snakes is acting really weird in new cage

[Freebody]

so i just finished building my new cages for my 2 new snakes but the male coastal jag moves real messed up,he goes up and bend over upside down and almost fall over like he dont know how to climb around, im thinking becasue he was house in a tiny little box its entire life ? it was in a 12"x 15"x 5"high cage when i got them so i dont know what they were in before he got them a year prior to selling them to me, they are very jumpy when they get touched so i figure that they were put in a box power fed since birth to breed $ :( im not sure if i should bring it to the vet because he looks healthy and breaths fne but he moves weird.. maybe hes just realy not used to being able to stretch out, tomorow ill post a new thread for yall to see my new cages and them in it :)

[percey39]

Hmm i hope its not a neuro issue that some jags show signs. Does he corksrcew his entire body and do flinchy movements aswell. This is worse case scenario and i hope it is not this!!!!

[bladeblaster]

Sounds like the Jag neuro issue to me, in which case there nothing a vet can do. It often displays worse when they are 'excited' so feeding, in an unusual environment, being handled, anything that stimulates them really. Once he is used to his new home it should show less.

[Man_vs_Wild]

Ok show these new enclosures. Has it come good yet?
Why do some jags have neuro? Is it just to do with the jag genetic mutation or just too much inbreeding? How many 100 times is it safe to inbreed a python?:confused::confused::confused:

[shaunyboy]

Ok show these new enclosures. Has it come good yet?
Why do some jags have neuro? Is it just to do with the jag genetic mutation or just too much inbreeding? How many 100 times is it safe to inbreed a python?:confused::confused::confused:


interesting you brought up inbreeding mate

just read a post from a guy in europe that knows jan eric engell the guy who bred the first jag.

he said NONE of jan's jaguars have ever shown neuro issues.

he too reckoned it was down to inbreeding

in the uk a lot of jags show neuro issues.ranging from very slight head wobbles up to full corkscrews.

freebody i have 4 jags only 1 off them shows signs of neuro.it seems to be at its worst when i first take him out his tank.once his nervousness calms down it pretty much goes away.

others ive read have good and bad days.while some show bad signs then no signs at all for months then back it comes.i have read some folk think its due to a part of the brain not developing properly.

i must admit since reading the guys post from europe i personally am leaning towards inbreeding as its cause.

cheers shaun

[Freebody]

today is fine hes just chilling in his cage. he does not twitch or corkscrew so im not sure if its neuro or not, it seems more like he stretches straight up goes up so far then starts falling back and goes upside down and tries to roll out of it and falls a bit before he catches himself and does it again reaching upward. if this sound like what your saying hmm maybe it is . im going to keep a good eye on him, im really hoping its not neuro issues. i have read alot on jags as well i have heard of lots of imbreeding with them as well and lots of problems realated to imbreeding them. ill post pics in a few min ill get my camera out and snap a few off :)

[shaunyboy]

imo im afraid it is neuro mate.

its nothing to be alarmed about mate.ive seen great debates take place on quality of life etc.imo if they're otherwise healthy and eating i see it as no big problem.

yes i'd rather they didnt have it but in most cases it does not interfere with their lives.

i had a jag that used to do exactley the same mate.its really hard to explain what its doing in a post.but for folk like myself who have owned snakes like this we will know what you mean.

please dont get too worried about it as theres plenty like that all over the uk.

im not playing it down or acting crass about it.but its a jag thing like what some spider royals (balls) have.the slightest of cases is usually nothing more than a very slight head wobble.

[Freebody]

kk thx for the help, at least i know not to rush out and spend tones of cash on somthing i can do nothing about, as for quality of life he will be in good hands from here on in. It does not seem sevear but when i seen him do it i was thinking right away, this is not normal, but it didnt occur to me as a neuro problem :( i wonder if i should call the breeder i got it from and say hey wtf?

[Freebody]

another thing i got these guys to breed them together now that i find this out should i not breed them? is it handed down to the offspring? i guess so. hmm i wonder if i should call the breeder back and tell him i want my money back, if he sold me a breeding pair i can breed.... hmm what to do?i like both snake and have always wanted them but i didnt really have the cash to buy snakes but as they were a breeding pair i went out on a limb in hopes to pay the bill off after they breed babies like my should i or should i post talked about .... murphy's law strikes again! :(

[shaunyboy]

ive heard breeders here in the uk say they have bred jags with quite noticable neuro issues and the offspring come out ok.i have also heard of breeders saying they bred jags with very slight neuro issues and the offspring come out with major issues.imo i dont think you can predict the outcome of how severe the neuro will be passed on to offspring.

i dont know much about ball pythons but the spider morph seems plauged with the same type of neuro issues.in saying that balls tend to be fussy feeders yet their owners say the spider morph has the best feeding response of all the ball pythons.

re the breeder

personally i feel he should have informed you of the any issues the snakes had before selling them to you.i feel guilty that i forgot to say to you ask if the jags showing any signs of neuro issues.its one of the first things i ask when buying jaguars.

over in the uk you have to be really carefull who you buy from.there are a lot of unscrupulous people in the snake world.i have had a few bad experiences myself.i now only buy from the breeders people deem to be the most honest and trustworhty.

it may be worth a shot at calling the breeder as he may give you a partial refund or if your unhappy with the situation a full refund.

bladeblaster on here may be able to give you his opinion on all this as he's had a fair amount of experience re morelia.he also has a very wise friend who knows his stuff.

cheers shaun

[Freebody]

thanks again shaun :)
i prefer to keep them and maybe breed them once make my money back and keep a baby from the deal and most likely never breed him again and keep him as a pet instead of tossed around to ususpecting victims like i have become, but that up to the breeder as im going to send him an email and see what kind of compensation hes willing to work out with me. if hes not willing to work anything out, I know where he lives,and i have a few friends i have sent regards for in the past, and will return the favor for free :P lol so im not worried about results of my transaction. thanks again shaun, knock on wood everything goes smoothly :)

[bladeblaster]

interesting you brought up inbreeding mate

just read a post from a guy in europe that knows jan eric engell the guy who bred the first jag.

he said NONE of jan's jaguars have ever shown neuro issues.

he too reckoned it was down to inbreeding


personally mate, I think that is complete bull, I am not getting at you there, but rather the guy that told you.

If the jag gene was recessive there could be a case, however as it is codominant, there is no reason for any inbreeding as the trait is always passed on in its visual form, and putting 2 jags together produces the fatal luecy super form, so there is absolutely no benefit to inbreeding in jags.

There has almost certainly been little to no inbreeding in jags, certainly in comparison to ball pythons, and corns.

If none of the jags engell has ever produced have shown signs of the neuro issue, then I will eat my hat. The sad thruth is that, even today, some breeders will euthanise any offpsring showing clear sings if the trait, and go on to claim that none of their jags have ever shown symptoms.