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Old 01-27-03, 11:41 AM   #31 (permalink)
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hey Dunner, I can testify to the fact that I have seen on two occassions, a dog die from infection and blood clotting due to the ears being cropped. I am not too keen on the tails being done either, but I am guilty of that one so I can not be judgemental. As for the dewclaws being done, I agree with them being done because in the wild they are used for hunting and holding prey, but in captivity, the dew claws are not used, and I have seen countless cases of people bringing thier dogs in with dewclaws being torn or ripped just by simple snagging on furniture. They are very painful tears and the dogs can actually bleed to death if not sutured immediately.
I think you misunderstood me though with the temperment thing. My dogs if given the right chance would love to tear something four legged . I have cats, rats, mice, and countless other animals in my home, and these guys wouldnt dare touch them. In the streets running amuck on the other hand is a different story. They do have the fighting throw thier chest at everything attitude, but this is where I have control of them on a leash. And yes, they are well disciplined in that respect.
As for conformation of the bandogges, I have bred for the size, body and bone structure much like the staff, but in a bigger frame.
As for the temperment, I have bred for the gentle guardian that the neo is. Thier hips and eyes are great, no displaisia, no cherry eyes, no cleftpallets, and no bone deformaties. I have also found that 'pure'bred dogs, because of the breedings and lineages, for example dobies with heart defects, scipperkies (sp) for seizures, rotts for cancers and heart defects, shephards for displaisia,.etc. that with the cross of the staff and the neo, the line is stronger and not as defined as a 'pure' blood line would be.
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Old 01-27-03, 03:13 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Beth,

I fully agree with the points you have made.
i was not putting the blame on breeders or buyers, i just feel that with a strict enforcement on who can breed and who cant, there would be a better chance of having these dogs around in the future.
You arn't like most pit breeders, the many i have seen in the toronto area could care less about where there pups are going or whos buying them (or there health for that matter). and thats the reality. My opinion is based on the fact that there would be a greater control on whos doing what and whos going where if there was some sort of documentation for all of the breed.
right now there are plenty of pitts floating around with and without papers. and in most instances its the non-papered dogs causing the trouble and giving the rest a bad name.
Thats not to say that papered dogs dont fall into the wrong hands, because i have seen it first hand. But, with minimizing the breeding stock as well as the amount of unresponsible owners/sellers. the breed would be alot more well off.
i've seen pits being offered on downtown street corners for 50 bucks, others being offered in high crime neighbourhoods , i even stepped out of a club once and saw some guy trying to "chop" them to drunken couples.
if this was illegal. and the availability of dogs was minimized as well as the price raised, i really truly feel everyone would benefit.
and i think that there should be a system for controlling who actually owns these dogs as the discretion of most breeders just doesn't cut it.
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No offence taken Grant.....I do agree about the amount of unwanted or poorly housed dogs out there. I know for fact that my dogs would and could inflict some serious damage. Imagine a staff your dog's size, then multiply that. I pity the poor fool that ever decides to see if we have anything worth stealing in our home.
And you are correct about the breeders discretion in dog placement just doesn't cut it, but unfortuneately, even to the kennel clubs, money talks. As long as the owners are selling what they are representing, then they dont care. Even the local law enforcement have thier hands tied. All a person has to do is lie of the breed and he can have what ever he chooses.
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oh really it's a no win situation when it comes to dogs, as long as they are around their will be morons trying to cash in and look tough. there is no changing it..which is really unfortunate..the kennel clubs could really care less, they say they do but as long as they keep getting paid..and as for the un papered dogs doing most of the trouble, thats true, but in the world of professional dog fighting...and trust me thats a big world...your dog HAS to be registered with the ADBA..thats the reason the ADBA was founded, was to document the pedigrees of match dogs...all in all people breed for their reasons...i commend you on yours beth...if i sounded hostile at all, i wasn't intending to, i read my posts and felt i came off a little rude, i'm sorry, this is a conversation i would much rather have speaking, so much i want to say...but my poor fingers..anyways, we can all agree we have fine, beautiful animals..deal?
by the way, i love bandogges, have you ever been the molosser world website beth or grant? it's almost EVERY single mastiff a\nd bull breed dog from around the world, it's an amazing site. if you haven't seen it i'll get the web address for you, if you like these dogs it's a must. not a breeding site, just information and pictures
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hey Dunner, no problem.....when animal lovers are trying to stress a point of view, there are always raised voices. No harm done, youre human. Haven't seen that site, share if you can find it. And I agree about the ADBA and thier fighting. Here in BC they have the pitts fighting still and it really is a crying shame.

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is it just me or did this discussion end on a happy note? LOL
I too am interested in seeing this site, please pass it along.
And yes, we do have great animals.
Id give up all my snakes if it was a choice between the dog or snakes.
How are the laws out there in BC Beth? isn't there something going on there?
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Yes Grant, no fighting!! Imagine that....lol
The laws out here are few and far between for both the dogs and herps. There are a few municipalities that have dangerous dog laws rules and regulations, and the same goes for the herps. But all in all, if your animals are tended to, your neighbours are cool with things the way they are, then usually all is fine. There was an incident about a month ago of a girl in Vancouver that was mauled by two free roaming rottxpitts. She sustained some serious life threatening damage requiring many surgeries and permenant disfigurement, but in the end she was interviewed and said she doesn't blame the dogs but instead the owners for making them hungry enough to do such a thing,. In the end, the two dogs were destroyed and the owner is now being sued.
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www.moloss.com

it's a great site, there are no laws what so ever here regarding herps or dogs, which is good, actually sorry there is one small community that bans rottis and pits...but they're crazy out there anyways. and i don't think i have ever heard of a case of dog fighting on the island before. i know a guy in moncton new bunswick who travels all over the states fighting dogs. one good thing about the island is tohugh, i could probably count on 1 hand the amount of pit bulls that are on the island other than my dogs,
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