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Old 02-01-03, 05:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Pointless WAR!!

I am just wondering how many people feel the way I do on this forum. I am totally against this war on Iraq. It is not the right way to go. Why fight to achieve peace? Why Kill to achieve peace? is it even possible??? NO it's not. Ex. After WW2 was over . Did the Jews Go to Germany and slaughter millions of innocent Germans to get revenge? No they did not. So why is it right for George Bush to go to afghanistan and bomb and kill many innocent afghans? It's not fair. I am not saying that sep. 11 was not that bad. It was a terrible incident and should never have happened but still when you look at the jews we can compare numbers. Innocent people Slaughtered MILLIONS. Sept. 11 a couple thousand. And yet because a couple thousand people are killed the USA is going overseas and getting revenge. In my opinion the USA would look stronger and alot better to the rest of the world if they had stood there ground and offered peace to the afghans and apologised for past problems. Not GO OVER AND BOB THE HELL OUT OF THEM. I heard a quote the other day and it really hit me. it said "You Can Bomb The World Into Pieces...... But You Can't Bomb The World Into Peace." I think this is soooo true. You cannot achieve Peace with war. And You might say so what then should we do? I really don't know but Believe me I am trying to think of things. ANd I think Everybody should. Once you have a great opinion then VOICE it. People need to hear. I've written soo much now that I've confused myslef and I don't even know where I am at. To all you americans out there. I am not insulting you. Your country is great and I had just come back from living there for 3 months and I love (because I lived in Hawaii) But yeah. Americans are great people.all Races and cultures in this world are great people. I am just trying to get people to realize this. But I can't really do it alone. For all you canadians that agree with me. Please be a voice for our country. Join the peace rallies that have been going on. I think there is another one on Feb 15. and they are all across Canada. Sorry if this post was a little confusing. My Mind is all over the place and I have about 8000 ideas all over the place. But yeah. Thanks Alot for reading I hoped this message has changed you even a little.
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Old 02-01-03, 06:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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OKay .. i know i'm gonna get hazed for this.. but i was taught to speak what i belive.

I investigated this situation one night. Everybody try to remember what happened after 9/11. we all went after bin laden. Well .. then we forgot about him ... why? .. why didn't we finish the job?? .. well as this is goin gon Saddam let the weapons inspectors in and cooperated... the german (leader of the UN weapon inspection) i forget his name... said he is cooperating perfectly... ALL OF A SUDDEN "we have to go kill iraq" .. THEN saddam stopped cooperating.. he did NOTHING to instigate this attack .. IMHO he is a bad person .. but he didn't do **** to make us get into this war!! .. We are pissing off a lot of people!! I'm looking for the page tonight cause i lost it and i'm going to scan it to show you.. but there is a section in the Times where a reporter said "Why Iraq?" and this was George Bush's quote.... and i memorized this quote... "because he tried to kill my daddy." He is a ******.. Tony Blair is a ******... DAMNIT EVERYBODY IS A ******!!

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SSOOOOO FRICKEN TRUE Man. George Bush is not a very smart man. It's sad because look at all the countries he's bringing down with him.
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Wow, this is one thread that's going to lead into so many arguments...

Mike: You should watch some of the words you use, by calling people ******** you may be indirectly insulting someone else. "The limits of my vocabulary show the limits of my mind."

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Every single person that i mentioned in this thread is ********... I am sorry to those who took offense to that... ?

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No, that's not what I'm saying... I'm saying that the word is insulting, demeaning and improper. The people you're talking about aren't "********" they're incompetent.

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OHHHHHH!!! i'm sorry kate i missunderstood u .. yes you're right i appologize.
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Alright, no problem Mike! Just as long as you see what I mean.. Thanks

