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Old 05-16-17, 03:46 PM   #16 (permalink)
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So, I have been looking at attending this Reptile Expo in Tulsa, OK on June 18th. Looking at the vendors though, they seem to only offer ball pythons. Do folks tend to get their reptiles online often, or moreso locally? There is a place that breeds balls about 40 minutes from my address in my grandma's town. It has very positive reviews on FaunaClassifieds. I would like to handle some snakes that I'm interested in to get a feel for them, but from the looks of it the Reptile expo wouldn't give me a real variety, and some of the breeders mentioned didn't review well. I like the idea of seeing how these guys handle first hand and being able to speak to a breeder one on one about feeding and all that. I know there are some online places that are reputable (BHB seems very nice) and some that are borderline blacklisted.

Assuming that I decide on what species I would like based on general temperament and care requirements, does anyone have recommendations on breeders? I'm certainly not opposed to breeders that aren't giants either. Mom and Pop operations are great in my book as long as they are good to the animals.

Thanks everyone.

Also if this would be better posted elsewhere in the forum I will be happy to do so. I just don't want to duplicate a thread if it's unnecessary. I know that is generally frowned upon.
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Old 05-16-17, 04:11 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I've never gotten an animal from an expo or locally. I've always ordered my animals online and it works perfectly. It really depends on what species you're looking for, but I usually look at listings on Kingsnake.com or fauna classifieds and go from there, or sometimes I'll just look at a Google search of breeders. I tend to avoid the big businesses like BHB for a number of reasons. I like to support people who don't do it on a huge scale and who do it out of passion, and the customer service and animal quality is usually better. BHB is okay, but I don't agree with a lot of the things they do or put out to the reptile community. But to make recommendations for specific breeders, it'd be useful to know what you're looking at.
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Old 05-16-17, 05:25 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I've gotten animals from expos and online and both experiences went very well. Some expos do tend to be heavy on just a few species (balls in particular) so other than picking up supplies and rodents, sometimes they can be a bust...but not always.

The snakes that I have purchased online have come from quality breeders and the process was very quick and smooth.

The BOI is an excellent resource to research any potential new acquisitions
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Old 05-16-17, 08:53 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I've never gotten an animal from an expo or locally. I've always ordered my animals online and it works perfectly. It really depends on what species you're looking for, but I usually look at listings on Kingsnake.com or fauna classifieds and go from there, or sometimes I'll just look at a Google search of breeders. I tend to avoid the big businesses like BHB for a number of reasons. I like to support people who don't do it on a huge scale and who do it out of passion, and the customer service and animal quality is usually better. BHB is okay, but I don't agree with a lot of the things they do or put out to the reptile community. But to make recommendations for specific breeders, it'd be useful to know what you're looking at.
You know I'd have to agree really about staying away from big breeders. That's probably where the BOI will come in handy. I feel like the passionate, smaller breeders will be more likely to answer questions, with a chance of a higher quality reptile as well. I like cars, so I try to think of it like this: if I had 30 cars, I could tend to them each twelve times a year. If I had three, the care goes to 120. So after a few years their quality of maintenance would be much higher. Sounds stupid but that's just how I compute.

As for the snakes, I'm still really undecided. I do love the look of balls, and that they just kind of chill. I love the look of the W hognose. I know both of these guys can go off feed for a bit though, so as an owner I can't let it freak me out unless I notice the snake isn't seeming healthy. I think that sand, rosy, and rainbow boas look great, but I read the latter two need high humidity and that does kind of concern me. I mean regardless of what I get, they're my responsibility and I want to make sure they're as happy and healthy as a snake could be. Sand boas are adorable but I know they'll hide 95% of the time, and I read somewhere they're a bit fragile as well. King snakes, I think I neat but I've read they like to musk considerably. I know the rainbow, rosy, and ball will need more humidity and the hognose and sand would need higher heat. The room I plan on having them does stay warmer than the rest of the house typically, but my wife also likes to keep us somewhere in the 67-70 range. If I had to categories them, it would be:
Temperament: from what I've read, they're all pretty lax over time.
Looks: ball, hognose, rainbow
Feeding: rainbow, rosy, sand, king
Ease of enclosure: hognose, sand, king
Morphs: if I actually cared all that much, the ball would win. Watermelon hognoses I dig too. But they're all good looking snakes in their standard colors as well.
Size: none of them grow to an intimidating size for me.
Cost to feed: I'm having a hard time getting data on this.
Enclosure size: they should, from my understanding, all be happy as adults in anything between a 10-30 gallon terrarium, depending on the species and sex.
Cost: y'all know better than I do that this varies greatly not only by species but breeder. If I went no morph, from one place I priced them, it would go sand, ball, rosy, hognose, king, rainbow.

I will say this, I like the look of chubby snakes. I also am afraid of a fast snake some how falling out of my hands or something. I've held two snakes, both pythons, and they just sat in my hands. One just stared into the distance like it was contemplating its life decisions. I can relate to that little one sometimes.

When it comes to the search, it started because of a ball python. Then I discovered hognoses, then sand boas, kings, rainbow, and finally rosy. They all have something special about them and I'm fascinated by them all. But I like the idea of a slower moving snake that could help me learn proper handling. I really don't want to hurt one because it was fast and I mishandled it.

In speaking of smaller breeders, if I do decide to go with a ball, there's a breeder nearby. Anything else and I will likely need to order online.
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Old 05-17-17, 12:43 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I get my snakes from three sources. I'm lucky to have an excellent reptile store local to me and as well as the usually stuff they try and have the odd rarer / less kept species in.

Indeed my olive python pair came from there and finding olive pythons in a store rather than a specialist breeder is almost unheard of.

I now also have a good number of breeder contacts who work with rarer species as well as the more common ones and I now have the confidence to determine the good uns from the bad uns.

I generally avoid facebook selling groups, craigslist type sites etc for animals unless a specific species comes up (occasionally something interesting comes up) but they're any excellent resource for second-hand equipment.

The third source is the main expo we have here but I generally try and source the breeder first and chat to them first and then arrange to view and collect the animals rather than go and see what I like and buy on the spot. Again there's a couple of species that if I did happen to see I'd be tempted to just buy but luckily so far that hasn't happened!
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Old 05-17-17, 09:19 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Solid pointers. I appreciate it!
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Old 05-20-17, 01:34 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I love kings

PS. Kenyan Boa isn't exactly a good eater (they are very shy), and you will not see him/her a lot. Maybe once every week or 2. Like I said before; Keeping sandboa's is like keeping a jar of dirt that seemingly out of itself reorganizes from time to time.

Also, a good bite from a Hognose can actually hurt a ton, but that's about all it does unless you're allergic. Luckily they don't really bite all that often and most people are conscious enough not to have the snake chew down its venom for a while. They are cute as hell, but I can't get any here because they are DWA where I am (Hungary).

PPS. I have Kings, Milks, and Sandboa's. Since both Milk and king fall into the same genus (Lampropeltis) it can be a bit confusing (they should really separate them). I personally think the Kingsnakes are the better keepers. Milks in general seem to be a lot more shy and secretive for some reason, or at least mine.

African House Snakes are actually very nice snakes, but to each their own. I had several chances to get some very nice specimen, though I never ended up with one. So there's that.

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Old 05-20-17, 02:49 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I have a Brazilian Rainbow Boa as well as 3 Ball Pythons. The humidity issue for a BRB is not a big issue at all to maintain. My BRB is more exploratory when I hold her while 2 of 3 of my BP's are my buddies to watch TV and they just chill and go into periscope mode. My other BP thinks she is a BRB. Whatever snake you choose you will enjoy I'm sure.
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