Another one of those drinkin posts

[PDXErik]

I just got done holding one of my babes and I put her back and we had a nice time checkin out the tv, the crap on the coffee table and junk. I was going to get a beer and my memory failed me (or the beer conquored) and I found myself thinking that I had just had a conversation with someone, what was it about?

hehe, we did have a conversation. It was nice, I don't know what it was about, but it was pleasant.

God I love these guys.

[mykee]

Have another drink, maybe you'll make even less sense...

[cedwards]

LOL. mykee now that was funny. People these days drinking with there reptiles that makes me sick.
Cheers
Chuck

[Greenlover]

lol people passing judgement makes me sick
cheers
Josh

[PDXErik]

I wasn't drinking with my reptile! They're all tea-totallers. I offer to be polite, but they always decline.

Judge all you like, I don't care, you don't know me. Is it any different than petting your dog after a few beers? Your dog can bite, too.

What I was trying to convey was that it really seemed like I was BSing with a friend of mine or something. If you see your animals as just animals, pretty things to take care of, then run with it, but I don't think that you will really get all you can out of being with these things.

Edit: with "their" reptiles

[mykee]

Are you still drunk?
Drinking and handling reptiles is just plain stoopid, and no, it is not comparable to petting your dog. Your dog is smart enough to know when you're drunk and will put up with your stoopid **** on account of them being intelligent. Snakes are not.
Your snakes drink tea?

[PDXErik]

I tend to disagree.

I'm always good with my guys. They're great animals.

You're thinking that perhaps

1) I'm an angry drunk and I kick the dog (which I don't have, so I must have to resort to my snakes) when I get home from an angry day at work.

2) I'm a sexual predator and I "fondle" them in nefarious ways

3) (most likely) That drinking takes away ALL forms of responsibility and judgement

4) Some bizarre thing I can't think of

Any of the above say that you're judging me. I give a crap, judge all you like. My snakes have had problems, I'm certain that noone else's has. They're all healthy right now. I've got digital hygrometers/thermometers in all of the enclosures. I pay attention to them and keep them where they need to be.

I'm FAR from abusing my guys. I got bit a couple of times. I'm certain that I'm the only one that has done that. (Niether time had I been drinking at all)

Thanks for your input, I'm certain that you mean to help protect these great creatures, but rest assured, they're happy and healthy. If you're concerned about me getting bit, I'm flattered, but that's my problem.

(before you get to it, "if they bite you and leave teeth, it can lead to an oral infection!! OMG!") Yes, but so can eating rats.

[PDXErik]

IMHO, you do not relate with your reptiles enough. I bet that you keep them in a special room, dedicated to them, and you make sure their parameters are correct, but you can't relate with them.

Kind of like one of those puppy farms. How much human interraction actually takes place between you and each of those animals?

I'm not here to judge, though.

Edit: When I say "Each" I mean EVERY one. Neo's, babies, adults, every one. I am not talking about tong feeding, I'm talking about being with them. Hanging out, watching TV. How much "outside the box" do those guys see?

My guys watch tv with me all the time. Each one of them spends at LEAST two hours outside of the CAGE exploring things every week. They go to the pet stores with me, they hang out while I'm playing my PS2, on a few occcasions, they go to work with me.

How much do your snakes see the outside of their cages?

[cedwards]

Each one of mine see half hour each day that it all they need and I do not drink around them I wait till I am done. There is 23 snakes in my reptile room from ball pythons, boas and burms. So if you drink around your snakes then keep it to your self and do not share on this form.
Thanks
Chuck

[mykee]

Funny thing is, up until this thread Erik, I thought your posts were intelligent, succinct and well thought out and that you were a responsible owner.

