Help! My Eye Looks bad!

[C.ADAMANTEUS]

Hey there,
Im rick, a rehabilitator in el paso, and have a Ball with appearant scaring on both eyes. he was that way when I got him, and has shed three times with no change to his eyes.
No obvious stress, eats voraciously, and pleasant to handle.
Question is, can this be fixed? should I concider Him permanant to my home? Or is it OK to place him with foster parents?
Any help would be appreciated. Rick
Will post a pic when I figure it out. have recieved no help in that department.
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=29949&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=1

[BornboreD]

If you already have the pics on your computer, jsut follow the threads on picture posting that can be found in the how to forums at the bottom of the forums list.

[BoidKeeper]

Wrinkled eyes can be a sign of dehydration. Soak him or if he's really bad give him some Gartor aid to drink.
Cheers,
Trevor

[CamHanna]

Do you have stuck eye caps?

[dave68]

Check the cage and make sure there is nothing overly abrasive in it . My male ball loved a terra cotta hide house, but after a couple months using it both his eyes always looked kinda scratched up. When I removed the pot, his eyes cleared up comepletely after a couple sheds. Good luck

Dave

[C.ADAMANTEUS]

OK, Lets see,
To BornboreD...I have the pics in My Gallery, But get a box w/Red X when I post????http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=29949&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=1
To Trevor....Have soaked him many times (much to his disagreement) in a solution of water, electrolytes, ESU shed ease, and Exo Terra Electrolize, for about 20 to 30 minutes each time. still does not change after shed.???
To CamHanna.....When first received, his left Eye cap did not shed off, used a small piece of scotch tape, and it came off fine. The next three sheds were complete.???
To Dave, I have only a Piece of Driftwood in for help in shedding, but its not rough, and except for shedding, He just uses it for a hide, no rubbing.
I get the impression it bothers Me more than Him.
Will work on getting the pictures posted, Im sure that will help.

[Vengeance]

here you go

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/7154Balldoroth2.JPG

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/7154BALL_EYE2.JPG

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/7154BALL_EYE.JPG

[Bristen]

it looks like a scar to me.. I've seen stuff like that before.. if it is in fact a simple scar on the skin that covers the eye, it should eventually go away after many sheds... I once had a female that had an eye infection and we had to cut a triangle out of the skin that covers the eye to let the infected fluid drain.. this left a scar in the skin covering the eye for many sheds.. that female's eye completely recovered to a perfect eye after a few sheds (I forget how many). This female is now at Trevor's place and does not have any problems to my knowledge. Make sure there is no infection in the eye (currently does not look like it from what I can tell by the picture). If any infection develops, get some anitbiotic eye drops or cream on it.

however, what I would be concerned about, is how did the eye get that way? It could of hurt itself on something in the enclosure or perhaps being kept too dry? The current situation seems light in my opinion unless infection develops, but I would do my best to figure out how it happened to prevent it happening again.

Good luck and keep us posted!
Bristen.

[BoidKeeper]

If it's in both eyes like you said than it's dehydration. I've seen it before. Soak him and keep the cage humidity up and it will be fine. The chances of both eyes being scared is very slim.
Cheers,
Trevor

[C.ADAMANTEUS]

Originally posted by Vengeance
here you go

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/7154Balldoroth2.JPG

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/7154BALL_EYE2.JPG

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/7154BALL_EYE.JPG
Hey Vengeance, You're Awsome!!! Even the right pics.:D
Thanks a million......Rick

[BoidKeeper]

Too dry, I've seen it in one or two of mine before.
Cheers,
Trevor

[C.ADAMANTEUS]

Originally posted by Bristen
it looks like a scar to me.. I've seen stuff like that before.. if it is in fact a simple scar on the skin that covers the eye, it should eventually go away after many sheds... I once had a female that had an eye infection and we had to cut a triangle out of the skin that covers the eye to let the infected fluid drain.. this left a scar in the skin covering the eye for many sheds.. that female's eye completely recovered to a perfect eye after a few sheds (I forget how many). This female is now at Trevor's place and does not have any problems to my knowledge. Make sure there is no infection in the eye (currently does not look like it from what I can tell by the picture). If any infection develops, get some anitbiotic eye drops or cream on it.

however, what I would be concerned about, is how did the eye get that way? It could of hurt itself on something in the enclosure or perhaps being kept too dry? The current situation seems light in my opinion unless infection develops, but I would do my best to figure out how it happened to prevent it happening again.

