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Old 05-29-17, 02:40 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Very very pretty. Congratulations. Must be said I'm getting a bit of a yearning for some garters and I have the perfect spare enclosure.

As for the reproductive side of the hobby I can't wait to get started as I can imagine the challenge and reward is a real buzz.
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Old 05-29-17, 11:53 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Purty...real purty! Almost makes me want one...almost!
Thanks Scuba! Garters are a very cool species to interact with. The multitude of morphs is exploding. Pioneer Jeff Benfer aka the garter snake morph recently produced a worlds first erythrystic albino golden eastern garter snake.

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Albert, PM a price for a 1.1 pair with shipping included please.
. PM sent. Thanks Mink.

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If I was going to have a garter, this would be it!!! Gorgeous babies!
. Thanks TR. These guys (Infernalis) are a very sought after subspecies. Almost a must have. Lol.

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Very very pretty. Congratulations. Must be said I'm getting a bit of a yearning for some garters and I have the perfect spare enclosure.

As for the reproductive side of the hobby I can't wait to get started as I can imagine the challenge and reward is a real buzz.
. Thanks db. I saw where you previously expressed a desire for garters. Yeah, follow that yearning. Can't wait to see you get started with them.
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Old 05-30-17, 12:07 AM   #18 (permalink)
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The babies of this subspecies color up with their red as they shed out. You can see a couple of them are already more colorful than their siblings. Parents are unrelated and both first timers in breeding and producing.
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Old 05-30-17, 12:53 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Oh, those are some cute little worms. Mom and Dad are knockouts!
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Old 05-30-17, 03:30 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Oh, those are some cute little worms. Mom and Dad are knockouts!
. Thank you SD. Yep the parents are a superior mix no doubt. The male came from a breeder in South Carolina, the female from a breeder in Iowa..
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These guys (Infernalis) are a very sought after subspecies. Almost a must have. Lol.
Agreed!! I am seriously tempted lol...I may be moving here in the next month or so and wouldn't want to pick up anything new until I get that obstacle cleared
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Beautiful snakes Albert, thanks for posting the pics mate
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Old 05-30-17, 08:44 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Agreed!! I am seriously tempted lol...I may be moving here in the next month or so and wouldn't want to pick up anything new until I get that obstacle cleared
Well, when you are stabilized and ready to go garter I will be glad to assist you. Thanks.

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Thanks dave. Glad you enjoyed the pics.
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Old 05-31-17, 02:04 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Wooooooow. Are these San Francisco ones? They look like them, but I could be wrong. Cause I thought the San Fran ones were illegal to have since they have such a small habitat. Asking cause I love the looks of these. OOOok I answered my own question: They are not! haha. So pretty. Is there regulations about selling to someone in California if you know?

I actually went to a lecture about the Giant Garter snakes we get around my area... to go a little off the topic.
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Wooooooow. Are these San Francisco ones? They look like them, but I could be wrong. Cause I thought the San Fran ones were illegal to have since they have such a small habitat. Asking cause I love the looks of these. OOOok I answered my own question: They are not! haha. So pretty. Is there regulations about selling to someone in California if you know?

I actually went to a lecture about the Giant Garter snakes we get around my area... to go a little off the topic.
. Thanks. No. These are not T.S. Tetratenia (San Francico garter snake), who are federally protected. These are T.S. Infernalis (California red sided) whose conservation status is now threatened in the wild. I would think that selling them to someone in California could be illegal as they are a native species to the state.
T. Gigas ( Giant garter snake) also has a conservation status of "threatened". Native to California. Neither Infernalis nor Gigas are federally protected but are on the state level as native species that are threatened.

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I've been wanting a group of garters with blue! Price? (or pm me) if you are shipping them? How early can you tell gender on the species?
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Congratulations, Albert. A very nice garter sp. to look at for sure.
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. Thanks. No. These are not T.S. Tetratenia (San Francico garter snake), who are federally protected. These are T.S. Infernalis (California red sided) whose conservation status is now threatened in the wild. I would think that selling them to someone in California could be illegal as they are a native species to the state.
T. Gigas ( Giant garter snake) also has a conservation status of "threatened". Native to California. Neither Infernalis nor Gigas are federally protected but are on the state level as native species that are threatened.
Yeah you're probably right. But man oh man these are lovely. I want one haha.
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I've been wanting a group of garters with blue! Price? (or pm me) if you are shipping them? How early can you tell gender on the species?
. Sure! Will do the pm on the details. Once they start putting on size you can tell. Usually by popping them when they are this small. They have been a bit challenging to get started feeding. A couple are better feeders than others.

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Congratulations, Albert. A very nice garter sp. to look at for sure.
. Thanks Andy. They are nice to look at.

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Yeah you're probably right. But man oh man these are lovely. I want one haha.
Thank you. They are very colorful and can sometimes have a little attitude as youngsters as they put on a little size.
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Old 06-07-17, 01:36 PM   #30 (permalink)
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These guys have been very challenging to get started on food. All of them have eaten several meals but have a ways to go before they are ready for new homes. Still waiting for my other female Cali to drop her litter. Stay tuned.
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