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Old 06-21-16, 08:40 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Cuddles the Woma Python

The rubbing and roaming alarmed me too at first but I got over it. Andy is right. She needs time to settle in and relax before handling her or making any more dramatic changes to her habitat.

They can handle surprisingly large prey. Ophelia was ready for bigger rodents before I was prepared to give them to her - her body looked large enough to accomodate them but that little tiny woma head didn't. It was fine. I gave her bigger rodents, she rubbed and scraped, but she always got them down and stared at me hoping for more.
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Old 06-22-16, 07:11 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Thank you for your input.
This is much different than the "armchair experience" I had this past year and so.
I suppose I'll come back with a report on the fuzzies come Sunday and the vet a week after. Ideally, she will down them without any input of my own and nothing will unusual will happen.
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She still scares me.
You're very welcome.

Vet? Is there a health problem present? Less is usually more when it comes to new acquisitions, so unless you KNOW something is wrong or you're dealing with a WC animal that requires treatment for parasites, you may want to save your money and avoid stressing her out with the unnecessary visit or that rubbing/settling in period that seems to have you concerned may last a bit longer. Some "exotic" vets will administer unnecessary prophylactic antibiotics/medications that can have adverse effects. She looks healthy, she has already eaten for you, and is acting quite normal from the sounds of things...the only irregularity I see here is that the breeder let her go without any feedings which is a very poor practice but thankfully wasn't an issue in this case...so I would definitely advise against the vet visit here...

Just my experience.

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Old 06-22-16, 08:14 AM   #18 (permalink)
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We talked a bit about this and he doesn't want to touch her unless necessary. He is visiting my place.
It sounds more like observation.
I'm not to worried as I found him through the local reptile rescue and their affiliates.
I'm not concerned on the cost of the visit either. To echo old adage, I'd prefer to err on the side of caution.
Concern is always welcome.
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We talked a bit about this and he doesn't want to touch her unless necessary. He is visiting my place.
It sounds more like observation.
I'm not to worried as I found him through the local reptile rescue and their affiliates.
I'm not concerned on the cost of the visit either. To echo old adage, I'd prefer to err on the side of caution.
Concern is always welcome.
Nothing wrong with being concerned and as time goes on and you become more experienced you'll learn when it's really warranted. That all sounds good, actually.
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Old 06-24-16, 10:07 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Not much has changed, except a new kind of behavior starting last night and now.
She is in my office and I am at the computer, the light somewhat going into her cage. It being off now. While I am fairly sure it is just her "periscoping" I turn around to see her creeping on me from time to time, or at least in my direction. Don't think I should make anything of it, but at least it is a new show in addition to the ledge climbing and balancing attempts.
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Old 06-25-16, 12:30 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Ophelia stalks me when she is hungry. She will wait behind her hide, watching me until I come within what she deems striking range. Then she flings herself at the glass with her mouth open (fun fact, their gums are black) and tries to swallow me. You have to admire her optimism.

She might be curious about you. Or hungry. Or both.
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Old 06-25-16, 09:02 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I notice that about her mouth. She was yawning the other day and it wasn't your standard pink.
Tomorrow she will be getting food. A fuzzy as previously suggested. We will see how well this plays out.
But I recall you mentioning your Woma striking at the glass. You haven't found some way to calm her down? I would think after repeated attempts to feed on you some injury would form.
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Old 06-25-16, 04:54 PM   #23 (permalink)
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We're doing tap training and that certainly does help. But she still sees opportunity when it's close to feeding time and she thinks I'm easy prey within easy reach. She has never hurt herself. She throws herself at the glass and gapes her mouth against it, trying to swallow. Thus far she hasn't damaged her face, though sometimes I do wonder how. When it's feeding day I avoid her until I'm actually bringing food. When she's full she regards me with more innocent curiosity and can be taken out (with a hook) without taking shots at me. Then she's a joy to handle.

The feeding response of womas is legendary. Yours may be mellower than mine. Keep her well fed, work on tap training and you'll be a step ahead.
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Old 06-25-16, 07:11 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Another thing to consider is that swallowing is a reflex and complicated action for all snakes. Any writhing and pushing is all part of the peristaltic motions involved in the reflex of swallowing.
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I warmed up a fuzzy for her and left it on a log. She came back at it twice and did nothing with it. It may be too big for her in that she was putting her face all over it, but went away. The lights were also on.
It is sitting there for a little bit, but I will consider removing it.
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Thoughts now?
Only has had two pinkies in her from Sunday and supposedly that is her first meal.
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Old 06-26-16, 08:54 PM   #26 (permalink)
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How warm was the fuzzy? If it was too hot or too cold (i.e., frozen inside) that could be it. I'd consider that first. Leave her alone with the fuzzy for a while. Maybe turn the lights off.
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I did that. It was defrosted for an hour (in bag, until pliable). Then I hit it with the the hair dryer for extra heat.
After the third attempt to come at it, she started do the rubbing on her face once more. Kind of makes me think she wanted to eat it, but thought it was too big. Just my thought.
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Hmmm. I guess try feeding 2 pinks and see if she takes them? If she does you know she was intimidated by the size of the fuzzy. In that case, she loses her fearsome predator woma card.
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Old 06-27-16, 06:24 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I was thinking about that. I have 3 or 4 pinkies left, do I will defrost some of those.
I am certain she will take them as she did the last two AND those were room temp. No additional heating.
Could it be possible she is used to not opening her jaw and I sort of conditioned her not to do that to eat?
I will recheck husbandry once home, but it hasn't changed.
High end: 90
Low end 79
Hot spot: 93 ish
Humidity: can't recall. Might have been 35 last I checked.
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That meal is not too big for the woma. Comparing it to the body thickness it looks right on...but sometimes they can be intimidated by larger meals for sure.
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