Albino Monacled Cobra

[RandyRhoads420]

Thinking about purchasing a venomoid one from venomoidinc.com but I have a few concerns. How certain are they the surgery was successfully done right? They seem like a reputable company but I saw nothing about a guarantee or anything about them paying a medical bill in the event something wasn't done right. Anyone have experience with them? I want one either way but i'd LIKE to free handle it from a baby but I wont even think of it unless it's....you know......guaranteed and they'll pay my bill if it isn't...

[percey39]

Please dont buy a venomoid as its incredibly cruel for the snake. Also there is NO gaurantee as if they leave a little piece of the gland behind they will produce venom again. If you dont feel confident with a venomous snake than dont buy one. I know you have a rattler but come on seriously please DO NOT support that side of the hobby. I find it quite disgusting that people do it and feel it should be illegal to do so ( it is illegal here ).

[Reptile_Reptile]

agreed its messed up

[percey39]

You can freehandle any venomous species, but there are massive risks involved. Buying a venomoid will only minimise these chances and will never 100% eliminate those risks!

[kenchenzo]

i think it's just wrong.
should be illegal everywhere.

[Reptile_Reptile]

would you like your sac cut off cause i bet they dont

[RandyRhoads420]

Okay you're entitled to your opinion but I don't agree with it being so horrible. I'm sure theres lots in the wild that are killed or mamed for no reason feasting on food with tons of parasites. Owning one i will spoil and give a better life than most would for a surgery done by a professional. But i'm not here to discuss the morality of it. I know the possibility of it growing back and all that. But from what i've read that happened with older snakes when venomoids first started appearing and the surgery was new, with not much known about the regeneration. My question is now with this knowledge and better understanding of the surgery and better surgeons what are the chances, does anyone have specific experience with this company?

[RandyRhoads420]

Wow go stop people from fighting dogs or killing dolphins I know you guys love snakes as do I...but seriously calm yourself theres alot of Disgusting horrible things out there go complain about them. So I guess no one here agrees with neutering or spaying either right? Answer my question reasonably or don't i'm not posting to hear everyone whine about it. I don't remember asking to hear everyones moral stance on it.

[Reptile_Reptile]

Wow go stop people from fighting dogs or killing dolphins I know you guys love snakes as do I...but seriously calm yourself theres alot of Disgusting horrible things out there go complain about them. So I guess no one here agrees with neutering or spaying either right? Answer my question reasonably or don't i'm not posting to hear everyone whine about it. I don't remember asking to hear everyones moral stance on it.moral stance this

[Reptile_Reptile]

the best point was already made

"Also there is NO gaurantee as if they leave a little piece of the gland behind they will produce venom again." -percy39


oh and no they do not pay bill the snake is your responsibility once it reaches you

[RandyRhoads420]

Okay maybe i still haven't made it clear for someone like you. Does anyone have experience with THIS company.THIS SPECIFIC COMPANY. I know there is no guarantee it WONT grow back if they don't do it right, but their site is pretty clear on licensed professionals who know how to remove ALL of it. I'm speaking of THIS company and peoples personal experience with it.

[Reptile_Reptile]

jeez no need to rage out randy just trying to bring some humor and you gotta admit that baby cobra is cute. huh?

[RandyRhoads420]

Yeah i'm not raged out it's just any time i try to get cold hard facts or ask any questions about venomoids I get flamed by everyone telling me how horrible it is or how bad I am for being interested in purchasing one. I just want information not everyones personal opinion i've already got dozens of those.....

[Reptile_Reptile]

i love hots i just dont like the venom removal idea in my oppinion if you want a snake dont change its life just to suit you. feel me? but still i love timber rattlers im pretty sure i saw one in central oregon a while back i was hiking and walked right by a tree and just heard this little rattle so i took a look in the hole at the bottom with my flashlight and low and behold a little baby rattler is just goin away grumpy as all hell and cute as heck i got a few pics and he slithered away after that i couldnt beleive how lucky i was to see that little guy im almost certain he was a timber rattler im going to look for those pics and scan them if i can find them (disposable camera lol)

might have been a North pacific rattler too but im almost certain of what i said

[infernalis]

First up...I need to get this out of the way.

The question you asked - no, I don't believe anyone here has any experience dealing with any venomoid company. This subject ran its course not too long ago Randy in a thread you started....

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-venomous-forum/83348-defanging-devenomizing.html

Now look at it like this, if everyone was anti devenomizing then, what makes you think that anyone would buy a snake from that company?

The subject invoked drama the first time around.

Secondly, this is an OPEN forum meaning that anyone who wishes may post on any thread they wish and state whatever opinion they wish.

Unless that clearly violates the terms of service that every one of us agreed to upon signing up to use the forum (Including me)

Would you insult the guy next to you just because he prefers blonds and you prefer brunettes? Would it upset you to the point of harsh words if you were right handed having a conversation with a person who is left handed? Most likely not

So why get all cranky when another reptile lover has a different stance on a subject than you do?

[Aaron_S]

If you want to know about a specific company then you're in on the wrong website. This isn't the place.

The Board of Inquiry is where you need to be.

[RandyRhoads420]

First up...I need to get this out of the way.


Would you insult the guy next to you just because he prefers blonds and you prefer brunettes? Would it upset you to the point of harsh words if you were right handed having a conversation with a person who is left handed? Most likely not

So why get all cranky when another reptile lover has a different stance on a subject than you do?

Not all cranky just saying I know alot of people are against it. But that is not what I asked. Everyones entitled to their own feelings. But I don't need it forced on me and my main question avoided. I get it way to touchy for these forums. I emailed the company my questions and concerns but was hoping to get feedback from people who werent the actual company. No one has experience with them here. Just checking the best resource I had available. Go ahead and shut this thread down to avoid any future drama...