Personally, I could care less if you get bit. In fact, if you decide to handle your snakes drunk, you deserve to be bit, repeatedly. Nothing personal.
My worry is for your animals. It's easy for a less than sober individual to do something that would put their animals in harms way.
You're dim when you're drunk, we all are. Your judgement is clouded (an example would be the first post in this thread). You don't drive drunk, don't handle snakes drunk.. Unless they're hots.
As for my many snakes and me giving them "personal time", you need to learn about your snakes, and I don't mean by sitting and having a beer with them playing Mortal Kombat.
I mean learn about what a snake as a wild creature really needs. Ball pythons are anti-social creatures who spend 95% of their life in a burrow underground. the other 5% their out hunting for food. Not "hanging out" playing Playstation.
Do you honestly think you're doing your snakes any favours by putting him in an open environment that they are unsure of, possible predators everywhere, with no place to hide, no heat, nothing?
Get a girl/boyfriend for that kinda stuff.

Now if all that wasn't bad enough, this got me:

".... They go to the pet stores with me, they hang out while I'm playing my PS2, on a few occcasions, they go to work with me."

That completely pizzed all over any credibility you may have once had. So you're "that 'cool' guy" who has to show off his snakes to the whole world whether or not they want to see them or not, eh?
Smarten up.

It's been said a million times in a million different places: It's people like you that spoil it for the rest of us responsible reptile owners.
Then people like you get all angry when your city council decides to pass a bylaw forbidding reptiles in your city. The reason is because some peckerwood decided to wrap his BP around his neck and go for a stroll downtown, not giving a crap about anyone but himself.

Takes all kinds I suppose...

[drec91]

will you just stop the nonsense. Is it really something to act bitter about. It just looks immature. And in fact you are furthering the so called reptile owner stereo type by becoming angery at every harmless comment.

[mykee]

Are you drunk too?

"And in fact you are furthering the so called reptile owner stereo type by becoming angery at every harmless comment."

This is a "so called" stereotype that I am unfamiliar with.......

I'm trying to promote responsible reptile ownership. We responsible breeders and hobbyists (and I'll speak for ALL of us, not necessarily "you'z") are getting sick and tired of one or two irresponsible reptile owners ruining it for the rest of us by doing something without thinking first. The non-reptile community, which I'm not sure if you're aware, makes up 99.9% of the population. Many of these people, either out of fear or ignorance, pounce on irresponsible pet owners, because they're drawing a GIANT bullseye on their backs by not respecting others peoples space. All reptile owners are then lumped together as irresponsible pet owners, and bylaws are created to prohibit the ownership of these wonderful creatures.

I am SO glad you're all in the States.

[TailsW/Scales]

Enough of this BS. What I am about to say could very well get me banned from this forum but at this point I don't care. If this S*&t is allowed to continue I don't want to be a member anymore anyway. I'll take my almost 18 years of experience elsewhere.

What mykee is saying is 100% correct in that it's completely irresponsible for you to be handling a snake that has 150 teeth drunk. ALCOHOL IS A BLOOD THINNER JACKA$$! I promise you ............... if one of your large snakes bite you in the right spot you will bleed to death. There are several spots on the human body with main arteries just below the surface. That snake hits one and there is a good chace you could lose a lot of blood and pass out before emergency services can get there. Not to mention is takes judgment and throws it out the door. What about balance? Being drunk throws of your balance. How would you feel if one of your babies is "hanging out with you" you trip, drop it on the floor, step on it and crush it's ribs or step on it's skull? But hey. You're responsible right.

Now for the part that will probably get me banned and /or will piss off a person to two.

PDXERIK .................... you give the most horrible advice. How much experience do you have????? Or should I say not have? By what you put on this forum to me it shows that you dont have damn bit and you're just faking it so you'll look good. Repeatedly I have challenged what you said with NO REPLY. Nothing to back up your post or to attempt to prove me wrong. If you do reply you try to back peddle and save it.

To me your drunken posting only proves my point further. :no:


Oh yeah. And one more thing. ................................ Sankes don't have "complex" feelings. They don't love you or even like you. They don't hate you. They simply don't have the mental capacity for such things. Literally! It's a scientific proven fact.

[Boots]

I have no idea where to start and it is way to late to have to read through all the posts again. So I will start with what I can remember.

