View Full Version : Odd coastal, opinions please.
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Some black flecking/tipping. very little. very sporatic and random. Opinions?
RachelS.
10-18-03, 07:17 PM
ummm... it's very nice that's all I can tell you lol :p
Clownfishie
10-18-03, 08:46 PM
That's a coastal? LOL...
ohh_kristina
10-18-03, 08:57 PM
I agree..that doesn't look like a coastal to me
Its is most definately a costal. I Know the breeder, I am positive the parents are coastal, and I have seen the siblings from the same clutch, they look what many people probably consider typical coastals. There is no question that is a coastal carpet python.
crucified
10-18-03, 09:38 PM
it looks coastal.. you can see the patterns very faint..
its neat looking indeed..
its like a rusty coastal or a red coastal.. ha
Derrick
10-18-03, 11:13 PM
very nice looking snake
BoidKeeper
10-19-03, 12:01 PM
You asked for opinions and when you get them you take the deffensive???? You asked for them, you got them. Don't turn around and throw them back in people faces. Keep that up and no one will be replying to any of your future post that's for sure.
Its is most definately a costal. I Know the breeder, I am positive the parents are coastal,
Well my opinion is like most of the onese posted here. I don't think it's a costal. As you put it it's odd looking. So much so that I think its a carpet/scrub cross.
Trevor
Yeah, if you're so sure it's a coastal, what type of opinion are you looking for??
And yeah, I totally agree with Trevor. There are some faint carpet patterns, so I would agree that the snake has some carpet blood. However, the colour and mostly the head shape majorly indicate dominating srub blood. Look at the head!! That is NOT a carpet head. Southern scrub maybe?
Zoe
gonesnakee
10-19-03, 12:09 PM
If that thing is 100% Coastal (I agree with everyone else) as stated, you have yourself some different genetics happening thats for sure. Your "breeder" is 100% sure of this? If so was it the only one that looks like that? Who was the breeder & what do they have to say about it? Is the breeder 100% sure that they had pure Coastals to produce this from with no intergrades? If it is a pure Coastal you have something special genetically. What is the sex of it? Do you have any future breeding plans? Is that enough questions yet? Mark I.
Trevor and Zoe, I don't think stkkts was being deffensive just trying to put out any doubt about it being pure. I find too meny people on this site are ready to give attitude not advice or constructive opinions. If you feel that someone is deffensive or whatever the case take your own advice and don't reply to the post.
As for the snake being the only one like it in the clutch, that is how it goes somtimes. It is probably recessive or just a fluke,time will tell. either way definitely a keeper
Piers
Yeah I realize that... but I don't like it when someone asks for an opinion then doesn't take it because it differs from their own. I mean, why ask for it in the first place, you know?
Zoe
Take it easy, I wasnt getting defensive at all. Way to jump to conclusions and make assumptions. I was merely saying, this is definately a coastal. The breeder that I purchased this from, I have been to his facility, I have seen his stock. This snake is from coastal parents. I also saw 3 other babies that came from the same clutch. They were very typical coastals, with greys and black outlined patterns. There is no doubt that this snake came from coastal parent, and has coastal siblings. Jeez, everyone is so quick to jump down someone throat.
Yes I asked for peoples opinions, and the first 2 out of 3, were of doubt that it was even a coastal. I was putting that idea to rest by assuring everyone it is indeed a coastal, and knowing that, what is your opinion of the snake.
To answer some of the questions of the people who didnt attack me unjustly, it is a female, I would love to have a jaguar for it in due time,...but thats $ I dont have right now. As far as the purity of the bloodline goes, with only a handful origionally imported, and no new blood coming in, can any breeder garuntee 100% that the bloodline is absolutely pure? I would like to hope there is no jungle, ij, scrub, whatever blood in it, but it is impossible to say for sure.
If I had bought any other snake from the clutch, and asked what everyone though, I would have gotten no problem with people saying its a nice coastal. Just because something is different doesnt mean it isnt pure. I wonder if Jan got this kind of sh*t when his coastals threw the first Jaguars. Not that im comparing this to the jaguars by any means though.
Why did the breeder sell it to you in the first place? If he thinks he's got some gentic anomaly that he can call the 'Jungle 2' on his hands, then why is he selling it for peanuts to you?
As for your question about Jan... I don't think he would have gotten this much resistance because, no offense, but he is a big breeder. He's owned more than 2 irians for more than a month or two. He has other things to back it up (ie PROOF. all you're showing me here is a picture that looks like a coastalxscrub cross and telling me that it's 100% pure and to take your word for it. I'm not saying you're lying, but if I trusted every person who told me they had a new genetic morph, well I'd be paying 5000$ for a crimson irian jaya [Im referring to the babies that are born red]). You're providing no pictures of the adults, clutch mates, breeding records, pictures of the adults mating, pictures of the babies together etc etc etc.