[percey39]

You cleary have already made up your mind and are going to buy a venomoid. All i hope is that the snake does not suffer and you will STILL have to treat it like it has got venom.

[Feebo]

Randy you`ll only ever get the same reaction from responsible snake owners. That practice is terrible. It is absolutely awful. Venomous snakes need thier venom glands. I would compare the practice to the ancient practice of creating "Castratos" which is basically cutting off a mans testicles in order to have him sing like a woman. That was actually done to people in the past and it was as cruel and unecessary as the venomoid practice. If you want a venomous snake, learn the necessary skills, grow a set of testacles of your own and take the plunge if that`s really what you want. Don`t have a venomous snake mutilated in order to make up for what you are lacking. You won`t find anyone here that`ll advise you on such a cruel and awful treatment of snakes anymore than you`ll find someone willing to help you find the best way to beat your wife. This is a forum full of snake lovers. Anyone that would do that to a snake has VERY questionable morals, a distint LACK of intelligence and won`t recieve any help from the sort of people we have here on this forum. So stop getting arsey with everyone for pointing out what you should already see for yourself but can`t due to the lack of moral intelligence you quite clearly have. Allow me to save your life here and prevent the mutilation of snakes. Venomoid snakes CAN and DO grow back small portions of the necessary equiptment to kill you. It has happened before and it`ll happen again. By all means, remove yourself from the genepool :) but do it with a venomous snake if you really have to, not with a mutilated snake.

[marvelfreak]

Randy good to see you back on here. I did a little searching for you and found a couple site that will help with your questions. Alot of reading, but will help you out i hope. The second site is at the bottom of the first page. Called venomdoc.
FaunaClassifieds (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111937&highlight=venomoidinc)

I personaly don't believe in it, but i do want to help people so they have the information correct.

[Reptile_Reptile]

Randy good to see you back on here. I did a little searching for you and found a couple site that will help with your questions. Alot of reading, but will help you out i hope. The second site is at the bottom of the first page. Called venomdoc.
FaunaClassifieds (http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111937&highlight=venomoidinc)
aaaaaaaaaaand thread pwned lolz

[RandyRhoads420]

Thank you Marvelfreak for putting your personal opinions aside to help answer my question. I've done research on other sites(ones that aren't even into selling venomoids) and alot say that venom is NOT required for digestion. That most do live good healthy lives if the surgery is done correctly? Aside from the act itself do you beleive these things to be true?


The site emailed me back saying they reccomend "testing" it yearly to make sure it hasn't grown back even thought they remove the WHOLE aparatus, venom ducts and glands, not just snipping the duct. IF I do decide to get one I will treat it as hot but "testing" it before each freehandling with no venom produced, seems Relitively safe, would you agree?

[marvelfreak]

I have know idea. All i know is what i read in that thread. From what they were saying the snakes seem to do just fine. The one thing i read that i can't get out of my mind is how does he get by with doing this in NY when venomous snakes are illegal in NY?

[Reptile_Reptile]

hahahahahahah

have you checked with your local venom center to see if they have the anti venom for it or would you just personally buy your own?

[RandyRhoads420]

I've checked local hospitals. They all have plenty of CroFab for my NorPacs. Definately nothing for the Monocled if by some chance the surgery wasn't successfull. But i've checked around the net and theres a company that will fly in antivenin for anything by helicopter. Like a life flight for antivenin. I know that would probablly screw me financially for the next 50 years. So would CroFab though.

I know I need more experience before I get one i'm just trying to gather info now. There's a risk with any hot venomoid or not, but the more info and smaller chances of something going wrong the more comfortable i'll be with it. On the off chance it did start producing again I would be able to get antivenin. But in time I think i'll get comfortable with treating it as hot, and only after "testing" it, free handle it. Not that I trust youtube idiots but theres a couple videos of people freehandling the Albino Monocled, one specific video from venomoidinc.com. If i'm not mistaken some people freehandle hots from babies and get it acustomed to not biting. I'd like to become this experienced. And it seems like venomoids would at least drastically lower the chances of hospitalization.

[RandyRhoads420]

I have know idea. All i know is what i read in that thread. From what they were saying the snakes seem to do just fine. The one thing i read that i can't get out of my mind is how does he get by with doing this in NY when venomous snakes are illegal in NY?

If the site is infact all licensed professionals i'm sure they have use permits from the county/state.

[MacAdder]

"save a snake, kill a venomoid lover"

[marvelfreak]

If the site is infact all licensed professionals i'm sure they have use permits from the county/state.
That's my point New York has a state law against having venomous snakes. Which mean they can't legally be doing this. I am not saying they're not licensed professionals i am if they real are in NY it's illegal for them to even have the snake to this with.

[jparker1167]

venomoids are supposed to be kept like you would keep a venomous snake. so why would you buy one and then freehandle it? Do you want to get it to show off to someone?

Do you live in a place exotic hots are allowed?

i say if you want to keep a venomoid treat it like a hot dont free handle it, they are not toys and should not be treated like they are something to take lightly. reptile keepers do not need any more bad press. Or find someone to teach you how to handle a venomous cobra and then keep one the way they are supposed to be.

[MacAdder]

venomoids are supposed to be kept like you would keep a venomous snake. so why would you buy one and then freehandle it?
I truly despise people that even contemplate such a thing. Its like taking a pet bird and amputating its wings because the owner due to his or her own ignorance may make a mistake and the bird may take flight.
Venomoids should be discouraged with contempt.