We do not say things like "I am SO glad you're all in the States." because you think what the other person is say is dumb. People ever where can say and do dumb things. There is no need to blank a whole country for what one person said that does not make any sense. Oh, and no swearing.

No one will be banned for saying what they think, unless they violate the forum rules. We are an open forum to discuss anything dealing with reptiles.

Now about the reptiles. While I hope he was only joking around and it got out of hand. If you are drinking with your pets, I would have to point out that handling an animal, any animal, when you have been drinking is a bad idea. Drinking is fine, but you do not need to handle your pets while doing it and if you do, I certainly do not want to hear about it.

Ok now that we have got the first one out of the way, the second Darwin award goes to....

[PDXErik]

(granted, I am likely the next darwin award nominee, the only times I have been bitten were when I was sober, but...)

I love my animals.

I appreciate your love of them and your animated posts have emphasized that.

I don't take my ball to the pet store, he's shy of me, even after all this time.

My BCCs are curious about everything. They want to get out. I get them out. I think it's mean to keep them in. (the atb and the white lip prefer I leave them alone all the time)

They're not concerned about my ps2, they're concerned with seeing different things. I swear that there is a clear positive difference in their attitude afterward. I have let kids hold my (almost) 7' bcc (yes, I have personal liability insurance before you even think about it).

I am fortunate and lucky to have anything to do with these guys. I am fortunate and lucky to have the resources to take care of them.

Just because I hang out with them after a couple beers doesn't take any of that away.

Hey, speaking of which, what's a good venomous snake for a first timer?

[PDXErik]

Being drunk throws of your balance. How would you feel if one of your babies is "hanging out with you" you trip, drop it on the floor, step on it and crush it's ribs or step on it's skull? But hey. You're responsible right.

True option, total opportunity. Then you suppose that I'm completely Drughnk.

I'm not completely Drughnk. I've just got a good beer buzz going on.

I am responsible, right! Having a few beers does not preclude reason.

Come on!

BTW, your post was great. I have been to a couple "herp shops" where I wish they would have felt the same way.

Jesus, just because I had a couple beers, EVERYONE overlooked the community I felt with my snake.

Anybody notice that?

[mudduck]

(granted, I am likely the next darwin award nominee, the only times I have been bitten were when I was sober, but...)

I love my animals.

I appreciate your love of them and your animated posts have emphasized that.

I don't take my ball to the pet store, he's shy of me, even after all this time.

My BCCs are curious about everything. They want to get out. I get them out. I think it's mean to keep them in. (the atb and the white lip prefer I leave them alone all the time)

They're not concerned about my ps2, they're concerned with seeing different things. I swear that there is a clear positive difference in their attitude afterward. I have let kids hold my (almost) 7' bcc (yes, I have personal liability insurance before you even think about it).

I am fortunate and lucky to have anything to do with these guys. I am fortunate and lucky to have the resources to take care of them.

Just because I hang out with them after a couple beers doesn't take any of that away.

Hey, speaking of which, what's a good venomous snake for a first timer?

I was reading the thread and noticed this,you handle your snakes drunk and you want a "HOT" you might want to rethink that but if your determined to get one I would start off with a Hognose.

[mykee]

Boots, with your reference to what I mentioned about:

"We do not say things like "I am SO glad you're all in the States." because you think what the other person is say is dumb. People ever where can say and do dumb things. There is no need to blank a whole country for what one person said that does not make any sense. Oh, and no swearing.
"

When I said that it was under the context of my "bylaws" speech. I was simply stating that I was glad that they live nowhere near me, and that they can eff with that cities bylaws and not mine. It had nothing to do with their geographical location with relation to their stupidity.

Trust me, there are PLENTY of stupid reptile keepers in Ontario and Canada as well.

Though I do not take back one damm thing I said about anything else, I do apologize if anyone took my comment the wrong way and felt that I was singling them out as stupid for being American.
That's another topic completely, and one that has no place on this forum.