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i got myself into this once already. I'm just going to say that no i don't agree with this war.I don't believe it is solely motivated by the factthat Iraq has biological and nuclear weapons. And i don't agree with a lot of what Bush is saying and that we need more proof of what he is saying. Even Tony Blair, prime minister of England, said that more proof of what Bush is saying is needed for any type of atack and Blair wants UN support as wel. i still wish all of the luck in the world to the men and women who may or may not fight and die in it. I just feel that it is not solely our right to do what we are doing. we are one of if not the super power, but it doesn't mean we have to use that to get what we want when we want it. I've been doing so much thinking. We are as most others are in our minds a moral country. we want freedom and democracy for the people in other countries, we want them to be rid of an oppressive government,is that so wrong? no. but is it our job to give them that? History has shown that people find ways, people revolt and Iraq , if the people want it, will be changed. I just think that the United States does not need to do this for the Iraqi people. It would be different if we were asked for aid by these people.I also believe it says something when France,Germany,Russia , Japan and whoever else are all against this.i ddn't fuly express my idea here. I think I tried to be less offensive here now than in past posts.
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I say stop your crying... we the people elect our President, our leader, our protector... no one else makes that decision except for the PEOPLE... he does what is best for the nation, the people and for our future life... war is part of the way we live... its happened since the start of time and will remain till the end of time...if you believe in "world" peace then you have alot of hopeless wishing to do... there will never be such a thing... there is what. 2.5 billions minds all that think differently from one another...i say do what needs to be done for the good of the American people and for the United States of America..... God Bless America!
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Old 02-01-03, 11:08 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Have a little respect. its not crying. its debating. its thinking differently. Leaders of a nation do not always do what is best for a nation, that is displayed well thrughout history. they do what they believe is best for themselves and the nation. the people do not elect the president the electoral college does.the people, the common voter, try to get the elector to cast their vote according to the popular vote. A member of the electoral college may vote however they wish wheather or not it is the desire of the majority of the people. thats an on going debate in the US. many people want direct democracy and an end to the electoral college system. Yes i believe world peace is only a dream for the facts that one you have to have the opposite of everything to have said thing. love/hate etc. and also i believe at heart humans are a malicious race , however are evolved enough to control this. You say do what is for the good of the american people but the debate is wheather or not this is the best thing for the american people. some say yes, some say no. Its an impossible question to answer as everyone does have an opinion and no one person or governing body can truthfully claim that they are entirely correct. they would be claiming to be infallible then. nothing is infallible. once again in my opinion.
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I think this could be a very good thread. I know a lot of people have their OWN opinions on how they feel about A) The President B) Bin Laden C) Saddam and D) The war in a whole.. However we all must remember to respect one anothers thoughts. Lets not turn this into a flame war or start bickering with one another over individual thoughts, you never know, that same person that you are arguing with on the forums might just end up beside you in the line of fire. Anything is possible right now, the world is a not so stable place. Look at todays happenings for instance, first we have The Shuttle, 7 lives lost.. We also had an Avalanche today in Canada with another 6 lives lost. It seems like everytime you sit down to watch the news something else has happened. Personally, i am not for the war, but the thousands of Americans and Canadians who sign up for the Army every year are and to them i take my hat off.. They truley are couragious people. So basically all i wanted to say was lets all show eachother a little respect in this thread and not let it get out of hand, we will all be in this together when and if it goes down..

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I do completely agree Matt. The last post about this got way out of hand and insults were thrown around and accusatons made. lets not turn into politicians people. haha. small joke. very small.
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Ok there are some things wrong here. Since when would we represent the Jews if we compared todays conflicts with WW2? The Jews, then, would represent today's terrorized Iraqi people. What happened? The U.S. took control and stopped the genocide of the Jews in WW2 and likewise we should put a stop to the terror Iraq uses today. Even more so we could look at Japan. they, for your information, were far more harsh than the Germans were. Read about it. It was their plan to take over the world. The civilians whom the Japanese were killing could do nothing. It was only stopped when the U.S. was brought into it. And in both of these cases the ONLY thing that kept these countries from getting what they wanted was the U.S.. If you do not agree with this then you must be supporting what they did and what Iraq is doing now. Your comparison make no sense. Then you asked since when did dropping bombs create world peace. Well lets see. It took a lot of dropping bombs to stop Germany, and it took even bigger bombs to stop the Japanese. Because we dropped bombs on both of those countries and continued to do so, it finally ended the war and created peace. So it's not hard to see how dropping bomb can and has be proven to create peace. Both of you claims are bogus. Get over it or move to Iraq and see if you can write another email to us, here, that the U.S. should not get involved. Oh wait, ordinary peole can't you computers there. And don't complain or you be shot. Good Luck.
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Oh and you also think George Bush is not smart. Go do what he did as far as education is concerned. You would not even come close. He, whether you like it or not, is very smart, and that simply is not debatable.
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