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Old 07-18-10, 09:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

OK I am rasing my two balls to breed with each other my male is a normal with het axanthic and my female is a normal with het albino.. So should be a pretty interesting clutch, but would it be possible for a(Axanthic Albino) to emerg from the Clutch???
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Re: BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

It's a zero chance since both of those genes are recessive. It takes both parents to have the gene for it to show in the babies. You would get babies all 50% double het for axanthic and albino or also called snow. You would need to breed the babies to each other to get an axanthic albino.
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Re: BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

Ahh either way the clutch should come out pretty good when they are old enough to breed. But I could hope for some axanthics and albinos with the clutch huh??? but my female iv had her for almost a month and she seems to be getting lighter in color but IDK why that is i bought her out of a normal clutch but she was a lighter colored female maybe she just a light colored normal wouldent be the first.
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Re: BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

you would have nearly zero probability of any morphs in your first clutch.

however, you can then breed siblings back to each other and get some wild babies from subsequent clutches.
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Re: BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

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you would have nearly zero probability of any morphs in your first clutch.
I like to look at the up side lol I know its slime chances but nearly zero probobilty to me just means its not impossible
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Re: BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

what you would need is

2 ball pythons that were het for axanthic = some axanthic babys

2 ball pythons that were het for albino = some albino babys.

2 ball pythons that were double het for axanthic & albino = some axanthic & some albino's.

thats how it would look on paper but good old mother nature decides in the end what comes out.

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Re: BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

Maybe shes on my side lol
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Re: BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

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I like to look at the up side lol I know its slime chances but nearly zero probobilty to me just means its not impossible

i'd say it is impossible.

your snakes are het for different things.

1 has the albino gene which requires the other snake you breed with to have it to.to have visuall morph's.

1 snake has the axanthic gene again you would need the snake it breeds to have it to.

the axanthic gene and albino gene are 2 completely different kinds of gene so mixing them together will not produce any visuall morph's at all.

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Re: BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

from a het axanthic X het albino pairing you have a 25% chance of normals, 25% chance of het axanthics, 25% chance of het albinos and 25% chance of double het axanthic/albino.

there is no possibility of a visual morph resulting from that pairing as all the animals will be possible het, normal looking animals.
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Re: BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

that make since what if i bout a female pie ball to breed with my male there would be a 50 % chance of normal with het axanthics and pies/ and 50% chance of pie balls with het axanthics and normals?? hows that work exactly
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Re: BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

What you have are two snakes with different recessive genetics. In the case of recessive traits, you need a gene from the mom and a gene from the dad to show the trait. Het means it carries one gene for a trait, but will not be visible since it is only the one copy and it is masked by a copy of the normal gene. If you breed a het axanthic to a het albino, you would get 25% of completely normal, 25% chance of het albino, 25% chance of het axanthic and 25% chance of double het. However, all of your hets would look normal.
Because of the confusing genetics and the many varieties of hets that would come out of this breeding, I would not really bother breeding those two...it's just not worth it since you can't tell which of your babies is normal, het or double het and would have to sell them all as possible double het, not worth more than normals really.

I would save up my money and buy a female het axanthic or a male het albino. You should also do more research on how genetics works, as it will really help you in the future. But as for breeding a het for one trait to a het for a different trait, there IS ZERO % chance of any visible morphs coming out of that clutch...it just CANNOT happen due to the way genetics works.

Also, are both of your snakes 100% het? If one is, say 50% het or 66% het, then that means that there is a certain % chance it carries the het gene, and you could actually have a completely normal snake.

If you are interested in proving out your female het albino, I recently bought a breeding size male 100% het albino BP and would talk about a possible breeding loan with you for next season.
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Re: BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

There's not a *zero* percent chance, just a one in a million (actually probably a lot more than a million) chance. He could end up with a morph through random mutation.
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Re: BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

SO pretty much a useless pair unless i just wanted normals. Thanks every body I know about raising snakes but am new to breeding and genetics.
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Re: BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

breed them anyways, keep one male, one female and wholesale the rest off to a pet store.

In a couple years time, you will have morphs.
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Re: BREEDING(normal M het axanthic normal female het albino)

Yeah Could do that wich it will be a while befor they breed they are still small and young males almost 4 months females almost 3 months
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