Pure black / high yellow JCP U.S breeders?

[Gaboon]

Im looking for some nice U.S JCP based breeders with anything simular to this pic:

http://www.stranglethecat.com/Uploads/1/junglecarpet.jpg

If you know of any U.S breeders with some nice stock plz let me know.

Thanks

[Derrick]

http://www.reptilicusreptiles.net/
http://www.selectiveorigins.com/

That picture you posted is from selective origins. You show credit other peoples pictures in your post and/or ask permission

[Gaboon]

Originally posted by Derrick
http://www.reptilicusreptiles.net/
http://www.selectiveorigins.com/

That picture you posted is from selective origins. You show credit other peoples pictures in your post and/or ask permission

Thanks,

I couldnt show credit because i didnt know who it belonged to. I was browsing http://www.moreliapythons.com/forum/ and came across this pic a while back and saved it to my pics.

I think that pic gives itself credit everytime it is posted on the internet lol :p

[Yasser]

How does that give give credit?
There is no logo or name of the owner on it.
Most folks would assume it was in your collection as you were the one who posted it.
Perhaps when you snag pics, you should include the name of the owner of the pic in the extension nmae when you decide to save it to your hard drive. That way you will always know who's it is.
I don't mind if folks snag pics off the net but if you are going to post pics that are not yours, the very least you could do is find out who owns it first. It is really a very small thing to do.
Becuase without this info, it will be snagges by others as well and eventually it ends up in the wrong hands. We've had to deal with situations like this countless times with folks using our pics to sell their animals or in some way promote themselves and/or their business. It drives me nuts when somone in the UK or Brazil is claiming to be selling CB Moluccans (exceedingly rare)using our pics to "prove" they did it.
I am not saying you did something absolutely deplorable, but what you did is just the first "baby" step for this process.
I mean no offense, just my .02 from the other side of the fence.
-Yasser
www.spitfirereptiles.com

[Gaboon]

Well im not trying to promote, sell, or take credit for this pic/snake. All im doing is asking if there is a breeder that has anything like this snake.

I dont see anything wrong with posting a pic so you can get the idea of what im talking about. If i posted the pic and said this is my snake or something like that than it would be a difrent story but just posting the pic so people can get the idea of the snake im looking for isnt in any way doing harm to anyone.

If people want there pics to be credited than they should put some text on the pic saying where its from rather than leave it up to the people on the net. Or better yet if its that big a deal than they shouldnt post the pics on the internet at all.

I was just trying to give a comparison of what kind of snake im looking for. Im not taking credit for this pic and dont you think if i knew where the pic came from i would be asking for the breeder of this snake? How can one give credit to something that doesnt show who to give credit to?

[Yasser]

"I dont see anything wrong with posting a pic so you can get the idea of what im talking about. If i posted the pic and said this is my snake or something like that than it would be a difrent story but just posting the pic so people can get the idea of the snake im looking for isnt in any way doing harm to anyone."

But that's just it....you think that just because you didn't say it was yours, we are to immediately believe it is not yours? Usually in my few years on the net, I see folks posting pics on these forums of animals that are theirs....where have you seen otherwise with any regularity? Maybe things are differnt outside of the reptiles related sites. Dunno.

"If people want there pics to be credited than they should put some text on the pic saying where its from rather than leave it up to the people on the net."

But that logo or name can easily be snipped out of the pic after any run through Photoshop or some other image program. Is it very quick and simple.

"Or better yet if its that big a deal than they shouldnt post the pics on the internet at all."

And they have done just that....they leave. It is that kind of mentality that has made many of the old-school longtime reptile breeders and keepers leave the net. They got sick of the freeforall mentality that seems to dominate the minds of most of the folks on the net today. Ask around, it's true. Many of them have websites just to put their little mark somewhere in the net but othyerwise, they don't do anything with their computers but their taxes. They all got sick of the crapslinging, stealing and misrepresentation that now runs rampant through our hobby/industry. And IMO, who does that hurt? The little people like you and me that just want to be able to talk to some of these folks and see what they can teach the rest of us.
There seems to be a general lack of common courtesy these days.
It used to be that if someone wanted to show another hobbyist a pic of one of their naimals, they'd have to take many pics on a noraml camera, get the film developed and then mail the pic out. now it only takes a few second to do the same as far as the other side of the earth. We can't even click and roll a mouse for a few seconds longer to find the name of the person that took the pic? You could have saved yourself the effort of even posting your original inquiry if you had just found the name of the pic's owner when you snagged it in the first place. It is just a tiny smidge of courtesy....just to be nice.....courteous. And if you can't find the owner of a pic, you can always ask around. If someone here could spot exactly who owns that snake right away, perhaps that was the first question you should have asked.
-Yasser

[Dark_Angel_25]

I think what Gaboon is saying is that he saw the pic on another website... not on the website of the person to whom the photo belongs too. That is obvious to me, because if he 'stole' it from the owner's site, then he wouldn't be asking where he can find suppliers of this type of morph now would he?