Good luck and keep us posted!
Bristen.
Hey Bristen
Perhaps I should have said that I received this snake about 7-8 months ago. Has been in my care every day. I received him because of his eyes. They were slightly infected at first, but after removal of the one stuck cap, and a Batril injection, He did a 180.
He's healthy now, except for the eye scaring. Have used many ointments, creams, from Dr. Greider, Soak him at least twice per week in the solution meantioned above. He has improved, his eyes have not, except no more inflamation, or apparant infection, and his caps came off great the last three sheds.
Humidity in the terrarium that I have him in is at 85%, and temp at 80-90 night-day, and thats been his home since I got him cus Ive been trying to better the look of his eyes.
Thats about all the info I have on Him........Thanks Rick

[C.ADAMANTEUS]

Originally posted by BoidKeeper
Too dry, I've seen it in one or two of mine before.
Cheers,
Trevor
Hey Trevor,
Do you have any suggestions? If its dryness as you seem to think, the concoction I brewed above, should have rehydrated him in 7-8 months, at twice a week. Do you know of a better soaking agent than what Ive been using? Like I said above, I think it bothers me more than him, But would feel better if I could make it look normal.
Yes, its both eyes, but the other one isn't nearly as bad as the one Ive shown above. Im showing the worst of them both.
Any help.........Rick
Wait!!! I remember one more thing, Ive never got him to react to movement, but he reacts when I put my hand in the terrarium. Turns and appears to look straight at me, with instant toungue action, then he calms after a sec or two.
I dont even know for sure he can see???
I dont have ANY history on him. A CDWR transporter brought him to me as a drop Off. (Abandonment).......Rick

[Bristen]

Hi Rick,

with regards to him seeing or not seeing, try and put on a pair of broken glasses and check out what you see!! If the skin covering the eye looks like what we see on those pictures, that snake is going to depend more on scent and heat for detecting food and danger. Like I said ealier, if there is no infection, I would think he's probably on the way to recovery. Give him a few months and watch him closely. In my humble opinion, he'll probably do fine. As far as dehydration goes, if you're keeping him at 85%, that can't be it.

Anyways, hope it all works out. Keep us posted!
Bristen.

[C.ADAMANTEUS]

Originally posted by Bristen
Hi Rick,

with regards to him seeing or not seeing, try and put on a pair of broken glasses and check out what you see!! If the skin covering the eye looks like what we see on those pictures, that snake is going to depend more on scent and heat for detecting food and danger. Like I said ealier, if there is no infection, I would think he's probably on the way to recovery. Give him a few months and watch him closely. In my humble opinion, he'll probably do fine. As far as dehydration goes, if you're keeping him at 85%, that can't be it.

Anyways, hope it all works out. Keep us posted!
Bristen.
I understand About the "broken Glasses" thing, But enen some "legally" blind people can see movement, even if they cant see more than a blur.
Just a thought that occurred to me one day, and havent got him to react to it yet
Thanks.........Rick

[BoidKeeper]

If, you've tried tricks to improve hydration like soaking and you've made sure the cage is in fact humide then I have no idea what it is. What are you using to measure your humidty?
Cheers,
Trevor

[C.ADAMANTEUS]

Hey Trevor
In response to your inquiry of what I use to measure the humidity, I use pretty basic stuff.
I work 10 hrs a day for my income, and spend it just as fast on helping out what sick, injured, and neglected animals, or reptiles that happen to be brought to me.
Cant really afford the "GOOD" Stuff.
Here is a pic. Is this "TOO" cheap of an instrument???
Thanks........Rick
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/7154HUMIDITY-med.JPG
This is an early morning situation, so temp and humidity are a little lower than when observed during the day.

[BoidKeeper]

Well I've seen cheaper if that makes you feel better. Did I understand you correctly when you said that the eyes have been this way for 7 months?
Cheers,
Trevor

[C.ADAMANTEUS]

Originally posted by BoidKeeper
Well I've seen cheaper if that makes you feel better. Did I understand you correctly when you said that the eyes have been this way for 7 months?
Cheers,
Trevor
Yeah. they were really bad when I first got him.Both eyes swollen, and inflamed. Cap stuck in left eye, VERY Immaciated, and dehydrated.
Was left on a transporters porch in a box, and I got it two days later. Really reacted well to removal of the cap, and a Batril injection from Dr Greider. shed 10 days (I think) after I got him, and Twice more since then. All threee were complete (inspected closely by me) no caps left behind. But even though the eyes cleared up, and got to looking 100% better than at first, The marks still remain, and unchanged at that. In person, they look much deeper than in the pics.
There is also Old scarring on his neck, and a bit lower,(obviously been stitched at one time). We know hes had a hard time of it, but without knowing who dumped him, we do not know any history.
Unfortunately, I deal with this kind of stuff alot in El Paso.
Every one wants one cus they're "cool" so I get Monitors, Caimen,
Boas, Pythons, Dragons, even a Solomon Island prehensil tailed skink once. CRITTERS GROW PEOPLE!!! Do some research before you get an EXOTIC pet. It really makes me mad!!
Rick