'05 Irian Jaya Jaguars Hatching!

[WJLeary]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/WJLeary/Hatching13a.jpg

Our '05 Irian Jaya Jaguars started hatching late last night. From what we can tell so far, there are a few with some crazy patterns! Again, this was a joint project with Yasser & Cheyanne of Spitfire Reptiles. I'll post more pics as they start emerging from their eggs.

Enjoy!

[AgaR]

awesome animal....but you don't think than we have enought different species and subspecies...why mixt them...........keep them pure......whats next super dwarf retic cross black head python! ... :S

Ciao
Alex

[WJLeary]

Remember, this is a Carpet-to-Carpet breeding (Morelia spilota x Morelia spilota). Irians and Coastals are VERY similar snakes, and some would even argue they are not different enough to merit subspecies status. They are basically locality variations of the same snake. With that said, it's not at all the same thing as crossing a Retic to a Blackhead. Besides, the Jaguar is a genetic mutation; something you won't find in the wild. These are "designer" snakes bred for color and pattern, not for their purity. It is our intention to bring the Jaguar gene over to the Irian Jaya and we have to start somewhere. I know of a few European breeders that are already producing 75% Jungle Jaguars.

[thunder]

cant wait to see some individual pics! these should be awesome!

[AgaR]

I know they are Morelia to morelia crosses, but for me nothing can beat the pure ones, I'll hate you or telling you you are stupid to do that but I'll never do crosses or buy them thats it ;)

and it's not b-coz some ppl did it than you have to do it ;) lol

Ciao man
Alex

[WJLeary]

Again, here is the Sire of the clutch....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/WJLeary/Nico_3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/WJLeary/Nico_2.jpg

I'll post more hatchling pics ASAP!

[Jeff_Favelle]

Beauties!

[Jeff_Favelle]

On a side note, I remember getting into a arguement with a buddy of yours ages ago about crossing the subspecies (which I supported back then). I think he runs a morelia forum or something. He's in the States as well. Can't remember his name though. Do you still talk with him? And what's his view on crosses? He was totally against it back then. It started on queensnake when a guy posted a pic of a wicked Jag and I said it would be cool to get some Jungle into it. Then this dood who I never heard of started ripping into me. Always wondered what happened to him.

Best of luck.

[thunder]

no wonder the clutch is so cool, that sire jag kicks ***! breed him to whatever you want, hes killer.

[knight45]

will those babys turn that crazy yellow and black as they age or will the stay the same??
that sire looks sooooo good

[knight45]

oh! and the hatchlings too... sorry

[galad]

Wow!!!!
Its got to be amazing to see them reveal their patterns as they slide out of the eggs. I wish I could see it in person.
As far as crossing goes, I beleave as long as they are labled properly when they are sold there isnt a prob.

I heard on anouther post that hybrids are sterile, is this true in all cases. Is crossing what creates hybrids?
Sorry its been along time since i took genetics in high school, though i did well its really rusty.

again awsome snakes cant wait to see more pics.

peace
ws

[Jeff_Favelle]

These aren't hybrids galad. They are the SAME species.

[WJLeary]

This group shot captures some of the diversity:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/WJLeary/GroupIJxJag_1a.jpg

Here is one of my favorites! Just look at that pattern and color!!!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/WJLeary/IJ_2Jag_1a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/WJLeary/IJ_2Jag_2b.jpg

And another of my favorites:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/WJLeary/IJ_6Jag_2a.jpg

And a few others...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/WJLeary/IJ_4Jag_1a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/WJLeary/IJ_3Jag_1a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/WJLeary/IJ_7Jag_1a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/WJLeary/IJ_5Jag_1a.jpg

[LdyDrgn]

Oh man, Will! I hope I get a paying job soon so I can buy one from you (just volunteering at the zoo at the moment)! Those are gorgeous *sigh* I look forward to seeing them develop. :)

[Mardy]

Very nice Will,

I love the one you said was your favorite, it looks a lot
like Candycane as a new born.

All the best Mardy

[JDouglas]

Congrats Will. Those babies are fantastic!

[gonesnakee]

Counting my pennies as I drool, Mark

[Simon]

Wow
those babies are awesome~!

Congrats on the hatchlings~~
The colors and patters on them are unreal!!
Keep us updated on how they do~~

[newticus]

just a note on hybrid sterility. Not all hybrids are sterile. For example wolf and dog hybrids are not sterile. It is generally thought to be a product of domestication. As domesticated animals are used to more change in environment and what have you, so they can handle the "change" in genetics. But obviously this isn't always true, look at horse and donkey crosses (mules)
I do understand that the beautiful snakes you bred aren't crosses though
very nice work by the way

[WJLeary]

Thanks! You are correct -- one of the biggest misconceptions about hybrid snakes is that they are "sterile." This is, for the most part, has proven to be untrue. I believe that crosses such as Carpondros and Bateaters (as two examples) have both proven to be quite fertile. And the offspring of Irians, Jungles and Diamond x Jungles, bred to Jaguars have all obviously proven to be fertile as well.

[gonesnakee]

Futhermore Colubrids are getting Hybridized like crazy & the offspring all seem to successfully produce with one another, the Jungle Corns (Corn X CK) being the most popular. Mark

[greenman1867]

Those are awesome! Please post some updated pics as they shed ect. Very cool, Grats on a healthy clutch.