first hot

[the_frog_man]

i want to get a Royal Diadem Rat Snake and i am pretty sure that its a reared fang snake the person im buying it from says its as venomous as a wasp
i want to know everything to know that u guys will tell me
srry for bad grammar and spellin im really tierd




thanx froggy

[pitviper10]

First off let me just say, your 14. You shouldnt be dealing with ANY hots in the least bit of way. You didnt even study up on the snake before you got it. For all you know that could be an extreamly deadly snake on your hands. You cant always believe what people tell you with these types of things. They will tell you anything to make a sale. You yourself need to do a lot of studing to make sure that you can care for the snake, and that if you get bit, you wont drop dead.

[JAdkins2451]

How do you know what kind of research he did.. And its not like he bought a viper its a rearfanged colourbrid.

[the_frog_man]

I DIDNT BUY IT GOOD GOD
i am asking bcause i want to know if i should get it
and i did do alot of research and i have a 55 gallon tank for it and i trust extreme snake the very same ppl WHO BREED THEM know how toxic they are




thanx froggy

[rrrrr]

Royal diadems are generally considered non-venomous. They have a venom gland, and possibly some kind of rear fang, but there has never been a serious human bite. They are venomous in much the same way that hog-nose snakes are venemous. I would suggest they are not a good first hot, because I would hesitate to actually call them a hot. Be aware though that anaphylactic reaction is always a possibility.

[cottonmouth89]

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[cottonmouth89]

Quote: First off let me just say, your 14. You shouldnt be dealing with ANY hots in the least bit of way. You didnt even study up on the snake before you got it.

You should not be talking anyways. You just as him are 14 too. You really need to be more respectful and besides what do you know. Who are you to decide if he should work with hots. I am guessing you do not work with them so you have no reason to talk. You must not have any expereince at all do you?

[CamHanna]

Most colubrids are venomous; some are dangerous (boomslang), some are not (garter). As far as I know there is no real risk from any species of rat snake.

Make sure you do all your research and don't jump into anything. And listen to Bob Dylan.

[the_frog_man]

thanx for the input exept for pitviper10
i dont know if im goin to get it anyways because i only like the patterning on the females and its a male for sale




thanx froggy

[Rhino Rodents]

frog man
do not listen to simon fung he is a nice guy but he only has 3 of the damn things and I personly have met mr. fung ifact it was him whho we bought a fair #of his snakes and all of which had RI so don't get anything form him or the people he sold everythin to
Rhino rodents

[pitviper10]

You really need to be more respectful
Please tell me were i showed him any disrespect? It sounded to me that he didnt study up on what he was getting because he said " the guy im buying it from told me it was as venomose as a wasp" I was think "Hey, if he studyed he would know how venoumus it is, and he wouldnt have to take the guys word for it." Now i know he did study up on them, and he knows what he doing. And, your right, im nobody to decide if he should deal with hots or not. But from my experience (and yes i do have experience). I know it wouldnt be a wise idea to consider hots at that young of an age. I do realize that its just a coulubrid, and is not deadly, but it was the point that he was considering hots, and i was under the influence that he didnt study. Sorry Frog Man if i disrespected you in any way, its my fault of assuming that you didnt study. Can you please forgive me?

[CamHanna]

Please tell me were i showed him any disrespect? It sounded to me that he didnt study up on what he was getting because he said " the guy im buying it from told me it was as venomose as a wasp" I was think "Hey, if he studyed he would know how venoumus it is, and he wouldnt have to take the guys word for it." Now i know he did study up on them, and he knows what he doing. And, your right, im nobody to decide if he should deal with hots or not. But from my experience (and yes i do have experience). I know it wouldnt be a wise idea to consider hots at that young of an age. I do realize that its just a coulubrid, and is not deadly, but it was the point that he was considering hots, and i was under the influence that he didnt study. Sorry Frog Man if i disrespected you in any way, its my fault of assuming that you didnt study. Can you please forgive me?
"Free speech belongs to everyone. No one has a right not to be offended. No one has a right not to be criticized. In an open society, those are the rules."

[caecilian]

there is no reports of any ratsnake related piosonings. And as far as doing research. Half of the information on the net is garbage and sometimes asking people who actually owning the snake is better information.

Pitviper - you should learn to bite your tounge...get a bit more experiance before you run your mouth about hots.

my 2 cents.

[SCherper]

pitviper man your only a yr older than he is how do you know he shouldn't get it? For all you know he could have more expirenece than you! which I'm not saying he does or doesn't, but still.

[Mustangrde1]

Royals are pretty much harmless ive unpacked and packed many of them and have been bitten. the bite was no worse than a red ratsnake and ENVENOMATION was not a factor if even present. The care for that species is fairly basic and they do well in captivity. I do beleive research on the species is a priority before owning and getting in to hots should never be undertaken by minors for numerous reasons. Not to say they can not handle hots but the liabilities involved in a bite both medical and the investigations to the parentds conduct would be extreme. If you or anyone for that matter wishes to get hots get properly trained and wait till your of legal age to take on the responcibilities that go with the risk.

[psilocybe]

Perhaps you should take Scott's advice to heart Mr. Higgins...whoever the irresponsible adult is who allows you to handle hannah's and kaouthia's (seen many of your pictures on SHHS etc.) is looking to get his *** in big trouble if you are to take a bite.

