Solid black morelia

[percey39]

I seen this on another site and thought some of you guy's on here that are BIG morelia fans would love this.

This is not my photo and i lay no claims to it.

[infernalis]

beautiful snake!!!

[percey39]

Yeah its an old photo i seen when going through one of my old magazines from 2004 lol after seeing on the net. I dont think there has been any luck with breeding, but one can only hope. This would definetely be a python i would fork out some cash on.

[Freebody]

OH SWEET!!! i hope they turn into a morph, and come to canada LOL thx for the pic, that is beautifull!!

[Ch^4]

Absolutely gorgeous! I was curious about an all black morph, but never took the time to look into it. Thanks for the post!

[percey39]

Yeah i would love a hypomelanistic snake, would be better if the belly was completely black as well. I think i would be in love then!!!! Black on black mmm mmm that would absolutely rock my world.

[Freebody]

ya that would be sick, like the mexican black king but with a bigger body and a carpet head...Drool :P

[presspirate]

That snake is the ....bomb. Who wouldn't love to have that one? :bouncy:

[Will0W783]

I believe that is some kind of scrub python, from the body scale pattern and the head shape. I don't think it's a carpet. That is the melanistic (over expression of black) phase. Percey, not to nitpick, but "hypomelanistic" would be almost no black, as "hypo" means less or low. Hypermelanistic snakes have more than the normal amount of black, and all black specimens of snakes that are not normally all black are referred to as "melanistic". I wasn't aware of a melanistic scrub, but a quick Google search showed they are out there...mainly in Europe though.

[Freebody]

i think the head looks like a carpet head, its looks to me to be the same as my bredles head.

[percey39]

Haha Kim ya got me lol meant to type hyper. Cheers for clearing that up. Scrubs ARE carpets they are Morelia Kinghorni and have always been in the morelia family. This girl in the photo is a darwin python ( Morelia spilota variegata ). Also this snake is a Australian born and bred example. I dont think we have anything like that over here going on with scrubbies. Although there has been recent discussion of albino scrubs being on the market here soon.

[Feebo]

Interesting but I`ll have to break with the trend here and say I wouldn`t want to breed them. I love him just for being a Carpet python but he looks decidedly under dressed and I just couldn`t get used to it! :)

[red ink]

Im pretty sure that's J. Weigel's hyper bredli, I don't think he's been successful yet in breeding that one after years of trying.

[percey39]

Yep thats his but its a darwin python. Unfortunetely never had offspring.

[Will0W783]

Wow, that is awesome...never heard of hypermelanism with the carpets, only with scrubs. That is a gorgeous snake!

[shaunyboy]

Im pretty sure that's J. Weigel's hyper bredli, I don't think he's been successful yet in breeding that one after years of trying.


i think its a black phase white lipped python

you get southern and northern white lips,one is a gold phase and the other is a black phase

the southern is the black phase and seems to be the rarer of the two they are found in new guinea and surrounding islands

you can pick the more rare black phase up over here for 400 euros imported from europe.

a friend of mine just bought a female at the hamn show

cheers shaun

[percey39]

Shaun i can gaurantee that this is a hypermelanistic darwin. John Weigel has owned it for 6 years and unfortunately never been able to hatchlings. Im pretty sure it was wild caught by some catchers and then sold. I think from what others have said it sold for around $20,000 aussie.

[shaunyboy]

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq17/spilota01/diamond%20tank/albertisi-m-4-02.jpg

the picture above is a black phase white lipped python ( not my picture and i claim no credit for it )

i will take your word for it percy mate i have no reason to doubt you mate.

is there any other pictures of the darwin i can look at mate ?

at least the above picture will show folks a true black phase:yes:

cheers shaun

[percey39]

This is the only photo i have. Im trying to find out any info from their website, but there is no current updates. I will try and get some more shot of her but being that i dont know John personally i doubt they will be very easy to obtain.

