breeding

[letters]

just wondering if i had a female normal fase jcp, and i was looking to breed in jaguar or stripe or somthing, how does this process work?
What would the male have to be (e.i) het for this gene or am i way off base here?
Any info would be great, thanks.

[Jeff_Favelle]

Jaguar is like the spider or pastel (we don't know if Jags are co-dom yet). So you need at least one Jag and one normal. 50% of the babies will be Jags ad 50% are just normals. No hets. Although the Jaguar itself is a heterozygous animal.

[letters]

Then those babies that are normal from the batch will be het. for jaguar? And how do they come up with new strains(how do i make my own), would i mix one jaguar then with a stripe or somthing is that how it works? I'm really interested because this is what i want to do, thanks for any info on this subject.

[letters]

also is there albino jcp yet? is so how much??(canadian$$) and does any one have a pic?

[Jeff_Favelle]

Then those babies that are normal from the batch will be het. for jaguar?

Nooooooooo............... Jaguar is a DOMINANT gene. It expresses itself over everything else. If it doesn't LOOK Jag, then it AIN'T Jag.

The Jag itself is a het though, simply because for every gene there are two alleles and if Jag is dominant, then the other allele can be "normal". Thus making a heterozygous animal.

No albino Jungles. Albino northwesterns, but only in Australia. Not for sale.

[letters]

so what types is there of jcp so far?

[MarkAus]

Hi Guys

Here are some pics of the albino Darwins.

These are probably around the 15mth old mark.

http://www.aussiereptiles.com/modules/gallery/albums/Marks/DSCN3864.sized.jpg

http://www.aussiereptiles.com/modules/gallery/albums/Marks/DSCN3856.sized.jpg

Absolutely mind blowing!

Regards

Mark

[Bartman]

Holy crap! Albino jcp's...thats what I needa get :p

Are those even for sale yet?

[MarkAus]

Hi Bartman, they are actually albino Darwin carpers (variegata). And unfortunately these are in Australia .

[Jeff_Favelle]

so what types is there of jcp so far?

Just one. The Jungle Carpet Python. They are HIGHLY variable though and their looks are somewhat inheritable. Mostly people are just trying to work with the nicest ones possible. But there are no morphs as of yet.

[pythonmdk]

There MAY be a new one morph but it hasn't been proven yet, the leopard jungle produced by Henry Piorun out in BC. It looks kinda like a jag or a Ij carpet but there has only been one produced so far and its not for sale, you could get some possible het siblings, but again they are just possible it may turn out to be nothing more then a fluke.
John

[BornboreD]

This very topic of "Morphs" in jungles has been something that I've thought about lots. Especially after seeing Ben N. post his white jungles for the first time, and when Jeff posted the axanthic looking ones. Henry Pioruns Leapord's!!! (Blam!!) Not too mention the stripers a couple people have been posting lately.

Pretty much with Jungles, in my opinion.......no morphs, just selective breeding. I could be wrong but I tend to think that stripers appear randomly in clutchs, and you just have to keep breeding pairs of the most heavily striped ones together, hopefully producing offspring that are more striped. Then their offspring are more striped and blah blah blah for generations and generations of sweet incest. Those clutches however (I would think), will still have normal looking offspring, just far less in ratio. I tend to think this is/will be the same story for whites, axanthics (well Axanthish :) ), stripes, and the Leopards, not too mention highlighter yellow!!!

I have seen photos of the parents and clutchmates of my pair, and they all look different. Look at all the photos in the thread below entitled, "New Cam, Fresh Shed". All the photos in that thread are of the same family. Parents look nothing alike, and all the hatchlings are varied in their patterns, (Stripes, Banded, Lotsa tipping, Lacking tipping). I'd say all the hatchlings are gonna color up alot nicer than both parents as well. I've only ever seen pics of the parents, and clutchmates before so that's all I'm goin' on.

These are just my opinions on the subject, I could be way off base here, like freebase offbase :p If I'm totally wrong I would much appreciate the enlightenment from somebody. :D

Colin

[BornboreD]

Yikes, just realized something about my first post.

In no way am I saying that there ISN"T morphs in JCP's, just none that are known as of yet. The Leopard perhaps could end up being the "jag" of JCP's. Remember the real "Jag" is a genetic trait originally from Coastal carpets. Maybe?? Let's hope!!

[Jeff_Favelle]

Exactly what Colin said. Good post man. No morphs, per say, but lots of selective breeding. Still just rewarding. More work on the breeders part, as the morphs just aren't HANDED to you like Ball Pythons or corn snakes.

Also remember that Coastals and Jungles overlap HEAVILY in their geographic ranges and there are several populations where there are animals that are "coastaly-looking Jungles" and "Jungly-looking Coastals". They naturally integrade in other words. They may very well be the same or becoming the same subspecies. And if you look that the range map for the both of them, it really just looks like Jungles are a tiny isolated population of Coastals. Its weird. I hope someday to travel and observe some specimens in the field.

[BornboreD]

As would I!! Perhaps the "Jag" gene, is something that affects Spilota as a whole. First found in Coastals, now maybe in jungles?, and not as of yet (as far as I know) found in IJ/WP's due to them being an island subspecies??? I dunno, just some ponderings for discussion's sake. :)

Colin

[Ben Nickelson]

What a fun post! I agree that with jungles selective breeding is all that is really around (and all that I really care to see).

Colin mentioned my white jungles, so far from what I have seen they appear to be a dominant trait. The grandfather of my whites was white and had a strange head pattern; he was bred to a normal (I think) female to produce more white jungles with strange head patterns. A male out of that clutch was bred to an old normal female that was once yellow but faded into a yellow/white to produce more white young with strange head patterns. I'm hoping to test these out myself in a couple of years.

[BornboreD]

Please do!!! ;)

[letters]

So its all about selected breeding, i'm glad i got into jcp because the possibilites are still good.

[larks]

These are a couple of jungles I hatched out last month, from normal looking parents, they just had their first shed before the pic's were taken. In no way am I saying these are morphes but it just goes to show that anything can happen when breeding jungles.

Wayne
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/scrubby/100_0471.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/scrubby/100_0473.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/scrubby/100_0545.jpg
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