey39]

I agree 100% with everything said mate. Blunt force is the only way to be quick and painless.

[shaunyboy]

I agree 100% with everything said mate. Blunt force is the only way to be quick and painless.


as cold as it sounds mate i too really believe it is the best way

i also believe eggs except in the case of some morphs who are not born with an egg tooth SHOULD NOT BE PIPPED (cut open by us)

i do not believe in letting weak snakes contaminate and weaken exsisting already limited bloodlines

i believe allowing a weak snake to hatch this way only puts weak snakes back into the gene pool causing more deformed or weak hatchlings to be produced in the future

then said hatchlings becoming adults with the possibility of producing even more weak and deformed hatchlings

i feel that it would become a vicious circle LEADING TO MORE DEATHS IN THE LONG TERM

cheers shaun

[percey39]

This is where nature would of taken its course and these snake would not have survived. I too believe by doing all these thing things we are creating weaker snakes and especially their immune systems. As people clean weekly ( by clean i dont mean spot clean i mean fully disinfect cages ) people also treat every object with bleach that goes in the tank. This never introduces snakes to any form of bacteria which leads to weak immune systes and when something does go wrong it goes terribly wrong.
Im not saying to leave your snake in its own filth but dont treat it it like the boy in the bubble.

[Will0W783]

Do it, Do it, DO IT!!!! Freebody, you have to!

[marvelfreak]

I agree totally. Blunt force is by far the quickest and most painless way to do it with snakes.

[shaunyboy]

A guy on a local forum said he was planning on breeding some sorong gtp and would have some in the spring, im hoping he does. :) and shaun i guess you cant get king snakes out their can you? they are canibals as well. look at the mexican black kingsnakes, fully black and beautifull :)


we can get kings over here mate.a desert kingsnake was my very first snake and it started my passion for this hobby

imo a black head is also just like a 8 to 10 foot version of a king with the girth of a coke can

cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

This is where nature would of taken its course and these snake would not have survived. I too believe by doing all these thing things we are creating weaker snakes and especially their immune systems. As people clean weekly ( by clean i dont mean spot clean i mean fully disinfect cages ) people also treat every object with bleach that goes in the tank. This never introduces snakes to any form of bacteria which leads to weak immune systes and when something does go wrong it goes terribly wrong.
Im not saying to leave your snake in its own filth but dont treat it it like the boy in the bubble.


thats another very valid point mate

i clean my tanks every 5 or 6 months

change water every 5 to 7 days for the same reason

cheers shaun

[Freebody]

they are sweet, i would like one because its just like my womas, but instead of orange heads, they have black heads. i think mark might breed them, or at least i seen him post pics of one he has.

[shaunyboy]

Do it, Do it, DO IT!!!! Freebody, you have to!


SAID THE MORELIA ADDICT :yes::yes::yes:

[Freebody]

lol i will Kim, dont you worry :) or at least i will try my best. :)

[percey39]

You have a very similar routine to me Shaun. I spot clean as soon as there is any mess, but dont sterilise till around 4-5 months.
Dont forget freebody woma's are small snakes where as bhp's can get to 2.5-3m mate and are very solid. Also bhp's can be a little more pissy but still mainly head butt and not bite, but they will put on a show and thrash and hiss wildly when they are not happy.

[Freebody]

i think the bhp's look better, the black head really contrasts the pattern. i read they can be rather pissy their whole life, and its rare they become tame from what i read. i will most likley never get one, but i really do like them.

[shaunyboy]

You have a very similar routine to me Shaun. I spot clean as soon as there is any mess, but dont sterilise till around 4-5 months.
Dont forget freebody woma's are small snakes where as bhp's can get to 2.5-3m mate and are very solid. Also bhp's can be a little more pissy but still mainly head butt and not bite, but they will put on a show and thrash and hiss wildly when they are not happy.


i spot clean by replacing any soiled newspaper as well mate

imo you cant beat a pissy bhp putting on a show

especialy one at the 8ft mark

awsome machines the bhp's

ive heard they go down burrows and use their body wieght and muscular strength to crush prey against the sides of the burrow

taking bites from the prey in their stride (im talking about wild ones in oz incase anyone misinterprets my post)

cheers shaun

[percey39]

My mates have some of the calmest bhp's i have ever seen just dont get in their way at feeding time lol. Look up the bumble bee bhp wow they are incredible!!

[Freebody]

i have never seen one in person, I hope i do some day, or better ge good price on one and take it home with me, i just love that shiny black head.

[shaunyboy]

My mates have some of the calmest bhp's i have ever seen just dont get in their way at feeding time lol. Look up the bumble bee bhp wow they are incredible!!


i will look that up as id never heard of a bumble bee bhp

theers axanthic bhp's in europe they are my favourites so far

cheers shaun

[percey39]

Yeah we have those here and they are pretty nice also i heard of albinos in the states i think it was but they really only had a pink head. I was not that big of a fan of them but would love a bumble bee when the prices drop a bit.

This is the only photo i have of on on my computer, its not my photo. I hope it comes out in a decent size. Sorry for the quality but its the only one i have/can find.

[shaunyboy]

Yeah we have those here and they are pretty nice also i heard of albinos in the states i think it was but they really only had a pink head. I was not that big of a fan of them but would love a bumble bee when the prices drop a bit.

This is the only photo i have of on on my computer, its not my photo.


i dont like the sound of a pink headed black head mate

sounds horrible :shocked:

cheers shaun

[percey39]

Yeah it did not appeal to me either.

[shaunyboy]

your picture didnt show the first time i looked

i can see it now

its like a milder less intense version of the jungle zebra co dominant morph

it is 2:15am and im getting tired so i'll re evaluate when i get up

cheers shaun

p.s.ive enjoyed our chat mate but im off to bed

goodnight mate

[marvelfreak]

First three are bumble bee blackhead. Last one albino bhp. (Not my pics)
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I am not big on albinos, but i actually think they're kind of cool looking.

[Freebody]

very nice!! but the albino , hmm that one will need to grow on me for awhile lol i love the color of the snake, but the head looks ugly, if that head was black that would be my favorite right their.

[shaunyboy]

First three are bumble bee blackhead. Last one albino bhp. (Not my pics)
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I am not big on albinos, but i actually think they're kind of cool looking.


that bumble bee is amazing

re albino
i like the pattern but the pink head is horrible imo

cheers shaun

[presspirate]

I agree, the head looks like he had his skin peeled off.

[shaunyboy]

I agree, the head looks like he had his skin peeled off.


i thought it looked like its head was made of raw fish (that had been filleted)

cheers shaun

[Freebody]

ya it just does not look right. I would like to have seen the guys face when he first bread the albino blackhead.. oh sweet albinos!!...hey wait a minute, wtf is that... :P

[shaunyboy]

ya it just does not look right. I would like to have seen the guys face when he first bread the albino blackhead.. oh sweet albinos!!...hey wait a minute, wtf is that... :P


:yes::yes::yes:

[marvelfreak]

I agree, the head looks like he had his skin peeled off.
That's what makes it look cool.

[ineedsoap16]

Make me wish I lived in Canada. ouch that's hot!

[presspirate]

ya it just does not look right. I would like to have seen the guys face when he first bread the albino blackhead.. oh sweet albinos!!...hey wait a minute, wtf is that... :P

It's like the Freddy Krueger of snakes!:crazy:

[marvelfreak]

It's like the Freddy Krueger of snakes!:crazy:
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[presspirate]

OMG it does look like he. That must be why i think it look cool. Freddy was always my favorite horror movie villain. 10949

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