I can see similarities between the white lipped and this darwin, but i have read the article about this girl. Very exciting project to have, but would seem as though we will never see offspring from her unless her is keeping his lips very tightly sealed ( which i would do )

Also a good way to disguish them is the head shape, as i believe white lips have a head shape similar to the olive python and water python ( all in the liasis family ) Where morelia have a more distict head shape.

[shaunyboy]

i saw a guy in the states with nearly all black pair of diamonds

the rossettes were so small in size and amount that he was putting them together to see if he could produce an all black diamond

as said mate i believe you 100% you know your snakes and have always been totally honest with me mate

pure darwins are hard to come by over here

plenty albino darwins and het albino's but no normal darwins

albino's are crazy money somewhere around the £20,000 mark if you can get them

30,000 ozzy dollars

cheers shaun

[percey39]

Never meant to come across as being defensive mate, sorry if i did.

I have seen almost black diamonds here as well, im sure in the next few years solid blacks wont be too uncommon. With albino darwins over here their price tags are dropping fairly rapidly and i seen a pair of juvies for $2000 which is far below their going rate a few years ago.
Im certain that if the hypermelanistic darwins do come out they will be well and truelly up there in price.

The next thing im waiting for is these albino scrubbies to come out over here. They are rumoured to have been bred but kept quite till they are established and many have been produced. I will spend some decent coin on a big nasty white snake lol.

Also with the albino darwins, i always thought that they would be the easiest and least time consuming way to produce the albino jags?

[shaunyboy]

it was'nt you mate

i thought id came across too agressive so tried to put it right

albino scrubby's sound cool mate

im still annoyed that i didnt get to see your red scrub after your mates collection was stolen.

morelia has really come on the last 5 years the first albino jags were produced in canada and freebody got some possible hets from the guy

not sure how he got them but id have to agree with you mate an albino darwin across a coastal jag would imo be the easiest way to go about it.

cheers shaun

[marvelfreak]

it was'nt you mate


morelia has really come on the last 5 years the first albino jags were produced in canada and freebody got some possible hets from the guy

not sure how he got them but id have to agree with you mate an albino darwin across a coastal jag would imo be the easiest way to go about it.

cheers shaun
I believe he got them from Henry Piorun.

[shaunyboy]

I believe he got them from Henry Piorun.






thats the guy chuck a canadian and the first ever to produce albino jags

i was on another site talking to a guy in the states who's trying to produce albino zebra jaguars mate

he has a zebra het albino and is crossing it with a jaguar

thats going to be something else if he pulls it off mate

theres a few zebra jungles in the uk now also granite irians.so i expect good things re morelia over the next 5 years here in the uk

cheers shaun

[percey39]

No drama's mate never took offense, just thought i may have been overly defensive.

I too was extremely disapointed when the red guy's were stolen. Most of our scrubbies start out red with little pattern but change very quickly. His guy's on the other hand stayed that way. I am excited by the prospect of the albinos and will start setting aside some money now.

I always thought as soon as jags were around someone would have thrown a albino darwin in the mix, but have not seen any with a darwin cross in them.
The albino zebra would be something else thats for sure. If the trend keeps going carpets will be the next ball python with amount morphs going around in the UK and USA.

[marvelfreak]

If the trend keeps going carpets will be the next ball python with amount morphs going around in the UK and USA.:D:D:D:D That would make the world a happy place.:yes:

[shaunyboy]

:D:D:D:D That would make the world a happy place.:yes:


^^^
this is why i voted chuck for president

cheers shaun

[percey39]

HAHAHA. I still find it a little odd though that im one of the main aussie posters and i only own scrubbies and NO other morelia lol. You guy's are more addicted than most keepers i know, but you will learn one day if you buy a morelia kinghorni scrub that all other carpets seem so quite and lazy in comparison. In saying that you guy's have some carpets that are absolutely stunning, yet we have nothing even close and they are our natives lol.
It all goes to show that we in Australia could not be any further behind you guy's over in Europe and the states.