And I'm still at a loss as to why this breeder would sell to you for peanuts? If I hatched something like that I would KEEP it or sell it for a lot of money, because if its a genetic anomaly as you say, then it would definitely be worth more than peanuts in the future.
To answer some of the questions of the people who didnt attack me unjustly No one attacked you, don't get so melodramatic. People jsut don't like being asked for opinions and then having that opinion thrown back at them. It's offensive and undermining. If that was not your intention then fine, and I'm sorry, but you ought'n go around like you know all about carpets when you have zilch to back it up but a picture of something that looks like something else and your word.
I never said I knew all about carpets, and I apologize if I came off that way. I even admitted that there is no way I can 100% garuntee that there isnt say scrub blood mixed in. As far as taking my word for it, its not like im trying to sell it to you. Im not trying to sell it to anyone. Im not here saying "by the way, if you got 5k lying around, this one of a kind snake can be yours". When did I even claim "gentic morph"? And when did the amount it was sold to me for even come up? Perhaps I paid too much for it and got ripped off, perhaps it was a birthday gift. All I was saying was asking was this. Going under the assumption that the breeder parents have as pure of a coastal bloodline as any other coastal in the states, what is your opinion of it?
Im not asking anyone to pay me for this snake, Im not trying to start controvery. I am not here saying I know everything. In fact the only thing I wrote in the first post was "Some black flecking/tipping. very little. very sporatic and random. Opinions?" 4 fragmented sentences. So If I came off as throwing someone opinion in anyones face, I apologize for that. But to my knowlegde, and to the breeders knowledge, this has as pure blood as any other that is being sold as "100% pure coastal"
PoiSoNouS
10-19-03, 01:30 PM
looks great ! love the reddish colors :)
A Carpet cross of some kind with a salmon colour details...so many recessive genes floating around in the Carpet bloodlines now a days..who knows
gonesnakee
10-19-03, 01:51 PM
Good Luck with her in the future. Oh & Zoe you really need to lighten up, IMHO you are making yourself look like a fool LOL Mark
BoidKeeper
10-19-03, 02:46 PM
Mark,
I have to disagree with you. I don't think that by clearing the air she looks like a fool at all. Maybe YOU (jk) need to lighten up and re-read her last few posts on this thread.
As for me picking and choosing the post I reply to, I did think this one out and decided to pick it so to speak. I saw it as trying to clear the air and offer some posting advice based on what I've seen happens around these threads to people who ask opinions and then react in a way which I interpreted as disregarding.
No harm intended on my part just trying to offer advice that was perhaps misinterpreted as an attack.
Trevor
Jeff_Favelle
10-19-03, 02:52 PM
Coastals are proving to be the most variable (drastic-wise) of Carpets. Nobody could have dreamed of Jags, hypos, hypo Jags, granites, others that I'm NOT allowed to mention (so don't ask), etc etc. The head looks Carpet to me. I've had a few Coastals and the sillouette looks the exact same to me. Get Jurkoski to do a scale count on the head. He'll tell you. Proof will be in the pudding. It always is.
Trevor, I Appreciate your input. It was not my intentions to sound disregarding to anyones opinion. I had just also wanted to clear up the air about the fact that it may, or may not, be a cross.
BoidKeeper
10-19-03, 03:16 PM
Well either way you've got a nice snake there!
Congrats,
Trevor
Like what Jeff, huh huh??? Like what? Come on tell us you know you want to?
There's going to be a hourse head in my bed tonight isn't there?
Jeff_Favelle
10-19-03, 03:20 PM
Ha ha, what's the saying??? Ummm....oh yeah....I'm not at liberty to say. Nor do I have pictures of them on my computer. LOL!
So don't ask. :D
Oh I'm not saying it isn't possible, simply that I need more than a picture to say "yup, there's the latest carpet morph"
I know you aren't trying to sell it. I assume he sold it to you for little because you said that a jaguar was way too much $ at the moment. Why did you get it, out of curiosity? If I hatched something like that I'd want to work with it.
Good Luck with her in the future. Oh & Zoe you really need to lighten up, IMHO you are making yourself look like a fool LOL Mar Yeah, DO reread my posts. All I want is more proof than a picture and virtually no information... Pictures of the parents and whatnot, and the other clutchmates. Those would be interesting to see. Maybe some closeups of the head to see the scales better. I suppose I should have offered 10,000 for it on sight, would that make me less foolish?
I know why I got it....but I think you are asking "why would he sell it" and that I can not answer. I just saw it for sale, stared at it for like half an hour, and then felt obligated to buy it. I dont regret it at all.
