Does anybody know the answer?

[msubigdawg]

I was playing with some crosses on paper and I wanted to see what I would get if i crossed an anery and a carmel and it gave me het for anery het for carmel. Then I wanted to see what i did if i crossed the offspring from that. It gave some anery carmel corns. What does that look like?

[thunder]

the anery and carmel genes cannot be expressed in one snake. an animal homozygous for both would be phenotypically a type A anery.

[vanderkm]

Anerys that are homozygous for caramel gene have been produced and appear as anery A, but with much blacker saddles and with almost a complete absence of yellow on the neck. Rich Z. (Sperpenco) produced some as part of an attempt to increase the yellow background color and still have black blotches, but got a lack of yellow in them - a complete suprise. The response of yellow pigments to genetic influences is still not entirely clear in corns.

mary v.

[Hanneys'n'Corns]

That is really an interesting finding with the Anerytheristic Caramels that Rich produced. Reduction of yellow...rather than more.....

I do know that the Caramel male I have seems to 'leave his mark' on all the hatchlings he fathers...they just appear more 'yellow' than normal with each shed. It could be the combination of his 'het hypo' as well. But I have not tried any 'combinations' that entail the anery gene other than my ghost female. In that clutch, the two hypo females 'shine' with yellow. I have seen one of the normals from that clutch and she also appears to have more tones of goldy orange.

The caramel gene seems to be one of the 'least' worked upon and unpredictable genes with cornsnake breeding. The "yellows", ie caramels, ambers, and butters are one of my favorites though and I really hope more 'understanding of its workings' will eventually come about.

Hanneys

[vanderkm]

First my apologies for getting Serpenco wrong above - not Sperpenco!!

Agree on the increase in yellow tones in background that seems to occur when caramel gene is present in het state. Most of my amel het caramel are markedly more yellow than other amels, but some of them are no different from regular amels. Believe there was a little survey last year on Rich's forum looking to assess this and I don't believe they could reliably tell the het caramels from the regulars all the time, but still seems to be a trend.

Some speculation has been that there has been general selection pressure for increased yellow in the butter and caramel lines because people breeding them are looking for increased yellow - so there may be a mulitgene strain selection going on, on top of the single gene 'caramel' that reduces red and black. Like the selection to get candy canes - not a single gene effect of amel, but increased yellow background could be selected for in the same way as reduced yellow has been with candy canes.

I agree - caramel is one of my favorite genes in all combinations. My focus is creamsicles, and have really liked the influence of the caramel on my first generation - can hardly wait for a couple years when I will have 'buttercreams'.

mary v.

[Hanneys'n'Corns]

Breeding for 'more yellow' ground colour and at the same time breeding for 'more intense yellow' saddles...hmmm...selective breeding for sure. Is the overall effect to acheive an 'all yellow corn' similiar to these diffused pattern blizzards and snows,where the saddles are not distinct? Don't know if that would appeal to me. I prefer the contrast more...dark yellow against the white background.

The 'colours' of corns...so many possibilities and just not enough space or time.

Those 'buttercreams' sound beautiful Mary....can't wait to see how that project turns out for you.

Hanneys