[presspirate]

morelia kinghorni scrub

Wow, I just looked them up....Wow.:Wow:

[percey39]

Wow, I just looked them up....Wow.:Wow:

These guy's are by far my favourite. As you all know im a big fan and keep a few of these guy's, i wish i could keep more as they are so interesting to watch. Cleaning can be a chore lol and handling can be fun to say the least but all in all they are a joy to keep and a lot more active compared to your other monster snakes.

[shaunyboy]

HAHAHA. I still find it a little odd though that im one of the main aussie posters and i only own scrubbies and NO other morelia lol. You guy's are more addicted than most keepers i know, but you will learn one day if you buy a morelia kinghorni scrub that all other carpets seem so quite and lazy in comparison. In saying that you guy's have some carpets that are absolutely stunning, yet we have nothing even close and they are our natives lol.
It all goes to show that we in Australia could not be any further behind you guy's over in Europe and the states.


you are all catching up fast though mate

theres a line of hypo coastals over your way thats mighty impressive

hypo bredl as well

i used to be on the ozzy forum but got sick of all the hybrid/intergrade haters.they really done my head in,i could understand their arguement of pouluting wild stock but not from way over here,haha

im chasing a pair of pure darwins just now as they are pretty hard to get over here

im thinking of importing a red hypo jaguar from germany in the new year also a male diamond for my female

there are going to be a lot of good stuff going on re morelia in the next 5 years over here

a friend of mine is thinking of putting his male zebra with probaly the best diamond jungle jaguar i have ever seen

a world first of carmel diamond jungles were bred this year too.

theres a very good collection of morelia up to breeding size here in the uk this year mate so it looks like i better start saving the pennys for next year

cheers shaun

[percey39]

Those coastals and bredli are nice, but we are yet to really get into some more stunning morphs and lines. I completely understand the frustration of the aussie forum. I hardly even post there because there is far too many desktop herpers who have very little knowledge and still find it fitting to bag people out and give bad advice. Its a shame as it would be very handy for some of you guy's to be able to talk to the top aussie breeders, but most have left the site due to the above mentioned.
You guy's are producing some truely amazing animals. I have a strong stance on the subject, but you already know my point of view lol and its slowly being changed by YOUR photo's Shaun.

[red ink]

Morphs are slowly being accepted in Austrlia but there still a lot more of die hard purist out there. There is no question that the rest of the world is far ahead of us here in regards to genetic pairings and genetic trait breeding. The rest of the world seems to know more about that than here.

It is also good to remember that reptile keeping as a hobby here is not as big as other countries so there's not a lot of large scale breeders or devoted reptile breeders here as a business.

There have been a lot more of RPMs comming through the market as well as tigers so I have no doubt that the haters will change there tune or at least be more accepting soon enough.

[percey39]

Purist have as much rights as people dedicated to hybrids. There will always be purist in the hobby which is good in my opinion as there are plenty of people like myself that love some species they way they were created. Hybrids are definetely a big part of the hobby and will also bring more people into the scene as there ARE some absolutely stunning animals being produced that no one in their right mind could say they dont want in their collection.

Im still sticking to the theory our jag's/RPM's were illegaly imported as how can this gene just suddenly appear out of no where here???? Especially considering it is still illegal to cross in most parts of Australia.

Im being converted to keep hybrids by some the photo's you guy's are posting of some of these morphs and crosses but my personal views and opinions on the damage they can do to the hobby will never change.

[shaunyboy]

Purist have as much rights as people dedicated to hybrids. There will always be purist in the hobby which is good in my opinion as there are plenty of people like myself that love some species they way they were created. Hybrids are definetely a big part of the hobby and will also bring more people into the scene as there ARE some absolutely stunning animals being produced that no one in their right mind could say they dont want in their collection.