[cottonmouth89]

Perhaps you should take Scott's advice to heart Mr. Higgins...whoever the irresponsible adult is who allows you to handle hannah's and kaouthia's (seen many of your pictures on SHHS etc.) is looking to get his *** in big trouble if you are to take a bite.

Well if you look around more on SHHS you will see some big discusion about that and I will not go into it again. I did it so what. I was carefull with those snakes. A lot more than everyone else that was in the group. Everyone else insisted on free handling. Besides that will be their problem not mine. They were the ones that got the damn thing out anyways. Besides I know several teenagers around the age of 17 who keep all sorts of cobras. I just worked with several and was extremely carefull with them. I just keep native venomous. I know my limit. If they got out a mamba I would of not dared try to work with it. I just stuck with snakes that were in my range that I knew I could handle.

[gonesnakee]

Sounds to me like there are lots of you "future statistics" out there. No minor should ever own a hot. Someone is legally liable for their actions & they should not own any until they can be legally liable themselves. Futhermore a HOT is a MAJOR RESPONSIBILITY & not something to be taken lightly. More often than not Hots are aquired for the Social Status of keeping one, not the love of the species. Personally I think someone should have at least a decade of snake keeping experience before even considering a Hot. I'm not talking owning a couple of Cornsnakes either, but large fast aggressive Colubrids & Pythons & lots of them first. This talk of 17 YO Cobra owners freehandling is pretty disturbing & shows their lack of proper respect for Hots. They are no where near experienced enough & propbably not mature enough (sounds like it to me), to properly respect the specimens for what they are & their deadly potential. Only a matter of time until they get tagged & drag down the experienced mature Hot keepers with their exploits. Might as well start playing Russian Roulette as thats the same style game there Kids. Mark
P.S. of course I don't consider any Ratsnakes to be Hots & its good to see someone who is considering what could be considered a rear fanged to inquire about it & its potential first. Shows that you are mature enough to take these things into consideration instead of just buying it to try & be cool like most young Hot keepers do.

[psilocybe]

Well if you look around more on SHHS you will see some big discusion about that and I will not go into it again. I did it so what. I was carefull with those snakes. A lot more than everyone else that was in the group. Everyone else insisted on free handling. Besides that will be their problem not mine. They were the ones that got the damn thing out anyways. Besides I know several teenagers around the age of 17 who keep all sorts of cobras. I just worked with several and was extremely carefull with them. I just keep native venomous. I know my limit. If they got out a mamba I would of not dared try to work with it. I just stuck with snakes that were in my range that I knew I could handle.

My point was simple: as a minor, you should be concerned about the ramifications of your actions, not just on yourself, but on the adults around you. If you are bitten while engaging in the activity you posted pictures of, I would bet the farm that DCPS would be knocking on the door of whoever allowed you to do that, and perhaps your parents as well (since I'm under the assumption they allow and approve of your activities). There is nothing wrong with an interest in venomous. There is nothing wrong with finding them in the field. However, due to the way laws are today, you should think about who else might be affected by your actions and not just yourself. Waiting until you are a legal adult to pursue your hobby is not only the responsible thing to do, it is the SMART thing to do.

I'm not trying to preach here. Just offering some friendly advice.

EDIT: I guess I should add that the adult pictured with you while you are handling those snakes is either stupid or just plain doesn't care about the potential ramifications of allowing a minor to engage in risky behavior in his presence.

[cottonmouth89]

Just to let you know. I have kept highly aggressive non-venomous snakes for years. Including Racers, Coachwhips, Cribos, several tree boas and pythons, retics and several other species. And besides I would never keep a cobra since I do not have anti-venin. I only keep copperheads and cottonmouths. I know my limits and I know personally that I wouldn't dare yet to keep a big fast cobra. I was just there and they got the snakes out. Besides I am almost positive the king was a venomoid anyways. Hey the adults their were the ones who got it out not me. I didn't ask them to get the snakes out they just did. I did not do anything of this to be cool. I have very big respect for these snakes and I do not get any of my venomous snakes out unless cleaning their cage which I do once a week. Most of the time I dont even get them out I use a shield or use tongs to pick up the waste or water bowls. I understand the risk and do not take it lightly. I have all my venomous snakes in sequre enclosers.

[psilocybe]

Just to let you know. I have kept highly aggressive non-venomous snakes for years. Including Racers, Coachwhips, Cribos, several tree boas and pythons, retics and several other species. And besides I would never keep a cobra since I do not have anti-venin. I only keep copperheads and cottonmouths. I know my limits and I know personally that I wouldn't dare yet to keep a big fast cobra. I was just there and they got the snakes out. Besides I am almost positive the king was a venomoid anyways. Hey the adults their were the ones who got it out not me. I didn't ask them to get the snakes out they just did. I did not do anything of this to be cool. I have very big respect for these snakes and I do not get any of my venomous snakes out unless cleaning their cage which I do once a week. Most of the time I dont even get them out I use a shield or use tongs to pick up the waste or water bowls. I understand the risk and do not take it lightly. I have all my venomous snakes in sequre enclosers.


You're almost positive the king was a venomoid? That statement alone is enough to scare me out of this conversation, at least for the moment.

[cottonmouth89]

Well in the store they told us it was hot. So I treated it like any other hot snake. But a few days later I was talking to someone else that knew the guys and said it was a venomoid. And I trust his opinon better than the people at the petstore.