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Old 05-31-12, 10:02 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Re: Hognose venom "debate" over.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't bloomslangs carry both very potent venom and are rear fanged?
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boomslangs are a very primitive species...you cant even compare
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't bloomslangs carry both very potent venom and are rear fanged?
Yes, boomslangs are a rear fanged colubrid and they are highly venomous. The have very large, grooved rear fangs and a very efficient delivery system. They are one of the few colubrids that do not have to chew in order to inject its venom.

As deadly as they are, there have only been 6 or 7 deaths caused by the boomslang in over 55 years.
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Re: Hognose venom "debate" over.

I was comparing in response to another comparison, actually.
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Yes, boomslangs are a rear fanged colubrid and they are highly venomous. The have very large, grooved rear fangs and a very efficient delivery system. They are one of the few colubrids that do not have to chew in order to inject its venom.

As deadly as they are, there have only been 6 or 7 deaths caused by the boomslang in over 55 years.
That's what I thought.

Now are those few deaths from lack of bites, or a higher response rate/better treatment?
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Re: Hognose venom "debate" over.

I have sadly nothing Important to offer to this thread but thanks for all the information. I have been considering a Hognose and this thread has helped me with my decision.
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I have sadly nothing Important to offer to this thread but thanks for all the information. I have been considering a Hognose and this thread has helped me with my decision.
I wouldn't be too turned off from the "venom" debate, it's being highly exaggerated here for some reason. Hognose wouldn't be sold to young kids in expos where they strictly don't allow venomous if it were anything worth considering.

Congrats if you meant this thread turned you onto getting one, though!
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I wouldn't be too turned off from the "venom" debate, it's being highly exaggerated here for some reason. Hognose wouldn't be sold to young kids in expos where they strictly don't allow venomous if it were anything worth considering.

Congrats if you meant this thread turned you onto getting one, though!

I agree. Reactions to them are so rare.
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Re: Hognose venom "debate" over.

I've been to a few expos and seen more than one vendor encourage a kid, and a family with small kids to get a hognose.
Unfortunately, not everyone is out there for the benefit of the animals.

I don't really think the point has been exaggerated at all. My personal point, and the reason I posted, was not strictly for attention, but because I just flat out realized I should have been more attentive to my animal and that this is what can occur if I'm not...*and* in a worse case scenario...if I can't get him off me *lol*

The point that's interesting is they in fact do have actual venom. The point that's been debated, is "is it serious" and because it is not fast acting and particularly harmful to human adults, many wondered how it existed or what it was. I think this thread has had a lot of people explaining it in a way that will help many people reach an understanding that it exists, is real, and though is not deadly, can at least make your hand swell up in a worst case situation : ) OH, and it IS venom, and not a reaction from saliva. I guess that was the main misconception.

Hognose snakes are amazingly adorable animals. They'd rather Hiss, Flare, shake their tails, wiggle away, flip over and play dead, including even musking, sticking their tongues out, and can make their own mouths bleed to simulate a dead animal...than bite you.
However, everything needs some respect during feeding time!
Or at least, if your hands smell like food realize it may soon become feeding time *rolls eyes*

...FYI they like fish....lol
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Great post, Jaleely.
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That's what I thought.

Now are those few deaths from lack of bites, or a higher response rate/better treatment?
I would imagine it has a lot to do with the fact that the venom is very slow acting so there is a lot of time that can go by before treatment. It can take hours and hours before you have any symptoms.

Plus the boomslang is generally a reclusive snake.
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@jaleely I agree and that was post very informative. But as far as the "is it serious" debate goes, I'd say absolutely not, and my original post responding to Gungirl is really just a reflection of that.
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I was going to say gophers. Mine hasn't missed a single meal and has a crazy feed response. I actually have never heard of finiky colubrids?? Are mine strange? Seriously now not poking fun. I know indigos eat, bull snakes eat, pine snakes , ect. So other than hogs what else is finiky? Colubrids I mean.
Well, many colubrids can be very picky about what foods they prefer. We always want them to eat pinky rodents, but many prefer lizards, or even other baby snakes, for their first meals. I have had some corn snakes make me want to pull my hair out, trying to get them to eat their first meals. Some Eastern Kings can also be challenging to get them eating, and of course many N. American Milk snakes prefer lizards, so do Alterna, and Mexicana.

Jaleely, I wanted to thank you for posting this thread. I am still reading it, but have enjoyed, and learned from it. I have some Tri-colored Hoggies, some Giant Mad Hogs, and recently aquired a pair of Barons Racers, so Any info on rear fanged snakes is welcomed.
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