Im still sticking to the theory our jag's/RPM's were illegaly imported as how can this gene just suddenly appear out of no where here???? Especially considering it is still illegal to cross in most parts of Australia.

Im being converted to keep hybrids by some the photo's you guy's are posting of some of these morphs and crosses but my personal views and opinions on the damage they can do to the hobby will never change.


imo theres room for everyone over your way

purists and morph breeders

even from the other side of the world i agree that the morphs etc must be managed correctly and must NOT be able to interfere with your pure wild stuff mate

i agree on the illegal smuggling theory as well

just like its the same 3 or 4 people in germany that manage to magically get all the good ozzy stuff

like albino darwins

i got my price back for the only true pure pair of NORMAL darwins i know of in the whole of europe last night

£10,000 = 15,400 australian dollars (for the pair)

bet thats got you going " WHAT the ......."

so we both have down sides re morelia mate

imo morph's have done huge things in creating interest in snakes from oz

dont get me wrong i have both morphs and pure in my collection

also i would NEVER EVER poulute a female diamond

only a pure male diamond should breed with a pure female

you want diamond morphs then use the male

im a tad biased on that one though,haha

cheers shaun

[percey39]

I actually had a German bloke message me and ask for my phone number the other week on another forum. I ended up being ask if i could send some mulga's to him in exchange for 30 pairs of snakes of my choice. Very very tempting and believe it or not he reckons the mulgas would be nearly priceless over your way as no one has seen any in collections.

That price is a hell of a lot more than i had tossed around in my head! As long as they can prove the blood line. Are they up to breeding age or are they yearlings Shaun? If the are breeding age and size there is money to be made off them.

[shaunyboy]

I actually had a German bloke message me and ask for my phone number the other week on another forum. I ended up being ask if i could send some mulga's to him in exchange for 30 pairs of snakes of my choice. Very very tempting and believe it or not he reckons the mulgas would be nearly priceless over your way as no one has seen any in collections.

That price is a hell of a lot more than i had tossed around in my head! As long as they can prove the blood line. Are they up to breeding age or are they yearlings Shaun? If the are breeding age and size there is money to be made off them.


you forgot the SMALL MATTER of trying to persuade my wife to let me pay £10,000 for something that could die or proove infertile mate

me i'd eat dirt and drink rainwater to fore go spending cash to enable me to get them but my wife just dont understand me mate :no: haha

they are adult and come from a 70 year old snake god from the uk

this man is a well respected old old school herper mate

he even lost a finger to an albino cobra years ago im told

this was one of the guys who put herping on the map mate

cheers shaun

[percey39]

Haha the BOSS lol i am in the same predicament mate. I want a pair of albino olive pythons which would cost me around 17-19000, the boss said NO. She did say i can spend 2000 on a pair of albino death adders though lol something that can kill is better than something that cant when it comes to money haha.
I will only buy my animals off people like that mate as you know you are getting what your paying for. These people truely have a passion for the hobby and are not just in it for the money, therefore most are genuin and will be selling exactly what they advertise and nothing short of it.

[red ink]

Purist have as much rights as people dedicated to hybrids. There will always be purist in the hobby which is good in my opinion as there are plenty of people like myself that love some species they way they were created. Hybrids are definetely a big part of the hobby and will also bring more people into the scene as there ARE some absolutely stunning animals being produced that no one in their right mind could say they dont want in their collection.

Im still sticking to the theory our jag's/RPM's were illegaly imported as how can this gene just suddenly appear out of no where here???? Especially considering it is still illegal to cross in most parts of Australia.

Im being converted to keep hybrids by some the photo's you guy's are posting of some of these morphs and crosses but my personal views and opinions on the damage they can do to the hobby will never change.

I would have to agree on your theory mate, though it is possible that it is a home grown mutation. The problem is the lack of provenance about how the bloody things come about. I too an more on the purist side myself, I would never buy a hybrid though I appreciate their beauty (in some cases). I don't have a problems with morphs though, provided they are within the same species.