Also as for other people posting their pics, well as far as I have been able to see, everyone who posts pics has it written somewhere that the animals are theirs. As for people who post pics that don't belong to them to try and convince ppl to buy their stock or whatever, well it wouldn't matter because they wouldn't tell ppl it isn't their picture.

The only thing they can do if they don't want their pics 'stolen' is have them copyrighted. then they can take legal action. other than that, if you put a pic up, and don't protect it legally, well IMO, you are asking for ppl to just take them.

that is my 2 cents.

[Yasser]

"The only thing they can do if they don't want their pics 'stolen' is have them copyrighted. then they can take legal action."
That does no good whatsoever....prosecuting copyright infringement on the net (other than music) is diffcult at best. Especially when it goes international. Been there, done that.

"other than that, if you put a pic up, and don't protect it legally, well IMO, you are asking for ppl to just take them."

I guess I should remember that.....thanks for the reminder that the human race sucks. I'll go play with my dog now.

-Yasser

[Dark_Angel_25]

well Yasser, I wasn't trying to attack you, just making some suggestions, and honestly, you don't seem to be able to tell me a way to 'save' the pictures from being stolen either, so to me the bottom line is there is no choice unless someone catches another person 'in the act' so to speak.

As for Gaboon, well like he said he didn't know WHERE the picture came from, and therefore couldn't credit it to anyone, as he got it off a site where they didn't credit the picture either, and who knows where they got it from... so really there isn't anything to do. but generally speaking, when someone posts pics that aren't theirs, on this site anyway, I have seen them say
"look at this cool pic I found"
or isn't this a nice picture? I can't wait to get a snake/lizard etc.. that looks like this"

and from that I usually can tell if it is their pic / animal, or not. Gaboon wasn't trying to take credit, he obviously wanted to know of ppl who had animals like it, and I myself assumed that when I read his post.. I didn't assume he had that snake,,, but that is just me...

[Yasser]

Gaboon, that was a really tasteful post you made.
It was so important, it got deleted.
Nice choice of words man!....you can't have a little conversation without getting your feathers ruffled?
-Yasser

[Dark_Angel_25]

wow... what was THAT about....

[JDouglas]

I can see Yasser's point. A better post would have read...
Does anyone know who produced this carpet? I would like to purchase one like it but don't know who to contact?

Well its water under the bridge now. I know I have made some poorly thought out posts in my day. Proper credit has been given now so just remember to always do so in the future OK?

[Yasser]

Dark angel, that was about Gaboon calling me a dirty name.
-Yasser

[Dark_Angel_25]

ah it's ok.. I have to agree with J douglas he could have posted it differently... and no problem Yasser!

[Yasser]

And Jeremy, I completely agree, it is water under the bridge.

But I must say one last thing about this subject.....
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
-Yasser

[Derrick]

Maybe someone should suggest to Adam and Matt that they should put a www.selectiveorigins.com logo on all thier pics. It would actually be a good pratice for all breeders.

[Removed_2815]

Just a few addendums and clarifications to some things I have read in this post:
Whenever a photo is posted and there is no accreditation, it is a direct implication that the photo belongs to the poster. You do not have to come out and say that the animal belongs to you to be guilty of infringement, in this case the passive approach is exactly equivalent to actively saying the animal is yours. The only way to avoid and/or rectify any infringement is to say who owns the photo. If you do not know who owns the photo then you do not post it, pure and simple, you cannot plead ignorance in this case.
Also, there is no need to legally acquire a copyright for a photo. All created works automatically have copyright protection from the instant they are created, and this protection is warranted to the creator. However, it would be a heck of a lot quicker to prove your ownership in court if you have previously arranged for copyright documentation. I have zero legal documentation for many of my created works, but they are copyrighted and people cannot display them unless they have my written permission. That's just the way it is.....
Cheers,
R

[Tim Schroeder]

Originally posted by Derrick
Maybe someone should suggest to Adam and Matt that they should put a www.selectiveorigins.com logo on all thier pics. It would actually be a good pratice for all breeders.

That pic was from quite a while ago. Before Adam and Matt had joined together as Selective Origins. I don't think either had a name for their "hobby" at that time. Btw, I believe that male is being paired up with Adam's phenomenal Futo female this year. Gaboon, give either one an email to see if they're breeding him this year. You'll probably be looking at 300 or more per hatchling. That male is hasn't faded in color despite being close to 10 years old. I can't say enough about the collection Matt and Adam have put together. Probably the best collection of morelia in the world.

Tim

[JeffT]

thats awsome, ive never seen one that bright before!

[snkmn]

wow, looks great