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Old 05-25-12, 10:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The sibs--jaguar siblings that is. ;)

It's about time we had a thread about jaguar sibling carpet pythons. There's a fair amount of debate about what kind of genetics these guys can carry. The jaguar gene itself is a co-dominant trait that is homozygous lethal. Therefore all the jags that are in the market are heterozygous for the trait and one would think siblings would be simply normal carpets. I have heard a bit about clutches from jaguar siblings having aberrant patterns or more frequent recurrence of the jaguar trait later on down bloodlines. I don't know if anyone has done any actual studies on this?

I have one jaguar sibling. He is 75% jungle and 25% coastal. His brother and clutchmate is Jigsaw, a famous aberrant jaguar from Mike Curtin of Scattershot Exotics. Mike and I are discussing a possible breeding loan to see what kind of interesting patterns my boy might carry. Mike's shown that some of the aberrancy is carried in the siblings- if they are later bred to a different jag, unusual patterns pop up.

I figured this thread would be a good place for us all to discuss jaguar siblings and our thoughts on them.


Here's my handsome boy, High Voltage:
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Old 05-25-12, 10:33 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: The sibs--jaguar siblings that is. ;)

And here is Jigsaw, Mike's awesome aberrant jag and Volt's brother:
Jaguar Carpets :: Jigsaw 1 picture by curtinherps - Photobucket
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Re: The sibs--jaguar siblings that is. ;)

Sorry, forgot to include this picture...it's the closest to Volt's actual colors. He is really really yellow, but the flash on cameras often washes him out a bit. This one was taken the day after a shed, so he's really glowing. I love this boy!!
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Re: The sibs--jaguar siblings that is. ;)

Imo they're the "mutts" of the carpet world

Some of them look better than others. I don't breed my snakies, so I can't really comment genetics wise.
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Imo they're the "mutts" of the carpet world

Some of them look better than others. I don't breed my snakies, so I can't really comment genetics wise.
with that thinking so are diamond jungles, still lovely animals and sought after.
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Re: The sibs--jaguar siblings that is. ;)

Personally I like sibs better then most jags They are definitely nicer then an integrade made without using the jag gene, IE a normal coastal. Volt is a crazy good looking snake regardless of the breeding potential, and personally I think should be worth more then most jags I see. I've always loved Mikes Ocelot jags, but none of them compare to Volt!
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Re: The sibs--jaguar siblings that is. ;)

I love the ocelot jags and a pic of them on this site drove me to picking up my little jag.
I love the sibs to. My labrododdle is a mutt , super smart and cute as can be. Sometimes the mutts are the best.
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Volt is one incredible snake!
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Re: The sibs--jaguar siblings that is. ;)

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It's about time we had a thread about jaguar sibling carpet pythons. There's a fair amount of debate about what kind of genetics these guys can carry. The jaguar gene itself is a co-dominant trait that is homozygous lethal. Therefore all the jags that are in the market are heterozygous for the trait Yes the Jags are the "visual" gets of the JAG gene and one would think siblings would be simply normal carpets Correct except they could be sub species matings depending on what was mixed in. I have heard a bit about clutches from jaguar siblings having aberrant patterns That would be from the polygenetic traits of carpet python sub-species or more frequent recurrence of the jaguar trait later on down bloodlines Don't know about this one... I wouldn't think so as the Jag gene is a co-dom trait, they either carry it or they don't as Jags are a "visual" heterozygous carrier . I don't know if anyone has done any actual studies on this?

I have one jaguar sibling. He is 75% jungle and 25% coastal. His brother and clutchmate is Jigsaw, a famous aberrant jaguar from Mike Curtin of Scattershot Exotics. Mike and I are discussing a possible breeding loan to see what kind of interesting patterns my boy might carry. Mike's shown that some of the aberrancy is carried in the siblings- if they are later bred to a different jag, unusual patterns pop up.

I figured this thread would be a good place for us all to discuss jaguar siblings and our thoughts on them.


Here's my handsome boy, High Voltage:
The Jag gene affects the pattern on Morelias... the more distinguished/aberrant the polygenic appearance is to begin with, the more drastic the effect of the JAG gene.

The main reason why every sub-species of Morelia spilota is "Jagged" these days... The lucky dip on the pattern. Here in the land of Morelias, there are some absolutely gob-smacking snakes being produce due to the abundance of genetic diversity. I am particularly fond of the Julatten JAGs, stunning crisp white snakes with JAG patterns.

There's a breeder here who is also working on adding the JAG gene to "tiger" jungles.... should be an interesting project.

Another one are caramel coastals and hypo bredlis that are now being used in JAG projects.
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Re: The sibs--jaguar siblings that is. ;)

I love Mike's Ocelot jags too! They're awesome!! I miss having a jag, and I'd like to own one again someday, but I would have to find one that didn't have much, if any, noticeable neuro issues.
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with that thinking so are diamond jungles, still lovely animals and sought after.
Wrong. With that thinking, diamond X jungles would be the equivalent of a labradoodle or something.
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with that thinking so are diamond jungles, still lovely animals and sought after.
^^^^^
as are.....

diamond jungle jags

carmel jags

carmel zebra's

zebra jags

and the list goes on................................................ ........

imo some of the best looking morelia out there are so called " MUTT'S "

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as are.....

diamond jungle jags

carmel jags

carmel zebra's

zebra jags

and the list goes on................................................ ........

imo some of the best looking morelia out there are so called " MUTT'S "

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Funny , I have both a jag and a labradoodle
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Re: The sibs--jaguar siblings that is. ;)

I'd shoot my grandma in the knee for Jigsaw.......that snake is jawdropping....

(my grandma is also dead, so hey its not hurtin her any)

Thank you for posting your sib pic! I've put ALOT of thought into picking up some high end siblings I've seen here and there, but you never really see people flailing around pictures of their "mutts" all grown up....so I never really get to see what any of the high end sibs turn out to be.
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