I dont even know if its a morph. Thats why I wanted peoples opinions. I know there are red phase coastals out there. Will leary had some very nice ones for sale, but they had outlined banding which this doesnt. It also reminded me of the "hypo IJs" for sale in the classifieds on kingsnake. Regardless, morph, phase, cross, whatever, the snake has a great temperment. Even if I never breed it, I am glad to have it as a pet.
Oh, and I am already counting the days till her next shed, I will get up as good pictures as I can. I have higher res of these, but didnt want to kill peoples bandwith.
Even if I never breed it, I am glad to have it as a pet. If you don't plan on breeding it, SELL IT NOW! jk, but seriously, try and breed it at some point. Who knows, maybe it's recessive!
Zoe
I would love to breed it, right now though, thats so far off, I dont even want to think of it. I wish I could get a male hypo jaguar for it, or a tri-striped. The possibilities could be awesome.....or then again, it could throw nothing. Time will tell.
oh, Zoe, I did get some more high res shots of the head. Im not going to post them, because they are huge, but if you are on high-speed, or have the time to kill using dial up, here are the links.
http://home.comcast.net/~udasco/DSCF0038.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~udasco/DSCF0039.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~udasco/DSCF0040.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~udasco/DSCF0041.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~udasco/DSCF0042.JPG
ranmasatome
10-19-03, 11:21 PM
just like sugar in that advertisement...i only have one word..
wicked!!...
JKUROSKI
10-20-03, 03:00 PM
Upon looking at this specimen I can only come to the conclusion that it strongly resembles the "Hypo Irian Jayas", the hypo coastal that Henric of Morelia, Inc. owns, and the adult specimens and babies from this post:
http://market.**************/detail.php?cat=7&de=144484
replace the * with k!ngsnake.com where !=i
http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19201&highlight=coastal
TheRedDragon
10-20-03, 08:46 PM
I'm ignoring the debate to just comment how beautiful that snake is. Wow! :)
Siretsap
10-20-03, 08:49 PM
Well from the pics I could see, I would think it would be a Morelia amethystinus amethystinus or orange marred.
It looks more like this than the normal coastal but wouln't put my hand over a fire on it.
NewLineReptile
10-20-03, 09:00 PM
Well my opinion is like most of the onese posted here. I don't think it's a costal. As you put it it's odd looking. So much so that I think its a carpet/scrub cross.
Trevor [/B][/QUOTE]
You could be right Trevor, Here is a pic of a Carpet X Scrub if it help's to figure out if it is a Coastal or a Carpet/Scrub
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/507/1639scubsbody.jpg
Brandon
JKUROSKI
10-21-03, 08:59 AM
How many of you people that believe it is a coastalxscrub have ever even own or have seen a scrub in real life. You guys make me laugh so hard. One person makes a statement and then all the little band wagon followers that don't know **** about anything join right in. There is no scrub in that snake and if you look at the head scalation you will see that. Talk about what you know people, just don't guess.
JKUROSKI
10-21-03, 09:16 AM
The most distinct thing about a scrub is the large plate like scales, notice the scale directly behind the nostral on burmese python's cross.
Scrub head scalation
http://www.moreliapythons.com/Oct03/Aru%20Atypical%20Female/DSC05968.JPG
Coastal head scalation (photo by: burmese python)
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/507/1639d_head.jpg
Coastal x Scrub head scalation (photo by: burmese python)
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/507/1639scrubshead.jpg
Wow Jim, thanks for the support!
Cant we all just agree to disagree?! :D
In all honesty, I think she is beautiful, and has a great personality, so regardless of what she is, Im glad I got her.
Jeff_Favelle
10-21-03, 03:43 PM
Thanx JKuroski! I was waiting for you to jump in. I knew there wasn't any scrub, at least none that I could see. But I had waay too many arguements today to start another, and I know you know your s**t! Thanx bud! :D
2 out of 2 breeders agree, choosey moms choose jif, crest is best for whitening teeth, and there is no scrub in that snake.
Thanks Jeff.
lol hey I've bred them too :P
Zoe
Snakecharm
10-21-03, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Zoe
lol hey I've bred them too :P
Zoe
You've bred coastals and scrubs? Wow, guess you sold your breeders, at least I don't see them mentioned in your tag. =)
lol, well neither has Jeff ;)
Zoe
Jeff_Favelle
10-21-03, 04:36 PM
Excuse me? Are ya sure?
of course jeff has bred coastal x scrub. Where do you think I got this one from? ;)
Really! How come you don't still breed them, Jeff? Coastals need some work I find.
Where do you think I got this one from? you have a coastal x scrub? lesee!
Zoe
haha, the first pic is a coastal x scrub
LOL
Im just kidding. No I dont have one.