[drec91]

i do not think that my comment merrited being called stupid. I am simply tired of bitter remarks. I completely disagree about drinking around snakes, although it hardly seems like something to go off the deep end about. I am not going to take the american statement seriously partly because at the moment i am not proud of being an american (but im not going to get into politics). And quite frankly i am SO happy that i dont live in terrible weather. Tails with scale... calm down your passion is not in danger.

[TailsW/Scales]

i do not think that my comment merrited being called stupid. I am simply tired of bitter remarks. I completely disagree about drinking around snakes, although it hardly seems like something to go off the deep end about. I am not going to take the american statement seriously partly because at the moment i am not proud of being an american (but im not going to get into politics). And quite frankly i am SO happy that i dont live in terrible weather. Tails with scale... calm down your passion is not in danger.

:rolleyes:

That was my being calm and feel that I in no way went off the deep end. There are times when being a little bit loud (so to speak) and blatant are warranted. I felt this was one of those times. I do not apologize for what I said nor take it back. I meant every word.

The things I said regarding what could happen when you mix a drunk individual with reptiles is based on pure fact. I have rescued reptiles on more then one occasion from situations and trauma exactly like I said. I also worked in a level one trauma center (emergency room) and saw a guy who "only had a few beers", was bit by his large boa and almost bled to death because we couldn't get his blood to clot because he'd been drinking.

You are correct in that yes I have a lot of passion for reptiles. I've been in the game a VERY long time and have seen many a wannabe come and go and quite quickly when they can no longer hack it.

PDXErik it's still irresponsable. If you had a human baby would you do the same? Also people do not see or know exactly what all you've had to drink and are thinking solely by the words you have typed on here and of your reptiles well being. So when you say "drinkin posts" and you miss-type or spell words people take that as though you're drunk out you gorde and can possibly put your animals in danger. Not to mention, I'm speaking for myself here, it's just plain flat out annoying and has NOTHING to do with the true care, love, respect, and passion for reptiles. It just shows you like to drink and brag about it.

[drec91]

Understood, perhaps if i had experienced what you have, i may have a harsher perspective.I am just accustomed to a milder approach. It is in my experience that a harsh approach rarely produces a submissive response in full grown adults. I admit that my 16 years of age has not put me on the same experience level as you tails with scales.Although i practically grew up working in the reptile department of the local zoo (due to my dads job). I just interpreted the comments by mykee to be immature and uneccisary (probably spelled that wrong). take care
p.s if my bcc's teeth can puncture my arteries, I may need to reconsider handeling her at all. jk

[jayandlori]

ok i have to say this Mykee, TailsW/Scales i agree with you both %200 but i also say let him learn the hard way , (god forbid any injury to the snake) , BOOTS " I HAVE TO CORRECT YOU ON YOUR POST , MYKEE DID NOT say anything about the americans , only that he is glad that the people in question are residing in the states , and personaly i agree with him , stupidity can stay with them ......

[cedwards]

I agree with all of you and like I said to him before keep that kind of stuff to him self and not here.
Cheers to all
Chuck

[PDXErik]

To reiterate my earlier statements; I pick and choose those I handle after a couple beers, btw.

I'm appalled that so many would judge so harshly, but I suppose that I'm just another jackass to all y'all.

I do NOT take Lily (the highly agressive) BCC to pet stores. I do, however, take my smaller bcc's and my ball. I want them to experience the outside world, other people, things going on. If you leave them to them selves their whole life, they tend to get feral.

I appreciate your concern, it means a lot to how much you care for your fellow living animals.

I am disappointed in myself that I gave you the impression that I handled my snakes unrespectfully. I love these fellow beings as much as I could any, including the poor rats that give their life so that my hobby can live.

[PDXErik]

I was reading the thread and noticed this,you handle your snakes drunk and you want a "HOT" you might want to rethink that but if your determined to get one I would start off with a Hognose.

This was just a joke, it's kind of sad I have to point that out, but maybe I'm just not understood enough.