GTP Problem - Page 2

citysnakes · 04-04-09, 11:18 PM

kmef07, you keep saying over and over that BRBs can withstand so much moisture yet you admit that it was too much moisture that caused your BRB to contract some type of skin problem. just because they may be able to withstand some type of stressor within the environment doesnt mean that you should constantly expose them to it until the point where it becomes problematic.

you believe that they can handle a very wet enclosure for an extended period of time. thats great man, we get your point. obviously your overly wet enclosure was not a humid one, regardless of what your hygrometer reads, proven by skin problems and incomplete sheds.

hopefully you learned that wetness is totally different than humidity and that a constant, excess of each or both of these two variables will eventually cause health issues with any snake.

Kmef07 · 04-06-09, 08:44 AM

yes that was the point i was making julian. and like i said the humidity was not the problem with the incomplete sheds it was the skin being too wet which made the shed almost soggy that is why it ripped. and yes i stated numerous times i was wrong and that there is a difference between wet and humidity. the problem i have with what was said was that it can be too humid and he thought i was talking about a GTP not a brazilian. i was stating that the brazilians can actually flourish in 100% humidity but can't in complete wetness. I admitted i was wrong because they can survive it for a while in complete wetness but that doesn't mean it is good for it. but the higher the humidity the better.

citysnakes · 04-06-09, 09:13 AM

but you still arent getting it though. an environment with a constant 100% humidity, for example, may eventually cause health issues with any snake including your BRB.

Kmef07 · 04-06-09, 10:59 AM

I don't know but i do know that most care sheets and most breeders that deal exclusively with BRB's do recommend 90-100% humidity all the time until they are 2 years old. and then to back off the humidity to 80-90% im just going off what i have read and seen with some pretty good breeders. and even to clear my snakes skin problem up i didn't lower the humidity i just reduced the amount of wetness on the substrate. so it was the wetness not the humidity that caused my snake to have a couple skin problems.

st3v3n · 04-06-09, 01:35 PM

brb do need high humidity

gonesnakee · 04-06-09, 01:45 PM

Captain Obvious strikes! LOL Mark

Chu'Wuti · 04-06-09, 04:07 PM

I just did a quick search on this out of curiosity and because it appears that "high" needs better definition, as 100% seems pretty extreme.

What I found in the 8 different online care sheets I read is that for adult specimens, the humidity apparently should be about 70-80% (some 70-75, some 75-80), while most sources I looked at said 95% for juveniles. No one stated that the humidity should be maintained at 100% even for neonates.

Perhaps most importantly, New England Reptile Distributors, designer Ball Pythons, Reticulated Pythons, and much more!

says:

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First off, let's establish "humidity" as the amount of moisture in the air. To provide your snake with a humidity level of 70% you have a couple of options

(bold added for emphasis)

One of the options the same source suggests is this:

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Make a "humidity box" for your snake. This consists of packing a plastic container with damp sphagnum moss (think well-wrung-out wash cloth to gauge moisture), cutting a hole in the top or side & placing it in your boa's enclosure so that it may access the box as it pleases.

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You want the enclosure to be humid, not WET and soggy.

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From Brazilian Rainbow Boa

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The substrate should remain slightly damp during most of the day, but should be nearly dry before being sprayed again.
If your snake is shedding properly, and there is a barely noticeable layer of condensation between the substrate and enclosure glass then you are probably within healthy limits. The bedding should never be soggy, and if this happens, replace it immediately to reduce the chance for medical complications.

From what I read, I couldn't agree with a claim that BRBs "flourish in 100% humidity," nor could I agree that "most" care guides recommend humidity above 80% except for neonates. However, it does appear to be true that a neonate should have 95% humidity, which is generally accomplished by keeping them in a plastic shoebox.

Correct information is important. This is why I always try to check sources and to ask questions of the more experienced snake-keepers here.

citysnakes · 04-06-09, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gonesnakee

Captain Obvious strikes! LOL Mark

hahaha!

Kmef07 · 04-06-09, 04:55 PM

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Captain Obvious strikes! LOL Mark

haha lol that is funny.

ok chu your right i will also say that 75-80% humidity is good for adults sorry i was not thinking i saw 80-90% but yes you are very right about the substrate not being soggy as i found out the hard way but the care sheets i believe do say 95+ for neonates and i interpret the "+" to be 100% because over 95 there isn't much more before 100.

And i will say for the 100th time that i am not experienced and i was mistaken when i thought that the substrate had to be always wet but then i found out that wasn't very good but the humidity does have to be very high for the species. i just want to stop argueing about this lol. hopefully before julian gets annoyed with me too much.

Chu'Wuti · 04-06-09, 09:20 PM

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i just want to stop argueing about this lol. hopefully before julian gets annoyed with me too much.

ROFLMAO!

OK!

We all have to gain experience somehow sometime. And at least you try to learn from others. What really gets the guys going is the people who bought a snake [last month/insert time], didn't try to find anything out about taking care of it, and then jump on here asking questions about why it's really sick (and it's usually too late, as it's often actually dying before they ask). arrrghgghgh