For Drewlove (bone gecko)

[Icefire]

Here is my chocolate Blizzard that I had to rescue:

http://www.icegecko.ca/bone1.jpg
http://www.icegecko.ca/bone2.jpg
http://www.icegecko.ca/bone3.jpg

If you know how to help her, please say it.
I have 2 babie not eating well (pin tail)


Icefire

[sketchy4]

wow she is really skinny. whoever owned her first should never have another pet as long as they live.

[Matt.B]

first things first if you havent already take her to the vet asap secondly if you can find them butter or silkworms are very good if not than try wax worms she also looks dehydrated somewhat so try to give her an electrolyte bath.
Matt

[Optimus Prime]

OMG that is the saddest thing I've seen :( poor little guy I hope you get him back on track.

[JeffT]

looks like the leopards I just got back. It is good to mix some pedialite in with the water to help hydrate. Good luck!

[Bighead]

Wow, and with such a cool leo, too. That sucks. I had somebody give me a normal that looked very similar (regarding condition, not coloring). I fixed the habitat and she was eating great, wax worms and crickets, but two weeks later she died. She didn't seem to be getting any better or worse until she died. I really wish I had taken her to the vet. I still feel guilty. :(

[Icefire]

I did 2 fecal exam on it they were negativ
the Vet told me all was normal in the check
she ate 2 crix yesterday and tryed the silks but he was jamed
to the scott towel. she gave up

jefft did it helped pedialite? or it's all the same

[Siretsap]

Teh pedialite would help her quite a lot, but if you can't find any, some gatorade will also do ok. What do you feed her by serringe? We had some babies that got the pintail and a can of moist cat food was what they see to like the most and they are starting to eat on their own after a few doses of that cat food.
We tried the baby food for a few weeks without success.

[Icefire]

Heya Mick. (Siretsap)
it was babyfood (apple sauce) with vit+D3
you were giving can cat food in sering? kel sorte?
Pedialite are easily found in drugstore, I will try to get some
problem it's costy and can't be kept very long
Gatorade? it's mostly sugar no?

[Matt.B]

try electrolytes they can be found at most pet or reptile stores.
Matt

[drewlowe]

I have speculations but i'm not going to make you worry. Sorry it took so long for me to say something back but i didn't see this thread.

First off how is her eating is she attempting to eat or does she have no intrest in food. Same thing for water is she wanting to drink or do you have to force her. Is she laying around (lethargic) kinda like she's "depressed". Does she have any markings on her belly (not an organ). How long have you had her, do you know how long she's been like this???

You've said you had 2 fecals both were Negative right??? How good is your exotic vet (do they specilize in herps), what possibilities have they told you, what kind of fecal test did they run was it a fecal smear or float. I would suggest to have both done. Also how "fresh" was the poo you had taken in. It should be no older than 24 hours old that way they can still see the ocdyisis in the sample.

What is the cage size, how many hides, heating type (uth or lamp), Temps of hot and cool side, Is she house with others, has she been house recently with others??? If she's not "alone" i suggest she should be and she should have her own things (do not share hides or anything else with any other leo).

I know this sounds like a lot of questions but before i can say the possibilities i would like more info.

I wouldn't suggest gatorade same reason you said the sugars they contain, stick to pedilyte.

Here's a little recipe passed on to me from another member on this site. I think i have it right, i'm at work so i'll try my best.

Get an old or for "reptile" use only blender and some ice trays.

Mix all items together in no specific order. ALl insects gutloaded.

12 crix
12 mealies
12 supers
12 silkies
12 butters
12 wax
1 can peach baby food
1 can chicken baby food
1 can ensure (mine prefered strawberry)
1 tsp. calcium no phosprus
1 tsp. herptivitamin
1 cup pedilite

Mix very well, but you may want to turn your head. LOL Pour contents into ice tray and place in freezer. when their completly frozen take em and place in a little baggie. You can take one out when needed and let thaw. Feed to your leo through a syringe.

It helped mine out quite abit.

[Icefire]

temp are okay
she was with another 2 other female when I got her
now she is alone and didn't loose/gain weight
she eated 2 crix like 2 day ago, and tryed 3 time a giant silks.
but he was stick to the scott towel
she seams to water herself and move a lttle but not much.
I'll check for belly but vet did a palpation, he said all was okay
but maybe anorexic.

[drewlowe]

I can only help if you fully answer all the questions... for example what are the temps. You say their good but what are they at??? Specifics would really help here (it will eliminate possible speculations if i have all the info you can give.)

There is something more going on with this leo, Just go through all my questions and answer them the best you can. I'm not an expert but i've dealt with quite abit in my short time.

What do you mean she was with 2 other leos when you got her. Do you have the other 2 leos or were they in a petstore or something. Have you housed her with any of your leos or shared her hides with any other leo in your collection. How long have you had her.

[Icefire]

I had her from a girl who was housing her with 2 other female.

Them temp are Hot spot 32-35C, 28-32C day, 24-28 Night
She attemp to heat sometimes, she took a crix but 1-2 day after
she vomit it. I will try wax worms maybe it would be easier
she tryed 2 inch Silk but after 3 attemps, she was bored of tring
to eat it (was stuck to the scott towel)

She look letargic, not moving much, look like not much energy (unless I try to force feed a mealied, she got energy to move enought!)

I have her for 5 months maybe, she was like this when I got her
she seems stable but not more than that.
I dont know if she get water, I saw her in front of the water dish but never saw drinking.
she mostly stay in or on a hide all day
hse is alone since I have her. I'll try Chicken Cat food, I saw in
many website that's it could help since there is protein and vits.
for the fecal, I dont understand float/smear ... I'm french
The vet told me there was no eggs/parasite in the stoal. they
were less than 24hours fresh.
the stool aren't black with a with perl like other, it's more greyish/
smooth almost liquid.
there is no Herp specialized Vet around , there is like 5 Exotic Vet
that do reptile/fish/bird.. so I can't know how good, both fecal
was from 2 different vet.
I will try to get pedylite asap. It may help
you talked about "ocdyisis", is it Coxidiose ? she was previously
diagnosticed with that, as the former owner told me.

dunno if she got a Virus that any vet could see this.
they seems to be able to see parasite/bacteria only

[tHeGiNo]

In regards to the smear/float, did they take the sample, put it in a small container, smush/mix it around then put a slide for a microscope on top, then leave it for 10 minutes or so? Or did they use another method?

The problem is, with not eating for so long, their digestive system weakens substantially. This is why your going to have to start small and easy. Offer everything in the smallest form. I would highly recommend silkworms, or the exact mixture that was suggested. I will quote it for you:


Mix all items together in no specific order. ALl insects gutloaded.

12 silkies
12 butters
12 wax
1 can peach baby food
1 can chicken baby food
1 can ensure (mine prefered strawberry)
1 tsp. calcium no phosprus
1 tsp. herptivitamin
1 cup pedilite


I edited it a bit to fit my opinion. I think with the insects, you should start smaller. Thats just a preference which is too complicated to explain, lol. Mix this into a blender as well, is what she meant. This is the best way to get your leo back to eating. Already grided up, it is easier to digest and is overall easier on the system. Best of luck.

[Icefire]

well as I heard it was to mix it or take only a portion of the sample
I never really asked.
I'll try wax next time