Jeff_Favelle
10-21-03, 05:58 PM
The cage space that a pair of Coastals take up I can fit 4 Jungles (1.3). More dough$$! LOL!
But I am next in line for a Jag straight from Germany! (hopefully). And I am very at odds with crossing Jungles into Jags, so I may have to snag a few adult female Coastals. I don't know. I'm still debating this one heavily.
But I also don't like the look of normal Coastals. Not at all. I find them uggo, ha ha!!
lol!
Noo don't mix jags and jungles... I don't always have a problem with hybridizing, but I don't think jag x jungle is good.
Zoe
Jeff_Favelle
10-21-03, 07:23 PM
The thing is though, its not a hybrid. SAME species. Its just an integrade. And they naturally integrade in the WILD. Taxonomic status of cheynei and mcdowelli is not set in stone. What if next year they are found to be locales of the SAME species (which is mentioned as a HIGH possibility in the Barker book)? Its easy to just say "don't do it, hybrids suck". But what is really the right thing to do. I've been thinking about it hard for the last 2 years.
Jeff_Favelle
10-21-03, 07:24 PM
And the people who have ALREADY bred Jag x Jungle say they are the most amazing Carpets EVER! And they have the pics to prove it.
Yes I agree, but I suppose I'm more opposed to crossing subspecies than species themselves. I mean, if you cross a gtp and a jcp, there's no way in hell you're going to mistake it for either species... it would probably take a few generations breeding the cross to the same species to get something similar. But look at how, now, you often see people getting jungle x coastals that are being sold as coastals or whatever.
I know it's going to be done, so you may as well be the one to do it, but I don't think it ought to be done.
Zoe
How about the jungle x diamond cross breed. How many jungles origionally came into the states? I know it wasnt many. Can anyone truly garuntee any of the jungles that are here today dont have any diamond in them? Maybe you know something I dont. I dont know much :). But it would be very hard to garuntee a pure jungle and be able to trace its lineage back to 2 WC snakes.
Jeff_Favelle
10-21-03, 07:47 PM
Yeah, as I said, I'm at odds. The only thing is, the subspecific denomination is a man-made entity and even some of the Carpet experts are calling Jungles an inland form of mcdowelli. So if all the brain-trusts of the world called Jungles and Coastals the SAME species in a new study, then does that make it righter or wronger to now integrade them?
What I am saying is, what we call them or do with them captivity does not change what they do in the wild. And they interbreed in the wild whether we call them "Jungle" or we call them "Coastal". And its not like ANY flora or fauna is EVER going to make it back to Australia. That continent/country is like Fort Knox when it comes to the trade in living things.
NewLineReptile
10-22-03, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by JKUROSKI
How many of you people that believe it is a coastalxscrub have ever even own or have seen a scrub in real life. You guys make me laugh so hard. One person makes a statement and then all the little band wagon followers that don't know **** about anything join right in. There is no scrub in that snake and if you look at the head scalation you will see that. Talk about what you know people, just don't guess.
Good point man, but i did not read all of the post's i did not really want to get into it. So i just posted a pic of a REAL CoastalXScrub so that they would no what one really looks like. But you pointed it out good with the pic's
Brandon
JKUROSKI
10-22-03, 01:33 PM
They are all Morelia northamericus anyway...breed what ya want! If it looks good and you like the result fine, if not, don't do it again. As long as they are sold as such I see no problem with it.
MarkAus
10-23-03, 04:33 PM
Hi Stkkts, i think that definately is a coastal, we have plenty of those ones around in Australia, sold as Hypos. Some of them start getting their pattern back after about a year, some of them stay red forever. I know someone who collected a wild caught solid red female many years ago. It was bred with a normal male and what came out was outstanding, some had a werid green tinge to them, some looked normal but majority looked really different. Im going to see the guy in a couple weeks, ill see if i can take some pics and send them to you. But that snake is definately a coastal, time will tell if it holds its colour and pattern or loses it.
It is a local reptile suppliers webpage, i have seen these, they look very similar to yours, some held their colour and pattern,some didnt .
Photo from Ultimate Reptile supllies
cheers
markhttp://reptile.senet.com.au/images/pythons/hycarpet2.jpg
WOW! That snake is beautiful. Thanks for giving us some more information mark. That really helps clear the air about the snake. Too bad we cant get those out of Australia huh?
Derrick
10-23-03, 06:08 PM
lol you could tape them to your pant legs in special pockets.
Jeff_Favelle
10-23-03, 07:42 PM
Thank you MarkAus!! Thank you very much. Your comments are ALWAYS welcome for the Australian animals as far as I'm concerned! We're LUCKY to have you here.
And like you said, its a Coastal.
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